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The UEFA Euro2012 Discussion Thread


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Cheliax

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As a Dane I probably should be cheering for Denmark. But, go England!


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I'm a supporter of Germany - so I really really hope they can show that fantastic soccer that they've showed for most of the 2010 World Cup. I'm all in favor of actually winning the tourney - but I'll be satisfied with 4 or so great games.

Germany pretty much always has performed quite well at tournaments overall (if you willing to look beyond just 1st place), but 1996 to 2002 (inclusive) I thought that their play was not a joy to watch. Even though they got some titles and 2nd/3rd places in that time frame.

Qadira

W E Ray wrote:
Yes, neither Messi nor RVP would be nearly as good without say, Fabregas, behind them -- but how much will the teams with only Xavi or Ozil or Fabregas fair without the mega-star strikers?!?

Well, remember World Championship 2010. The only striker considered the superstar of his team AND actually being successful was Uruguay's Diego Forlan. Spain had Xavi and Iniesta, Germany had Ozil and Schweinsteiger, the Netherlands had Wesley Snejder. And, on the other hand, what about Messi, Rooney and Christiano Ronaldo? Well, they went down with their teams.

But I don't want to take away anything from those players. They're all great strikers. But the time when a single player could regularly decide a game are over, it's the best teams who win. Which, in my opinion, makes players like Xavi, who can organize their team, much more valuable.

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he is NOT like the quarterback in American football.

I only tried to underline how important those players are for their teams. As far as I understand (and I'm european, so I won't even pretend to understand anything about american football), a quarterback is his team' most important player. And I think the same goes for Xavi-like player types.

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I was really hoping Podolsky would be a great 2nd Forward for us -- well, I still am, obviously.

Maybe. It's just that I doubt his character (when playing for Bayern Munich, he wasn't only awful, he didn't even seem to try) and that I don't think that he can hold his own in teams with speed and fluidness (like our national team). And , well, I love Arsenal's style (even when they beat my favorite team Borussia Dortmund in last year's CL) just for that reason, so I really have problems to imagine Podolski being part of Arsenal. Though I also can't imagine Arsène Wenger suddenly being brain-dead, so maybe there's still hope. ^^

Grand Lodge

@ the Wormsy Queue,

Actually, I was thinking about that Xavi vs Messi - position importance argument a bit and I think another good example to look at is the Uruguayan National Team. Two mega-star Strikers and mediocre (at least at this level) Mid Fielders.

And look what they did at the World Cup AND the South American "Cup?" 8 months ago....!

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No biggie on the American QB comparison -- I looked at it quite a bit for a good year before coming to the conclusion. In American football the QB is far, FAR more important than, most American sports fans would say, any other team-sports position.

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Hopefully!

Grand Lodge

Man, the US side actually looked solid for parts (only parts) of our game vs Brasil -- we were better than the 4-1 whooping it looked like we took.


More animated history: Spain.

Featuring (if I didn't mishear) a trumpet playing a bit of Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez (featured prominently in the world's best movie about a colliery band - Brassed Off - but also covered by Miles Davis [as Skeches of Spain]) and the third of the three fascist stooges - General Franco.

Grand Lodge

@ Wormy's Queue,

I'm curious as to how folks in particular -- and you specifically -- feel about their star players leaving for bigger Clubs.

As a Borussia Dortmund fan, do you Hate Tomas Rosicky for leaving for Arsenal or do you understand and support him?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting Subscriber

Depends on the circumstances.

A friend of mine talked about this once. He is a Barnsley fan and once he attended a game where a long time player and terrace hero came back for his first game back at Barnsley after being transferred. He was applauded warmly when his name was announced and then loudly booed for the rest of the match. The message was thank you for your service now you are the enemy.

A lot of the reaction depends on who they transferred from and to and how they did it. If there was no particular antipathy between the two teams (say Bolton to Chelsea) then there would not be much of a reaction. On the other hand if there is an intense rivalry (say Spurs to Arsenal) they will get abuse for it. Sol Campbell got some horrific stuff thrown his way purely because he moved from Spurs to Arsenal in the past.

It's one of the nastier sides of football frankly.

Grand Lodge

FallofCamelot wrote:
He was applauded warmly when his name was announced and then loudly booed for the rest of the match.

This is how we are in most cases for American sports. If a Mikel Arteta left an Everton for an Arsenal or a Fabregas left an Arsenal for a Barcelona, the American fans would cheer for a moment as their former player entered the stadium and then Booo the rest of the game.

Of course, like you alluded, this is when a player leaves an Everton for an Arsenal or an Arsenal for a Barcelona. It's a WHOLE 'NOTHER thing when a player leaves an Arsenal for a Tottenham or a Barcelona for a Real Madrid.

For me -- as a new Arsenal fan and an American outside of football culture -- what Fabregas did was both understandable and forgivable. Nasri, Kolo Toure and Cole on the other hand -- not so forgivable. (Although the latter two happened before my time so I don't know much what really happened -- though I know we Booo Cole like the devil.


