Ki Pool and Master of many styles

[Kalrik]

Part of the Ki Pool allows the monk to spend a point to make another attack as part of his flurry of blows.

Master of many styles loses flurry of blows.

Am I correct in ruling that specific ability from the Ki pool is no longer available, since flurry has been sacrificed, or is there something in the rules elsewhere that I have missed?

[bhh39]

well if we are being technical that ability still exists meaning whenever a monk flurries he can spend a point to get an extra attack still exists, since master of many styles doesn't change the ki pool.

It's just that "whenever a monk flurries" now never occurs since he can't flurry.

can't imagine why this is an important distinction but there it is

[Kalrik]

Player is suggesting that since flurry is a full attack action, that he should be able to spend a ki point to take an additional attack as part of his full attack action...

I am unsure as how to rule. Any thoughts.

[Talonhawke]

Kalrik wrote:

Player is suggesting that since flurry is a full attack action, that he should be able to spend a ki point to take an additional attack as part of his full attack action...

I am unsure as how to rule. Any thoughts.

RAW FoB is a special kind of full attack action however it wouldn't break anything to let him spend his KI this way.

[seekerofshadowlight]

If it allowed an extra attack, he would be goldren. However it allows an extra attack as part of a flurry. He can't flurry, so he can't take an action that gives him an extra attack as part of a flurry.

[bhh39]

rather flurry of blows is a full attack but it is not every full attack flurry of blows, even for a monk. a normal monk could make a regular full attack with a shortsword, or other non-monk weapon, but couldn't spend a ki point on it. same thing with a master of many styles, except the option to flurry has been removed.

that being said it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to make a houserule letting the monk do this

[course]

this came up at my game tonight when I tried to spend a ki point to get an extra attack during a full attack with my master of many styles. GM ruled that it wasn't allowed because MoMS no longer has the flurry of blows feature. The problem I have is that the ninja class states it can spend a ki point for an extra attack "when making a full attack". Anybody think this is an oversight on the monk description. I know RAW, this is how it works, but it's still disappointing.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

Yes it is, and it would be nice if the devs decided to errata it so that monks who lack flurry but still have ki can use ki to make extra attacks during normal full attacks. However, they may not, and if they don't, then it isn't RAW. House rule it if you want.

[blackbloodtroll]

Ki can be used for other things. Check out the Ki diversity feat, it's awesome.

[course]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Ki can be used for other things. Check out the Ki diversity feat, it's awesome.

yeah, I'm basically using it to boost AC, since I have snake fang. this toon is rogue 2/monk 4 and my plan was to be using the extra attack with stunning fist at the full bonus to generate sneak attack opportunities. so much for that...

[Archaeik]

My solution: dip Ninja 2. Their ki powers include an extra attack during a full attack.

[StreamOfTheSky]

It should be errata'd to just be on a full attack. Any monk who has FoB will want to use it when he full attacks everytime anyway.

(Unless the now-not-so-recent-nerf-that's-still-in-"review" becomes official.... then some monks may be better off not flurrying at all.)