Arguing over a Sun Blade.


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Blackpawn wrote:

I see childlike mentality from you here, frankly. Apparently you have two people going "mine mine mine" over something dumb. You have two choices:

1) Realize it's a game, give up the item and move on. This lets you be the good guy, it restores sanity and positive party state.

2) Be selfish. Come up with 1000 valid reasons why it's yours and why you'll burn down creation, destroy the party, destroy the game, do anything you can do before giving it up.

You want option #2, which makes you just as culpable and actually more of a problem player than she is. You're trying to justify yourself while I see you as the problem here. And your fixation on justification and being "right" blinds you to everything else, including the fun of the game and the entertainment and fun that everyone is supposed to be having.

Just be glad that you're not sitting around my table, because I do not tolerate problem players and as DM I take steps to ensure that bad behavior does not go unpunished.

Really? The item was parsed out to the person who will use it the most, another player who isn't going to use it (probably at all) wants it, so the second person is throwing a fit, and the first one is being immature by telling the second no?

That's..... jeez, I'm not sure what to call that, aside from wrong. We probably wouldn't be having this problem around your table, you probably would have given us the time and facilities to properly gear up, but we didn't have the time or facilities, so guess what: it's causing a problem in the party, I'm trying to solve it without bugging the GM, and without giving in to the whims of an adult child. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.

The fact that I'm willing to ask others what I should do shows that I'm unprepared, which may imply a degree of immaturity in itself, but the fact that I'm willing to admit I'm not prepared, and willing to ask for help from others shows a far greater degree of maturity.

Or did all of that go over your head, because you were too busy calling people names?


Blue Star wrote:

Really? The item was parsed out to the person who will use it the most, another player who isn't going to use it (probably at all) wants it, so the second person is throwing a fit, and the first one is being immature by telling the second no?

That's..... jeez, I'm not sure what to call that, aside from wrong. We probably wouldn't be having this problem around your table, you probably would have given us the time and facilities to properly gear up, but we didn't have the time or facilities, so guess what: it's causing a problem in the party, I'm trying to solve it without bugging the GM, and without giving in to the whims of an adult child. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.

The fact that I'm willing to ask others what I should do shows that I'm unprepared, which may imply a degree of immaturity in itself, but the fact that I'm willing to admit I'm not prepared, and willing to ask for help from others shows a far greater degree of maturity.

Or did all of that go over your head, because you were too busy calling people names?

I just need to point out here that while yes people have called you a few minor names, at least they are doing it to you.

You continue to call the Oracle player names, here where (I assume) she has no idea.

Now I agree that people saying rude things to you is uncalled for, but on the other hand you could make your point just fine without doing it as well.


Thefurmonger wrote:

I just need to point out here that while yes people have called you a few minor names, at least they are doing it to you.

You continue to call the Oracle player names, here where (I assume) she has no idea.

Now I agree that people saying rude things to you is uncalled for, but on the other hand you could make your point just fine without doing it as well.

I've said much of this to her face already, it didn't have much effect, I'm trying to illustrate my point here, a point that a great number of people seem to be missing.


Blue Star wrote:
I've said much of this to her face already, it didn't have much effect, I'm trying to illustrate my point here, a point that a great number of people seem to be missing.

No we aren't, we got your point just fine "I want the sword because it makes me awesomesauce!11!" but you're using that as an excuse for childish behavior and ignoring any solution to the problem which requires that you act like a half decent human being.

Furthermore you've made it clear that you consider her character to be your healb+$&+ which is a terrible way to make somebody feel like playing with you.

And everything else you've mentioned not having (probably the best stuff you saw) put together might just barely be worth as much as the sword you insist on having and you state that at least half if not more of that goes to the summoner.

Also look at it this way what is more likely to result in your death not having the Sun sword or not having a healer because she refused to help you and then you murdered her?

Outside of all of that if this lady was really as crazy as you constantly claim she'd probably stab you in the eye in real life so have fun with that.


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Anyone else amazed that this is still going on?

300+ posts. Someone lock the thread, I can't help but read this train wreck!


Vuvu wrote:

Anyone else amazed that this is still going on?

