When might do you think you will be releasing your guide?
When do you think you might be releasing the t-shirts?
==Aelryinth
When might do you think you will be releasing your guide?
Hopefully within the next week or two. It all comes down to how much I can work on it with the wife.
When do you think you might be releasing the t-shirts?
==Aelryinth
I'm...
I don't even. Man, I'd have to look into it. Are there seriously people who want allcaps ramblings on t-shirts?
RAGELANCEPOUNCE would be great, but sadly out of everyone I know, I would be the only one who understands it.
Yes yes there are
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My other mount is a Synthesist.
OK I have to look into this now.
next thing of course is to see if BATTY BAT can reach escape velocity and have barbarians in space
BATTY BAT FLY TO SPACE ONCE, NOT LIKE. TOO QUIET. ALSO, AM BARBARIAN TURN BLUE.
next thing of course is to see if BATTY BAT can reach escape velocity and have barbarians in spaceBATTY BAT FLY TO SPACE ONCE, NOT LIKE. TOO QUIET. ALSO, AM BARBARIAN TURN BLUE.
MUST HAVE BEEN BEFORE BARBARIAN GOT 9000 GP NECKLACE OF HAVING CLEAN AIR.
NOW BARBARIAN ONLY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT RAPID DECOMPRESSION, WHICH AM NO RULES FOR, AND COLD DAMAGE, WHICH AM RULES FOR.
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My other mount is a Synthesist.
OK I have to look into this now.
I'm placing an order now for one each of this slogan and the AM NEVER NEED FOR SHIRT ones in 3toddler and XL adult
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next thing of course is to see if BATTY BAT can reach escape velocity and have barbarians in spaceBATTY BAT FLY TO SPACE ONCE, NOT LIKE. TOO QUIET. ALSO, AM BARBARIAN TURN BLUE.MUST HAVE BEEN BEFORE BARBARIAN GOT 9000 GP NECKLACE OF HAVING CLEAN AIR.
NOW BARBARIAN ONLY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT RAPID DECOMPRESSION, WHICH AM NO RULES FOR, AND COLD DAMAGE, WHICH AM RULES FOR.
COULD ALWAYS TRADE IN BATTY BAT FOR SHANKY SHANTAK!
COULD ALWAYS TRADE IN BATTY BAT FOR SHANKY SHANTAK!
GIVE BATTY BAT CHANCE TO FLY SLOW, SMELL FLOWERS, MAYBE RAISE BONSAI ELF?
...NAH, SOUND BORING.
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Right here
Pounce works with all weapons, manufactured or not. You can't take iterative attacks with a pounce, of course, and in most cases that won't be an option anyway since the vast majority of creatures that have pounce are not manufactured weapon users.
(emphasis mine).
I think this means AM can't RAGELANCEPOUNCE.
...well, not more than the one attack he gets with OBSERVED STATE, which, if it hits, will probably do for most casters anyway. Not that it'd hit.
Very very interesting. That looks like a bit of unofficial errata too the ability.
I suppose the only option is for AM to now RAGELANCEFURIOUSVITALSTRIKE CHARGE.
Right herePounce works with all weapons, manufactured or not. You can't take iterative attacks with a pounce, of course, and in most cases that won't be an option anyway since the vast majority of creatures that have pounce are not manufactured weapon users.(emphasis mine).
I think this means AM can't RAGELANCEPOUNCE.
...well, not more than the one attack he gets with OBSERVED STATE, which, if it hits, will probably do for most casters anyway. Not that it'd hit.
Sorry to be the badguy here, but while Mr. Jacobs is awesome, he is not a rules resource. The afformentioned quote does not make much sense in context of Greater Beast Totem, which would be non-functional while using a two handed weapon if he were correct (which leads me to believe he is not).
Not really since, In fact it'd make the claws make more sense.
I can imagine a barb charging with his bite and claw attacks, before quick drawing his great axe for the actual combat. Makes sense.
EDIT:- Lets be honest, we all know the beast line of totems was the strongest for the simple fact that it gave pounce. No-one really cared about any of the other parts, this ruling would seem to bring it more into line with the other totems without making it useless at all.
Now I wish they'd just get around to errating exactly how the Totem warrior archtype is meant too work, and I'll be happy.
I do however agree that until it's official it's.. not official. Obviously.
He then goes on to say that pounce and pcs is generally something they're hesitant to give...
And then that we have gms to make tough decisions like this.
So it looks kind of like a non-answer.
