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Penny Arcade just posted a strip featuring Pathfinder and a commentary that criticizes 4th edition (which they've been pretty up on overall in the past).

Expect some additional traffic as PA-ers start investigating this "new game".

NOTE: This isn't an edition war post and I'd appreciate if people wouldn't turn it into an edition war thread.


Well they are doing 4th edition commercials on their website, still its nice how they mention it ^^

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

They will learn to fear, to horde their precious abilities. Yes. Yesssss.


Strip's nice, but where's the criticizing commentary? I couldn't find it

Silver Crusade

Penny Arcade wrote:
Fourth Edition suffers under an especially heavy yoke when it comes to power creep in our experience, and after so many expansions there’s a lot of homogeneous abilities and uniformity as an ironic result of having so many options. I still think it can be fixed, but I am sometimes accused of optimism.

Liberty's Edge

Pixel Cube wrote:
Strip's nice, but where's the criticizing commentary? I couldn't find it

Click the icon on the bottom left, between the arrows that direct you to the previous/next comic. Looks like a little notepad. When you mouse over it it says "news".


uriel222 wrote:
Penny Arcade wrote:
Fourth Edition suffers under an especially heavy yoke when it comes to power creep in our experience, and after so many expansions there’s a lot of homogeneous abilities and uniformity as an ironic result of having so many options. I still think it can be fixed, but I am sometimes accused of optimism.

Thanks, my read-fu is weak I guess.

Scarab Sages

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
They will learn to fear, to horde their precious abilities. Yes. Yesssss.

Really?

I thought 3E/3.5/PF had made great efforts to include more at-will abilities, and increase the options for casters, so they don't have to blow their good spells on trivial encounters.

I'm having a laugh with a witch right now, and between evil eye, healing and ward hexes, I can still be useful in the smaller encounters, and don't need to cast spells at all.

Dark Archive

"This is the Old Testament". Gutsy move, PA. Hope to see more Deep Crow.

Silver Crusade

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Looks like whatever deal PA had with WotC has expired. ;-)

Shadow Lodge

You call that criticism?


~laughter~

Liberty's Edge

Gorbacz wrote:
Looks like whatever deal PA had with WotC has expired. ;-)

Yeah it looks like WotC switched to LRR.

Liberty's Edge

TOZ wrote:
You call that criticism?

It's pretty mild, yeah.


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The Penny-Arcade guys don't hate 4e (and we don't have to either - love & peace for all!), they're just looking to change things up a bit. No RPG rules set is perfect. But PFRPG is different from 4e in a lot of ways, and you shouldn't really read more into it than that.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

By the way, I sure do hope Paizo has enough bandwidth to handle all those PA readers who will flock to check out "the new thing". :)

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I notice there was no direct pathfinder link in Tycho's blog. Paizo might not get PA Wanged.

Shadow Lodge

Snorter wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
They will learn to fear, to horde their precious abilities. Yes. Yesssss.

Really?

I thought 3E/3.5/PF had made great efforts to include more at-will abilities, and increase the options for casters, so they don't have to blow their good spells on trivial encounters.

I'm having a laugh with a witch right now, and between evil eye, healing and ward hexes, I can still be useful in the smaller encounters, and don't need to cast spells at all.

I agree. Even at 'just' first level, Rey has infinate 1d3+1 (acid flask focus) acid spashes and six force bolts (sage bloodline). That's before his first level spells. (snap dragon fireworks and sleep. He's built around not needing to roll to hit.) More than enough to get through Silent Tide.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Just noticed it's part four of a storyline. To the archives!


Ruh-roh.


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I like my Paladins like I like my RPGs - Old Testament


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If you don't like power creep, then Pathfinder is definitely the game for you!

(Or not...)

;-)

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

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I had a feeling something like this might be brewing after yesterday's oft-retweeted tweet from cwgabriel:

cwgabriel wrote:
okay after getting the Starter box a few weeks ago it is official...I am obsessed with Pathfinder. @paizo

Looks like they didn't link directly to paizo.com (yet) so maybe we have time to tweak some bandwidth-type things before the onslaught...


It makes me wonder if Gabe had any experience with 3.x before he tried Pathfinder.

Sovereign Court

Andostre wrote:
It makes me wonder if Gabe had any experience with 3.x before he tried Pathfinder.

He got into TTRPGs through fourth edition...

http://penny-arcade.com/2008/05/30/dd-4th-edition

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2008/06/06/more-dungeons-and-dragons


Gorbacz wrote:
By the way, I sure do hope Paizo has enough bandwidth to handle all those PA readers who will flock to check out "the new thing". :)

Pathfinder is already the #1 selling RPG. It is likely most readers of PA are very aware of this product already.

Silver Crusade

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Lastoth wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
By the way, I sure do hope Paizo has enough bandwidth to handle all those PA readers who will flock to check out "the new thing". :)
Pathfinder is already the #1 selling RPG. It is likely most readers of PA are very aware of this product already.

As Wizards of the Coast quite painfully discovered with 4E, pen and paper RPG awareness among video gamers isn't quite what some think it is.

Sovereign Court

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So is "The Book of Plagues, Floods and Pillars of Salt" going to be the new slogan for the game? ;)


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TOZ wrote:
You call that criticism?

It's less criticism and more commentary. PA has been pretty faithful to 4e over the years. It's what they've played in their normal and 'superstar' group. It's what worked for them and theirs for awhile. They've never really been anti- any other system.