300+ posts. Someone lock the thread, I can't help but read this train wreck!

+1, save reading it all. I could only get through the first page.

Sounds like an very un-fun situation.


.......

I'd like to point out

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracl e-mysteries/life

namely this part

Energy Body (Su): As a standard action, you can transform your body into pure life energy, resembling a golden-white fire elemental. In this form, you gain the elemental subtype and give off a warm, welcoming light that increases the light level within 10 feet by one step, up to normal light. Any undead creature striking you with its body or a handheld weapon deals normal damage, but at the same time the attacker takes 1d6 points of positive energy damage + 1 point per oracle level. Creatures wielding melee weapons with reach are not subject to this damage if they attack you. If you grapple or attack an undead creature using unarmed strikes or natural weapons, you may deal this damage in place of the normal damage for the attack. Once per round, if you pass through a living allied creature’s square or the ally passes through your square, it heals 1d6 hit points + 1 per oracle level. You may use this ability to heal yourself as a move action. You choose whether or not to heal a creature when it passes through your space. You may return to your normal form as a free action. You may remain in energy body form for a number of rounds per day equal to your oracle level.

that is all.

gauntlet of rust............


Vuvu wrote:

Anyone else amazed that this is still going on?

300+ posts. Someone lock the thread, I can't help but read this train wreck!

+2

I've read it from the beginning and its more annoying.

and I Hate Sunblades.
against undead, undead bane and disruption are better than the sunblade as weapons....... though maybe not so much in the case of vampires.


Steelfiredragon wrote:
gauntlet of rust............

I'm not sure where you are going with this, fire isn't a ferrous material.

@Pain in the Backside: A DC 15 fort save or die is better? Sure, they'll fail it eventually, but they would probably be nearly dead, or already dead, if they had been hit using a sun blade. I'd rather not rely on the GM rolling poorly, I've seen nights where the GM's dice are on fire, and we only survived because our dice were pretty hot as well.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, usually I avoid these table problems threads as they end up like this one. The original poster claims nothing can be done to solve the problem and any advice is not applicable or stupid. This one has followed the pattern.

It would be so easy to go to the DM to get this fixed. Next fight something(s) cool drops for the oracle. Boom problem solved. These things don'e even need to add up to the sword. Circlet of Cha (better than her current one if she has one), phylactery of positive channeling, a wand with a clerical boom spell are some good suggestions. There are other options. Mace of disruption dedicated to the Sun god. At 12th level it will rarely work but she will feel cool for having it. Give it a good bonus. The DM really does not even have to give out one super treasure item. Give her several lesser items that add up to being good. Have the angel come back and give her this stuff and make clear that you can use the sun blade.

Blue, I really think you are at an impasse and need to get the DM involved. I really do not understand your reticence to involve her. She must be cringing at this too. Get the summoner involved so he can talk about how the whole thing bothers him.

And as I have to say it every post...otherwise Rocks Fall (tm).


karkon wrote:


And as I have to say it every post...otherwise Rocks Fall (tm).

When did Rocks Fall get trademarked?


Blue Star wrote:
She has a child's mentality, when she sees something shiny, she declares "mine", and doesn't give up until she possesses it.

That's what I keep bringing up: She throws a fit until she gets her way, no matter what the circumstances. You just don't encourage this sort of behaviour in any way. In a child, you remain firm because they need to learn that you can't always get what you want, no matter how loudly, long, and hard you cry.

In a 40+ woman, that ship has obviously sailed. You won't teach such an old dog new tricks. But neither do you give in.

There is a German proverb that could be translated as "The smarter person relents". Never liked it. It just means the dumber person gets its way. Decisions should be made based on reasonable facts and for good reasons, not to appease a screaming child. Show them it works and they'll look just how far it will go.

You think you give her the sword to shut her up? Pretend (or even believe) that just because she worships the sun goddess, the sun sword is hers?

Next up: A greedy champion of the god of commerce. All money should go to that champion, because he's the money guy! It all makes sense, and if you don't agree, prepare for a tantrum. Last time it worked after months, so she knows she'll just have to try for a few months and finally everything will be hers. Alternative: Cleric/wizard of the god of magic. All magic items are hers. I'm sure you can see the pattern.