Today: Jedward!


My car is now properly dressed for the Euro
sideview

password Aeglos


Animated history: Italy.

...don't mention the bookies.

Grand Lodge

Keep 'em coming, Kajehase.

(What does "Kajehase" mean?)


Don't mind if I do: Germany. Yes, there's a mention or two of knocking out England on penalties.

Karl Jesper Haglund (my name) It's the handle I used on some now-defunct Swedish football-forum where the user-names had to be eight characters long. Realising I needed another two characters, I added the "se" at the end because... I can't remember...


aeglos wrote:

My car is now properly dressed for the Euro

sideview

password Aeglos

Need more cowbell. Or perhaps not, seeing as it's not an alpine skiing competition or a summer-oriented house track. ;)


And aujourd'hui, la Belle France and their comedy head butters.


Anyone happens to come to Poland for Euro? Visit Krakow by their way, perhaps?

And question for everyone, what is the shortest joke in Poland about soccer?

Spoiler:
Polska Gola! ("Goal, Poland")

Grand Lodge

Hey Drejk,

How AWESOME would it be if Sczeszny scored a goal for Poland?!?!?!?!?!

Wojo is, of course, the greatest of the Pols in football (followed closely by Fabianski).


*strolls into thread in underpants*

whistles "54,74,90,...."

*puts on white socks with black rings*

whistles: "eine Liebe die nie endet"

*puts on black shorts with white eagle crest*

whistles: "wir sind schon übern Brenner"

*puts on white national jersey with black eagle crest, black rims, black-red-gold stripes and of course 3 stars*

whistles: "three lio....ups, wrong song whistles: "Fußball ist immer noch wichtig"

*ties black-red-gold scarfs to both arms*

whistles: "schwarz und weiß, wir stehn auf deiner seite"

*puts on comedic plastic Pickelhaube in black-red-gold*

whistles: "gute freunde kann niemand trennen"

*paints face black-red-gold*

sings: "Fußball ist unser Leben"

*waves black-red-gold flag*

"Ha-Ho-Heja-Heja-He; Ha-Ho-Heja-Heja-He"

LET THE GAMES BEGIN


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best wishes to the people in poland and the Ukraine.

May everything be peacefull and may you have the great experience we had in 2006 over here


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Poster outside a Swedish cinema showing the opening game in conjunction with SVT (the Swedish public service stations): The Big Lewandowski


have you seen the guy in the greek armor ?


poland vs Greece

first game is on


aeglos wrote:
have you seen the guy in the greek armor ?

Saw a guy in a greek helmet, and I'm betting he won't see much of the game (or anything) unless he removes it after kick-off.


Legendary sports-commentator Arne Hegerfors (speaking about the Greek red card) during halftime - "I've been commenting on the Spanish league this season, and I've never seen so many bad referees as I have there. Here's a Spanish referee who might have ruined the game."

(And yeah, I kinda agree - the second yellow was barely a free kick.)

But hey, at least it was a fun game, with some stuff to talk about over a pint afterwards.


And the weather in Wroclaw seems to be a bit wet... long studs on, and hopefully we'll some first-rate, last-option sliding tackles. :)


Kajehase wrote:

Legendary sports-commentator Arne Hegerfors (speaking about the Greek red card) during halftime - "I've been commenting on the Spanish league this season, and I've never seen so many bad referees as I have there. Here's a Spanish referee who might have ruined the game."

(And yeah, I kinda agree - the second yellow was barely a free kick.)

But hey, at least it was a fun game, with some stuff to talk about over a pint afterwards.

For this one the ref is Howard Webb. Still, neither team is Manchester United so he's probably going to be ordinarily incompetent.

And yes, for the opening game it wasn't bad. They're often a lot more boring.

Grand Lodge

Well, Sczesczny didn't exactly score a goal for Poland....
Yikes.
But the good news is he won't have to play next game either and hopefully Poland will not make it out of Group Play and he'll get the rest and vacation time he needs -- and be hungry for Arsenal in August.

Even better, Rosicky and CZE didn't look so good against God-Bless-Arshavin and RUS so maybe with this loss and his still nursing an injury they'll let their only good player (and Captain) sit out and Rosicky can get the rest he desperately needs so as to be fresh and healthy come August.

Grand Lodge

Not only should that moron ref get fired -- they REALLY need to rescind not just one but both of those Yellow Cards. And publically apologize to the Greece National team.

I've only been following football for about 3 years and I've certainly seen lots of horribly bad, game-ruining calls & no-calls, but this is one of the worst.

They've got to fix this.

. . . . For all you who have followed football your whole life and seen things like this your whole life -- doesn't this poison the game for you?!? How are there not tens of millions of fans from all over the world shouting at UEFA and FIFA until it is fixed?

I get that refs will not be perfect during the game. Certainly.
But there HAS to be at least one more ref in a booth looking at replay who can contact the ref on the pitch and overrule him. That won't slow the game down!!!!