But it seems that they're making a shift in their game and trying something new to them that may work better for how they want to play. And it's apparently to PFRPG.

Shadow Lodge

Evil Lincoln wrote:
Ruh-roh.

I'm getting the bunker prepped for the firestorm that will ensue when PA readers find the anti-4E posts around here. Any stock requests?


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TOZ wrote:
Evil Lincoln wrote:
Ruh-roh.
I'm getting the bunker prepped for the firestorm that will ensue when PA readers find the anti-4E posts around here. Any stock requests?

Check the favorite beer thread.


TOZ wrote:
I'm getting the bunker prepped for the firestorm that will ensue when PA readers find the anti-4E posts around here. Any stock requests?

1554 Enlightened Black Ale

and hotwings


TOZ wrote:
You call that criticism?

It's mild, but it is criticism, the more notable because PA has always before been quite positive on 4E.


Cornielius wrote:
TOZ wrote:
I'm getting the bunker prepped for the firestorm that will ensue when PA readers find the anti-4E posts around here. Any stock requests?

1554 Enlightened Black Ale

and hotwings

I really don't think the amount of PA people who visit here is going to amount to much, relative the this sites normal traffic anwyay. It would be cool to see the traffic logs for this timeframe.

Liberty's Edge

I think it's great that, no matter what the system, PA constantly refers back to tabletop gaming as the roots of the modern video gaming industry. It was great to see Paizo and other tabletop gaming companies there at PAX alongside the huge amounts of money being thrown around in the exhibit hall by the big video game publishers.

This comic was also very appropriate for my online gaming group, since we just wrapped up a game of 4e and are starting up Pathfinder. It was a hard sell initially, but my constant flogging of their products and the fantastic line support that Paizo provides finally sealed the deal.

Silver Crusade

As a long time reader of PA, Tycho has explained many times that all their advertisers are only for products they themselves enjoy. But also, it's a double-edged sword. Just because they have advertisers, those companies know full well that their games are also open to any critique or criticism within the blog/comic dishes out.

While Gabe has been showing off his amazingly fun game over the years, and the star-studded podcasts are a joy to watch and listen to, it still doesn't change the fact that they are gamers... and many don't like to sit still in the industry, as The Conflux storyline alludes to in some ways. You gotta move on and stretch your wings, keeping it interesting and challenging. Yay, Pathfinder!


The reason for their change seems to be that Gabe's party is level 21+ and he can't challenge them at all. Their game has been put on hiatus, and it looks like discovering pathfinder will end that.

Tycho seems to have been encouraging him to find ways to get more lethal...


I want to see a Pillars of Salt spell now.

Former VP of Finance

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Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
I want to see a Pillars of Salt spell now.

Via Jason's Google Plus:

Pillars of Salt
School: transmutation; Level: cleric/druid 9
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S, M (handful of salt)
Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area: 10-ft-radius spread
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude half; Spell Resistance: yes
This spell calls down the fury of the heavens, transforming all heathens within its area into pillars of salt. All creatures in the area that do not share one alignment component with you take 10 points of damage per caster level. Those that are slain by this spell are transformed into pillars of salt and cannot be raised or resurrected, without first casting wish or miracle. Creatures that save against this effect, but are still slain are not transformed in this way.

Silver Crusade

Chris Self wrote:
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
I want to see a Pillars of Salt spell now.

Via Jason's Google Plus:

Pillars of Salt
.....

Was just coming over to post this. Someone posted it on the PA forum too.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32

I just want to hear that last panel read by Samuel L. Jackson.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

Epic Meepo wrote:
I just want to hear that last panel read by Samuel L. Jackson.

We'll get right on that...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I notice there was no direct pathfinder link in Tycho's blog. Paizo might not get PA Wanged.

Is that the new term? I guess slashdotted long out of style.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Hope the paizo team throws some ads for the beginner box together and gets some adspace on PAs main page. Pathfinder might explode like fireworks!


Morgen wrote:
So is "The Book of Plagues, Floods and Pillars of Salt" going to be the new slogan for the game? ;)

Make it into a new accessory book! Please? Pretty, pretty please with a handful of manna on the top?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Lissa Guillet wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I notice there was no direct pathfinder link in Tycho's blog. Paizo might not get PA Wanged.
Is that the new term? I guess slashdotted long out of style.

"Slashdotted" sounds soooo XX century.


Lissa Guillet wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I notice there was no direct pathfinder link in Tycho's blog. Paizo might not get PA Wanged.
Is that the new term? I guess slashdotted long out of style.

It's kind of old-ish, in Internet ages. But it's usually used specifically to refer to a site's overload at the hands of a Penny Arcade post. So it's new to some, not to others.

Sovereign Court

Gabe's initial thoughts about pathfinder and a link to the starter box are now up on the front page.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Hmm, the problems Mike "Gabe" refers to aren't exclusive 4e issues. High level play and GM Burn out has been a problem with the game for a long time. That's why the AP model is so great. A satisfying end to a campaign means you can get enthusiastic about a new story all over again.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Lissa Guillet wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I notice there was no direct pathfinder link in Tycho's blog. Paizo might not get PA Wanged.
Is that the new term? I guess slashdotted long out of style.

*shrug* I'm still using instalanche from the blogs I read.

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