Why don't you just ask the GM to place a second sun blade in loot somewhere, and you'll give up all the other expensive weapons you have, up to the cost of a sunblade.

That would end this idiotic argument.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

The way we've always played it, unless an item was provided by the DM for story or background reasons for a specific character, we divied up gear based on use, then want.

I've had people in MMOs do this, roll "need" on an item just becasue they think it looks pretty, when it was an upgrade for another person in the group or raid. Those people are usually ostracized, and in one case I was involved in, was made to issue a CS ticket to have the "bind on equip" item reset to my character, and then was kicked out of our guild. I know this is a TTRPG and not an MMO, but douche baggery is douche baggery.

The RP reason here would hold alot more water if the weapon were a scimitar, instead of the herp derp that it has the word "sun" in it.
I have no idea, why at the time this first happened, everyone at the table didn't jsut say "seriously? He's the meleer, better luck next time" and be done with it. It should never have gotten to this point, and frankly the entire table is at fault.

Silver Crusade

Cheapy wrote:

Why don't you just ask the GM to place a second sun blade in loot somewhere, and you'll give up all the other expensive weapons you have, up to the cost of a sunblade.

That would end this idiotic argument.

Like... this. This. Arguing about who gets what in a treasure shouldn't take more than 15 minutes, and this is if there are several people who want the same item.


Several really good ideas have been mentioned, like the idea to get a commune spell, which is only hampered by our lack of access to it.

Another one was not arguing with her, simply putting my foot down, and ignoring her instead of talking it out, but I want to try talking it out first.

Telling her that I also worship a sun god and that I'm tired of her disrespecting that.

A spectacularly bad one (for roleplaying reasons) is giving the oracle the sword and letting her die, as it's literally not something my character would do, not when I could casually steal the sword back, and save her life.

I could also call her out on not respecting her OWN GOD's will, using what SteelfireDragon said about her pissing of Sarenrae for threatening to stop healing me.

Asking the GM is also an option, but I'm being stupidly stubborn, and wanting to try solving this in-game.

Putting it up to a player vote.

The GM is a guy, yes it's not one of the ideas, but it's a point I have to make....for some reason.

Telling her that I'll give her the sword when everything is done, was brought up, and I did try it, but she is still asking for it, which is why I think many of these other things won't work, but I'm going to try them anyway.


Kryzbyn wrote:

The way we've always played it, unless an item was provided by the DM for story or background reasons for a specific character, we divied up gear based on use, then want.

I've had people in MMOs do this, roll "need" on an item just becasue they think it looks pretty, when it was an upgrade for another person in the group or raid. Those people are usually ostracized, and in one case I was involved in, was made to issue a CS ticket to have the "bind on equip" item reset to my character, and then was kicked out of our guild. I know this is a TTRPG and not an MMO, but douche baggery is douche baggery.

The RP reason here would hold alot more water if the weapon were a scimitar, instead of the herp derp that it has the word "sun" in it.
I have no idea, why at the time this first happened, everyone at the table didn't jsut say "seriously? He's the meleer, better luck next time" and be done with it. It should never have gotten to this point, and frankly the entire table is at fault.

It would have worked better if the ninja gave up all his other gear to get the sunblade because it was worth at least double what everyone else got. Need before greed works great in mmo's because the people who play them can just repeatedly kill the same mob until everyone who wants it gets the item that isn't an option in Pathfinder particularly when the DM is being stingy about magic items.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Also, if she really wants to go the RP route...I dunno of any adventuring group that would willingly allow a healer that doesn't heal to remain with them...in character, tell her everyone plays a part in a group, you fight things, she heals. If you won;t fight, they will replace you, and if she doesn't heal, you'll find someone that will.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
gnomersy wrote:
It would have worked better if the ninja gave up all his other gear to get the sunblade because it was worth at least double what everyone else got. Need before greed works great in mmo's because the people who play them can just repeatedly kill the same mob until everyone who wants it gets the item that isn't an option in Pathfinder particularly when the DM is being stingy about magic items.