And there really needs to be a few more refs on the pitch each game. OF COURSE the refs are grossly incompetent -- how the FUC* can two guys see everything on the pitch -- it's impossible. Get more refs on the pitch.

And finally, for when mistakes do happen, and they still will from time to time, a committee of refs can look at the film the next day and add or rescind Yellow and Red Cards. (This will help kill diving off, too.)

Grand Lodge

Okay, today -- 2 hours from this post....

GO Denmark (or if RVP doesn't play so he can get some rest) GO Nederlands.

GO Portugal (but really GO Germany cuz Mertesacker and Podolsky aren't gonna play much anyway and both could use some time on the pitch -- just don't get injured.)


Bad refereeing decisions suck when they happen, but they usually even out over a season, so most of the time I can live with them - it's different in a short tournament like this.

What has me a lot more worried is the amount of money being spent on gambling - the amount of match fixing scandals have really started to increase, it seems to me - and on a related note, there's so much talk of corruption at the highest level in FIFA that it can't just be smoke.

(I'm not happy about the rampant commercialism, either, and the huge player wages at the top level of the game driving a wedge between players and fans that weren't there as late as the 80:s. But that's more a personal opinion, so a lot less important.)

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting Subscriber

Bit of English football humour for you:

BREAKING NEWS! The England football team have gone for a photo opportunity at a local orphanage in Poland.

"It was heartbreaking seeing all their little faces devoid of hope" said 6 year old Stefan.


W E Ray wrote:

Not only should that moron ref get fired -- they REALLY need to rescind not just one but both of those Yellow Cards. And publically apologize to the Greece National team.

I've only been following football for about 3 years and I've certainly seen lots of horribly bad, game-ruining calls & no-calls, but this is one of the worst.

They've got to fix this.

. . . . For all you who have followed football your whole life and seen things like this your whole life -- doesn't this poison the game for you?!? How are there not tens of millions of fans from all over the world shouting at UEFA and FIFA until it is fixed?

I get that refs will not be perfect during the game. Certainly.
But there HAS to be at least one more ref in a booth looking at replay who can contact the ref on the pitch and overrule him. That won't slow the game down!!!!

And there really needs to be a few more refs on the pitch each game. OF COURSE the refs are grossly incompetent -- how the FUC* can two guys see everything on the pitch -- it's impossible. Get more refs on the pitch.

And finally, for when mistakes do happen, and they still will from time to time, a committee of refs can look at the film the next day and add or rescind Yellow and Red Cards. (This will help kill diving off, too.)

FIFA and its ruling get on my nervs big time, The backwardness is terrible, but what can you do? Ref decissions on the field are a sacred cow.

they brought two more assitant refs, by the way.
there are 5 assistents now, 4 on each side of the field and one between the coaching areas, should be enough if the refs would actually listen to those guys


huh,

Danish Dynamite seems to be back


Yup. Lovely example of defensive play without 'parking the bus.'

Those darn Danes mustn't have gotten the script - Sweden's supposed to be the upset this year. ;)


So... happy that the assistant referee between Germany and Portugal isn't Azeri, aeglos? ;)


Kajehase wrote:
So... happy that the assistant referee between Germany and Portugal isn't Azeri, aeglos? ;)

:-D that joke took some time through my brain

yes, very happy

not happy with the way we play, though

I don't know what happend to our team, we are better than that


GOMEZ!!!

I take the last post back!


playing lousy and wining,

a good old german tournament tradition seems to be back


Yeah. You seemed a bit blunt going forward right up to the goal. (And what a sleeping pill the game was up to that point.) The defence seemed pretty solid, though. Congratulations Germany.


urgh, Italy in the lead. Go Spain!


Spain went. ;)


yeah, someone has to get the Italians out of the way for us. we always lose to italy


come on you boys in green!


Please be in a good mood tiday, Zlatan. Make Rosengård proud!

Taldor

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Tales Subscriber
houstonderek wrote:

Ok, is this tourney national teams with only people from the nations represented playing on their respective teams, or will the best player on the planet* be playing for someone? Just curious, I only follow our MLS and European pro teams (Barcelona, Arsenal and AC Milan being my favorites, for reference), so I'm not really up on what this tourney entails.

*Lionel Messi, in case you were wondering.

Argentina and Brazil played a friendly on Saturday. Messi hat-trick.

Grand Lodge

2 hours 'till England vs France!

(Please let Walcott, Ox and Kosciellny rest.)

Go France!


W E Ray wrote:
Go France!

Are you sure you're American? ;)

*is also suppporting France, provided they don't behave like they did in South Africa*

Grand Lodge

Well, follow my posts and you'll see that I'm sorta hoping that my ARSENAL players get rest so they're healed and fresh for August -- my National team (USA) isn't playing so I don't have a horse in this race.

Walcott and Ox need rest -- Walcott desperately needs rest. So if England loses in Group play my guys can rest.

And Sagna is injured so he can't play for France and Kosciellny, well, I really want him resting, too, but less so than Walcott and Ox.


One hour to go.

Sassa brassa mandelmassa!!

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