Not really since, In fact it'd make the claws make more sense.
I can imagine a barb charging with his bite and claw attacks, before quick drawing his great axe for the actual combat. Makes sense.
The issue is that if you look at just the Beast Totem Powers, in the absense of Animal Fury (the ONLY way I can see to get another natural attack as a pure barbarian that isn't another totem, and therefore unavailable), you're looking at two maximum attacks on a pounce, or a single additional bite on the charge in addition to a two-handed weapon attack.
This is not in line with the power level of a third tier totem rage power. Not even close.
Combined with the fact that Mr. Jacobs is not a rules resource (a statement he has made on several occasions), it seems FAR more reasonable to assume he mis-spoke and you can make a full attack as normal with pounce on the charge.
I'm not sure I agree entirely with that, since a 2 handed attack with a bite, the bite is already secondary, reducing it's effectiveness, meaning your getting a total of 2 times your strength and 2 times of the power attack bonus, plus only 2 times of the charge.
With 2 claws and a bite, you are getting 3 times your strength, 3 times the power attack bonus, and 3 times of the charge bonus. Now if we include vital strike into the equation then it MIGHT bring this back in favour of a 2 handed and a bite attack (maybe) when added with the weapon enhancements, but if you have a handy dandy druid/ranger in the group the pounce again pulls easily ahead in damage.
And considering that the only other "end" totem that is notably powerful in my opinion is fiend totem and that's highly conditional since you are normally up against evil enemies, I'd say it's still fairly high up in the power radius.
I'm not about to say Jacobs isn't a rules guy, because he hates that.
I will say that his response to Rossi after the original post is one I've given while gming an ability I didn't read often.
James did indeed say natural attacks only.
I would then note that Rossi pointed out that pounce specifically states full attack.
James did not correct him or throw out errata. He stated that it was why they were hesitant to give pounce to pc's.
That's very telling.
Mmm I'm not trying to argue everyone has to now start following this rule, just saying it'd make sense, until it's official it's not changing much.
No argument from me there, James is usually sensible.
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What struck me was the 'of course' part, as if the idea that one could get iterative attacks from a pounce were the oddity. With respect to Greater Beast Totem, you're gaining a pounce ability to go with the two claw attacks - which are PRIMARY attacks - you get from Lesser Beast Totem.
EDIT: Sorry, Krispy, I didn't read your post very well. In response, I'd say that not all rage powers are equal. Not all feats, or skills, or spells, or traits are equal. So to claim that James' statement is wrong because Greater Beast Totem should be stronger than that (which, it seems to me, you're arguing), isn't a very telling argument.
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It seems reasonable that when the designers were dreaming up the Beast Totem line they were thinking 'give 'em claws' then 'give 'em a way to pounce with those claws' - that's the way it reads from a theme point of view...
... Doesn't change the RAW though, and I expect there'd be much grumbling and gnashing of teeth on these boards if the whole 'full-attack at the end of a charge' apsect of the power was nerfed now...
When one is unfamiliar with the wording of a rule, it is easy to be certain of an incorrect conclusion.
...I sound like Mr Miyagi up in here.
... Doesn't change the RAW though, and I expect there'd be much grumbling and gnashing of teeth on these boards if the whole 'full-attack at the end of a charge' apsect of the power was nerfed now...
Its barely even relevant. Mounted Skirmisher means that the RAGELANCEPOUNCE build is at worst reduced moderately in range; the general idea still functions perfectly adequetely.
On the other hand, non-mounted Barbarians are put at a fairly arbitrary disadvantage...
EDIT: Nevermind. A lot of this is contingent on using surprise round charges with Pounce to gain full attacks as a standard action, isn't it?
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It seems reasonable that when the designers were dreaming up the Beast Totem line they were thinking 'give 'em claws' then 'give 'em a way to pounce with those claws' - that's the way it reads from a theme point of view...
... Doesn't change the RAW though, and I expect there'd be much grumbling and gnashing of teeth on these boards if the whole 'full-attack at the end of a charge' apsect of the power was nerfed now...
In much the same way Heirloom Weapon caused much wailing and gnashing of teeth when it was nerfed/rightfully limited/aw man Paizo hates me/no they should've done it this way/NO U, right?
I think this is a case where people saw an ambiguous rule, assumed it'd work one way because it'd be cooler and make them more powerful, and didn't wait for an official ruling (which, I agree, hasn't come out yet) or checking to see if this was RAI as well as their interpretation of RAW.