If you read what I wrote, I'm not saying need before greed works in a TTRPG, but the behavior itself is still douche baggery. Is the oracle concerned she did not recieve an item of a certain monetary value? No, she wants it becasue it has the word sun in it.

So I don't think him giving up other gear, or offering to buy it would matter.


gnomersy wrote:
It would have worked better if the ninja gave up all his other gear to get the sunblade because it was worth at least double what everyone else got. Need before greed works great in mmo's because the people who play them can just repeatedly kill the same mob until everyone who wants it gets the item that isn't an option in Pathfinder particularly when the DM is being stingy about magic items.

Not for a lack of trying. No one wanted the boots, which was mind-boggling, no one wanted the ax, everyone already has a hat of some kind so no one wanted the headband, nobody wanted the gauntlets, and the amulet is a gift from a freaking(!) Pharaoh, who gave it to us WELL AFTER we got the sword, and I'm not sharing it, because that would be disrespectful to my current employer.

I suppose the Barbarian may have wanted the boots, but he never showed any interest in it, and he's gone now anyway, so they would default back to me.

The only thing I have that ANYONE wants is the Sun Blade and the oracle is the only one that wants it.


Actually, I'm gonna flip the script here, and suggest that maybe you should just give the sun sword to the oracle. Consider this: If this is going to be an issue, and it's causing strife (which it obviously is), isn't it just better to give her the sun sword and be done with it?

Maybe I'm too alarmist here, but it sounds like it's bad enough for her character (or her player) to leave the group. If that happens, you're short a healer, and no amount of awesomness that you get with that sword will make up for it.

How much is this sword worth to you? Is the principle of the issue more important than the group?


When she says that she wants the sun blade, what she really means is that she wants to develop a relationship. Oh yeah... you know what I'm talking about!

Take her out to dinner... wine her and dine her. Get to know the real oracle in her! Woo her, man! Woo her like she's never been wooed before!

And if that doesn't work, backstab her character and take all of her stuff! What on earth are you doing with a Ninja that's Neutral Good, anyway?

When she cries about it, just remind her that she ought to be happy that she got a free dinner out of you... hateful little harpy!


you know... I was wondering did she say she wanted the weapon when the paladin died???

if hte player was there and said no she didn't than she had her chance.

if she wasn't than she heard it from someone at the table.

if she said NO at the time, than she can't go back on that.

if she heard it at the table that it was a paladin's weapon and its a sunblade...

either way she still has no legit claim and is trying to get it the annoying way. aka a spoiled rich kid who has to have her way.

at this point, I don't think trying to solve it yourself is going to work to matter what advice comes up.
you're going to have to talk with the dm and either:
a: have a sunblade scimitar dropped in loot
b: switch the weapon out into some waikisaki for you with enchantments tailored to his game.
c: take the weapon away
d: TPK
e: force one or both of you to write up NEW characters more fitting to the gear both of you use currently.
f: screw the oracle over so that the sunblade has to be thrusted into some bbeg to keep him/her/it dead and removing the weapon from its new sheath would curse the one who does until the body has naturally decoomposed.
g: drop nice oracle stuff


I'm apologize for this in advance but I need to say it again.

IN CHARACTER ACTIONS WILL NEVER SOLVE OUT OF CHARACTER PROBLEMS

Seriously, the whole, "I'll just say I worship a sun god also" and "You are disrespecting your god" and whatever other meaningless garbage is not going to solve the problem. The worst is, "My character wouldn't let her use it and get herself killed, but my character would totally kill her character if she didn't heal mine, and that will teach her."

Dude, if you don't want to game with her, STOP GAMING WITH HER. Stop all the passive-aggressive bull. "But we need a healer and a fourth player" Again, bull, hire a cleric, buy some healing wands. Can't because the GM has you on the rails with some [EVIL] geas or die crap, find a cleric of a chaotic good deity and get that crap removed. GM won't go along, drop the GM. 1 ok GM and 2 good players is a hell of a lot better than 1 horrible GM and 3 good players and 1 intolerable player.

Pull the band-aid off already. Killing her character in game so you can hopefully upset her enough to not come back it immature in the extreme.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
Ghenn wrote:


How much is this sword worth to you? Is the principle of the issue more important than the group?

If this is an issue of principle, should it be the character who can benefit most should use it, or whine enough and get what you want for an assinine RP reason? How much does the whiner care about party cohesion at this point?


Blue Star wrote:

Not for a lack of trying. No one wanted the boots, which was mind-boggling, no one wanted the ax, everyone already has a hat of some kind so no one wanted the headband, nobody wanted the gauntlets, and the amulet is a gift from a freaking(!) Pharaoh, who gave it to us WELL AFTER we got the sword, and I'm not sharing it, because that would be disrespectful to my current employer.

I suppose the Barbarian may have wanted the boots, but he never showed any interest in it, and he's gone now anyway, so they would default back to me.

The only thing I have that ANYONE wants is the Sun Blade and the oracle is the only one that wants it.

To be honest a big part of the problem is your DM his loot allocation seems to be way on the side of melee gear and he doesn't give you the option to sell anything so nobody will take surplus goods in exchange for loot.

But on the other hand as long as somebody was adventuring with you and doing their job it gives them a choice at an equal part of the loot regardless of who would get the best use out of it. If two people want the same item they discuss it, if they can't come to an agreement they then roll off and that's the end of that.

Rather than just skip to random chance because you refuse to give up the item you've dragged the argument out which is far worse imo.


Enthallo wrote:

When she says that she wants the sun blade, what she really means is that she wants to develop a relationship. Oh yeah... you know what I'm talking about!

Take her out to dinner... wine her and dine her. Get to know the real oracle in her! Woo her, man! Woo her like she's never been wooed before!

And if that doesn't work, backstab her character and take all of her stuff! What on earth are you doing with a Ninja that's Neutral Good, anyway?

When she cries about it, just remind her that she ought to be happy that she got a free dinner out of you... hateful little harpy!

I think I just puked in my mouth a little. Admittedly, if she weren't basically the opposite of my type I might be willing to fake it.

You've never heard of the bodyguard ninja?

@Ghenn:We would survive without her, I'd be using the old standby of "put everyone in the portable hole and run past the bad guys", since I can run through most walls (some of the places here are warded), it shouldn't be too hard assuming we don't run into another room like the one with the Super Mummies.

@Steelfiredragon:She said it when it first dropped, she said it again when he died, she said it again when the samurai died, and she's said it several other times in between all of those.The player disappeared 2 weeks before his character died. We haven't seen him since.

She was there when we got it from the Angel, she knows it's technically party loot, and it doesn't belong to any one person.My character works pretty much ideally with the gear I have. She would have to do a major rewrite to get good enough to merit using the sword. I honestly don't think making oracle stuff drop for her will shut her up about it.

@Kryzbn:You have a point, the party cohesion is already wrecked if she actually said she wouldn't heal me in-character.


Blue Star wrote:

Really? The item was parsed out to the person who will use it the most, another player who isn't going to use it (probably at all) wants it, so the second person is throwing a fit, and the first one is being immature by telling the second no?

That's..... jeez, I'm not sure what to call that, aside from wrong. We probably wouldn't be having this problem around your table, you probably would have given us the time and facilities to properly gear up, but we didn't have the time or facilities, so guess what: it's causing a problem in the party, I'm trying to solve it without bugging the GM, and without giving in to the whims of an adult child. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.

The fact that I'm willing to ask others what I should do shows that I'm unprepared, which may imply a degree of immaturity in itself, but the fact that I'm willing to admit I'm not prepared, and willing to ask for help from others shows a far greater degree of maturity.

Or did all of that go over your head, because you were too busy calling people names?

You're causing the disruption at the table. It's in your power to escalate the situation or defuse it. You want to choose escalate. That means *you* are the problem.

You need to step back, gain a mature perspective, and realize that you're playing an imagination game.

Learn that the joy of gaming is the shared experience between people. Learn that it's about interaction, fun, adventure, and imagination. And it's most certainly not about you getting the most AWESUM LEWTS OMG that you supposedly "deserve".

You have the choice. Be the adult and focus on the game. Or be the child and throw a tantrum and break things if you don't get your way.