Anyway, AM, no harm, no foul. But I think you're still flat-footed, and therefore an easier target. :)
WHAT HECK KIND OF CASTY TARGET AC ANYWAYS?
DEAD KIND, THAT WHAT.
YES. no questions yes. no one i know would get it, but i would laughWhen might do you think you will be releasing your guide?Hopefully within the next week or two. It all comes down to how much I can work on it with the wife.
When do you think you might be releasing the t-shirts?
==Aelryinth
I'm...
I don't even. Man, I'd have to look into it. Are there seriously people who want allcaps ramblings on t-shirts?
I think any shirt that read AM BARBARIAN across the chest everyone who read it would get it instantly.
==Aelryinth
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Thematically, I concur that Pounce should only work with a natural weapons full attack sequence...every monster they've given it too (mostly cats) uses it with a jumping-on, mauling kind of attack.
If Pounce works with iteratives, its a skill, not a talent, and it can be learned. If Barbs get Pounce with weapons, fighters should get Pounce with weapons. It should be a feat.
==Aelryinth
Thematically, I concur that Pounce should only work with a natural weapons full attack sequence...every monster they've given it too (mostly cats) uses it with a jumping-on, mauling kind of attack.
If Pounce works with iteratives, its a skill, not a talent, and it can be learned. If Barbs get Pounce with weapons, fighters should get Pounce with weapons. It should be a feat.
==Aelryinth
I disagree, on grounds that someone would roll a pouncing wizard.
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I disagree, on grounds that someone would roll a pouncing wizard.Thematically, I concur that Pounce should only work with a natural weapons full attack sequence...every monster they've given it too (mostly cats) uses it with a jumping-on, mauling kind of attack.
If Pounce works with iteratives, its a skill, not a talent, and it can be learned. If Barbs get Pounce with weapons, fighters should get Pounce with weapons. It should be a feat.
==Aelryinth
RAGEWISHPOUNCE!
SILLY CASTY. EVERYONE KNOW CASTY NOT ABLE TO CAST WHEN RAGING.
AM CAN. AM CASTY OR AM BARBARIAN??? DICHOTOMY HURT BRAIN!!! NEED MOMENT OF CLARITY...
I am reasonably certain that there's a least one first-party printed monster that has pounce and uses manufactured weapons.
YO.
When might do you think you will be releasing your guide?Hopefully within the next week or two. It all comes down to how much I can work on it with the wife.
When do you think you might be releasing the t-shirts?
==Aelryinth
I'm...
I don't even. Man, I'd have to look into it. Are there seriously people who want allcaps ramblings on t-shirts?
Over 3,000 responses on these AM BARBARIAN threads and their derivatives would seem to indicate so, yes.
i want to see builds for these casties who challenge AM BARBARIAN. AM promised to show his build. i think these casties can do the same. the reason i'm not posting a build for AM NINJA is because he was never intended to be a serious build. he is a joke at best.
Originally the deal was I'd post the thing after they did.
This was said largely because castys never post a build and thus I could be lazy. Then I got bored and started actually statting it beyond the basic framework I had. At this rate I'll be done ahead of schedule.
I will have a full build sometime before the wizard advocates ever post one.
I still feel safe in this estimate. As I said, castys never post a build.
However, the original deal in the C-M D battleground thread was that the build would be posted after the castys posted one. I just got tired of waiting.
My apologies, were I not posting from my optimus s I would be including the link to the aforementioned statement as well.
I am reasonably certain that there's a least one first-party printed monster that has pounce and uses manufactured weapons.There may be. Does it use iterative attacks with the manufactured weapons on a pounce? Find the monster and post it.
That probably impossible since monsters don't have a pounce line they have a full attack line.
That probably impossible since monsters don't have a pounce line they have a full attack line.I am reasonably certain that there's a least one first-party printed monster that has pounce and uses manufactured weapons.There may be. Does it use iterative attacks with the manufactured weapons on a pounce? Find the monster and post it.
And if they did have both ja bunch if natural attacks or manufactured weapons, it'd list one and then the other with an 'or...'
Blast. Foiled by consistent formatting!
Yeah thats the problem
MAYBE AM TIME TO POST IN RULES FORUM?
MAYBE AM TIME TO POST IN RULES FORUM?
DESTROYER BLESS IT, THIS ALWAYS AM HAPPENING EVERY TIME.
BARBARIAN THREAD AM MAKING RULES CRY.