And remember....gaming is not about an imaginary person having an imaginary item that is incrementally more effective than a different imaginary item. It's about the shared journey and the collective experience you have with your fellow gamers. You've either lost track of that, or you've never had it.


Blackpawn wrote:

You're causing the disruption at the table. It's in your power to escalate the situation or defuse it. You want to choose escalate. That means *you* are the problem.

You need to step back, gain a mature perspective, and realize that you're playing an imagination game.

Learn that the joy of gaming is the shared experience between people. Learn that it's about interaction, fun, adventure, and imagination. And it's most certainly not about you getting the most AWESUM LEWTS OMG that you supposedly "deserve".

You have the choice. Be the adult and focus on the game. Or be the child and throw a tantrum and break things if you don't get your way.

And remember....gaming is not about an imaginary person having an imaginary item that is incrementally more effective than a different imaginary item. It's about the shared journey and the collective experience you have with your fellow gamers. You've either lost track of that, or you've never had it.

I don't want to escalate, she already escalated it, I am merely responding. Does that mean I am still the problem? No, I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

I never said I deserve the weapon, I said I was the one who can make the most use of it, ergo (logically speaking, because none of our characters wants to die) I should use it, until we find a better user.

I'm also not the one throwing a tantrum, she is, I'm trying to find out how I can get her to calm down.

I'm all about the journey, I'm not the one who started this, I'm just trying to end it without ending the game, without any hurt feelings, and without any bloodshed between players...... aside from every time the barbarian gets mind controlled or possessed, thankfully we managed to talk him out of being possessed. I'm still not sure how that worked to be honest.

Silver Crusade

Kill her. Her character, at least. You're a ninja, and a ninja cannot be roleplay-wise framed for murder, since no one can witness a ninja. Ultimate Combat is pretty clear on this topic.*

*Further reference needed

Silver Crusade

gnomersy wrote:
When did Rocks Fall get trademarked?

I have it trademarked for the purpose of this thread. Also to avoid brand confusion I have shortened it to rock fall. I think to further protect my trademark I will also use unique spelling and copyright it.

Wrakz Fall (tm) (c)


Maxximilius wrote:

Kill her. Her character, at least. You're a ninja, and a ninja cannot be roleplay-wise framed for murder, since no one can witness a ninja. Ultimate Combat is pretty clear on this topic.*

*Further reference needed

I don't have that ability yet. I probably will never have that ability, due to taking a level of ranger.


karkon wrote:


Second, that sounds like a terrible idea.

Finally, go to the DM, Blue. It is the only way. Well that or Wrakz Fall (tm) (c)

I dunno random chance and giving up the sword would also solve it but since those aren't options for Blue I suppose it is DM or end the game.

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I removed a sexist post, the replies to it, and an unrelated blatant threadcrap.


gnomersy wrote:
I dunno random chance and giving up the sword would also solve it but since those aren't options for Blue I suppose it is DM or end the game.

Or I could try all the other ideas I have received over the last few days?


Blue Star wrote:
Or I could try all the other ideas I have received over the last few days?

None of which are actual solutions.

Lets see:

Ignore her - Solves nothing probably results in TPK when she doesn't heal you.

Changing your diety - Even if the DM allowed it, it would be pretty obvious you did it and she probably wouldn't stop.

Telling her that it's an affront to her god - Would be half assed and wouldn't stop it particularly since as a character Oracles don't need to obey their gods.

Murder her/Rocks Fall - Ends the game which you don't want

Ask the DM - One of the two options I gave you

Randomize - One of the two options I gave you

Commune with her god - Is asking the DM for starters and you don't have the spell anyways.

Oh and have sex with her - Just wrong and not a solution.

That roughly sums up the majority of the suggestions in the thread.

Silver Crusade

Ok, I have had two posts removed in this thread. I have never had any removed before. So time to eject.

Next person to post can own: Wrackz Fall (tm) (c)

Silver Crusade

Ross Byers wrote:
I removed [...] an unrelated blatant threadcrap.

Sorry about this, I'll try to be more mature next time.


gnomersy wrote:

None of which are actual solutions.

Lets see:

Ignore her - Solves nothing probably results in TPK when she doesn't heal you.

Changing your diety - Even if the DM allowed it, it would be pretty obvious you did it and she probably wouldn't stop.

Telling her that it's an affront to her god - Would be half assed and wouldn't stop it particularly since as a character Oracles don't need to obey their gods.

Murder her/Rocks Fall - Ends the game which you don't want

Ask the DM - One of the two options I gave you

Randomize - One of the two options I gave you

Commune with her god - Is asking the DM for starters and you don't have the spell anyways.

Oh and have sex with her - Just wrong and not a solution.

That roughly sums up the majority of the suggestions in the thread.

It wouldn't be changing my deity, it would be electing one (finally), I don't have a god. If I ignored her, she wouldn't heal me, my character would bail out of that fight, the summoner would leave his eidolon to die, then we'd go find a more cooperative healer.

There is another thought: she's keeping us from completing the quest, which means her Geass should be triggering it's kill switch, and I'm not going to bring her back this time. The only item of hers I'd keep would be the cloak, depending on the eidolon's saves, I might just give it to the eidolon.


Blue Star wrote:

It wouldn't be changing my deity, it would be electing one (finally), I don't have a god. If I ignored her, she wouldn't heal me, my character would bail out of that fight, the summoner would leave his eidolon to die, then we'd go find a more cooperative healer.

There is another thought: she's keeping us from completing the quest, which means her Geass should be triggering it's kill switch, and I'm not going to bring her back this time.

As I understand it the geas doesn't give you the option to leave the path to the quest therefore no new healer thus death. Also you're closer to the enemy than she is why would you manage to escape when she doesn't?

And again the kill switch is DM intervention, stop being intentionally ignorant.


gnomersy wrote:

As I understand it the geas doesn't give you the option to leave the path to the quest therefore no new healer thus death. Also you're closer to the enemy than she is why would you manage to escape when she doesn't?

And again the kill switch is DM intervention, stop being intentionally ignorant.

2 Ki points: no action (as far as I can tell)forgotten trick: Crane Wing. 1 Ki point: swift action Vanishing trick. 1 ki point:standard action Shadow Clones. Run away move action. Takes me one round and I am so far gone it's not even funny.

True, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't trigger sometime soon.


The GM should be handling this issue:
1. The oracle's player, assuming what you have said is true regarding her threats, should be taken aside and spoken with by the GM - as should you, regardless of when you returned any threat she offered (IF you did; if you didn't, then skip this step).
2. If the loot you have isn't appropriate, or the party's for that matter, the GM should take action to remove the offending items within the scope of feasibility and/or grant additional loot to those who are lacking. Alternatively, he could have all of you captured (cliche, I know, but go with what works and requires the least effort), your gear removed and sold off, and you gather up replacements appropriate to your circumstance as you escape and return to the primary mission.
3. If your GM doesn't have the "dice" to handle the matter, you'll just have to suck it up if you're not willing to just quit. Seeing something like this through is rather pointless if it's not fun.


Blue Star wrote:


Asking the GM is also an option, but I'm being stupidly stubborn, and wanting to try solving this in-game.

This is part of the problem

This stopped being an in-game issue months ago. You don't solve out of character issues in character. Suck up your pride, admit that there is nothing you can do to resolve this, and bump the issue up the food chain.


To those of you saying the GM should handle it: let's be fair, ideally this issue should have never came up, someone building a healer, should set themselves up to do more than just heal, in order to keep themselves from being bored. From his perspective: he's put in enough equipment to make everyone happy, at least in theory, putting in more equipment, just because one player wants moar, probably isn't going to settle the issue.

We are all adults..... even the teenagers, as such we should be able to handle this amongst ourselves, without intervention from on high. Ironically the oldest person (who is also not the GM, as he's pretty old) is also the least mature, and she's throwing a fit over a bit of bling that is actually pretty critical for us getting out of this alive. Which that item being important was how it was planned. What wasn't planned was the group's healer hopping off the rails.

The only thing the GM has done wrong is to not squelch her every time she asked for the weapon and nor should he have to.

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