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Cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone.


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Orange prism: Wearer adds one cantrip or orison
(determined when the stone is created) to his list of spells
known or spells prepared. Price: 1,000 gp.

page 49. under the list of "cracked ioun stones". Seekers of Secrets book.

... a few questions about this:

1) Does this grant any caster the ability to have an Orison as a "spell prepared", or a Cantrip as a "spell known", or vice versa, in any combination?

2) Does this grant a non-caster PC that ability to cast a cantrip/orison?

3) Does this fulfill the requirements of any feat/other features that require either the ability to Cast a cantrip/oruison, or any arcane/divine spell?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

1. Yes, the result depends on whether you are a spontaneous caster, or a prepatory one.

2. No.

3. No. because if you don't have the ability to cast in the first place, the stone has no effect.


LazarX wrote:
1. Yes, the result depends on whether you are a spontaneous caster, or a prepatory one

To further clarify though, By your interpretation:

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant an Orison as a Prepared Spell, Would a Wizard be able to benefit?

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant a Cantrip as a Spell Known, Would a Wizard be able to benefit?

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant an Orison as a Spell known, Would a Wizard be able to benefit?

Edited

Grand Lodge

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Bane Wraith wrote:
LazarX wrote:
1. Yes, the result depends on whether you are a spontaneous caster, or a prepatory one

To further clarify though, By your interpretation:

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant an Orison as a Prepared Spell, Would a Wizard be able to benefit?

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant a Cantrip as a Spell Known, Would a Sorcerer be able to benefit?

If the original creator of the ioun stone designated it to grant an Orison as a Spell known, Would a Wizard be able to benefit?

It has nothing to do with what class the original creator was. The property is dependent on the user.


LazarX wrote:


It has nothing to do with what class the original creator was. The property is dependent on the user.

"Wearer adds one cantrip or orison (determined when the stone is created)"

I'm assuming this decision is Not changeable, and thus it's important to note compatibilities. This does not depend on the original creator's class, but his Choice of what the Stone does.

Edit:..hmmm.. alright. I think I originally misread. Would still be nice to know if this stone is capable of granting an Orison to a Wizard or a Cantrip to a Cleric, though.


It would be easier just to say character can cast the cantrip at will using his HD or caster level (whichever is higher) as the caster level. Most popular one would be Create water in the desert.


my first spark of interest was in the fact this stone May provide a Wizard or Magus the ability to cast arcane spells Without Preparing them ahead, and maybe that would fulfill the requirements of some feats or classes that require spontaneous spellcasters... but, that's probably a no-go.

So, all I want to know is if it's capable of granting an Orison to an arcane caster, and a Cantrip to a divine one.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

No, it's not a gateway to a PrC, no matter what the stone does.


LazarX wrote:
No, it's not a gateway to a PrC, no matter what the stone does.

That


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Do note that Seeker of Secrets is 3.5, not PF.

I'm not sure if it as updated.

But it would not grant access to PrCs, since it is not a permanent bonus.


LazarX wrote:
No, it's not a gateway to a PrC, no matter what the stone does.

Well, actually.. Not that I can see. The granting a Non-casting PC the ability to cast spells, would. But.. otherwise.. most prestige classes have a spell level requirement of at least 1 or above.


Cheapy wrote:

Do note that Seeker of Secrets is 3.5, not PF.

I'm not sure if it as updated.

But it would not grant access to PrCs, since it is not a permanent bonus.

Thanks for further clarification as to the PrCs. However, I do believe you're mistaken... Seekers of Secrets has a big fat "Pathfinder Chronicles" on the cover, from the PDF that I'm looking at.. it's Paizo Published.

EDIT: Any clarifications out there for the Orison and Cantrip selections? Can this stone grant Orisons to an Arcane spellcaster, and Cantrips to a Divine?


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Bane Wraith wrote:
Cheapy wrote:

Do note that Seeker of Secrets is 3.5, not PF.

I'm not sure if it as updated.

But it would not grant access to PrCs, since it is not a permanent bonus.

Thanks for further clarification as to the PrCs. However, I do believe you're mistaken... Seekers of Secrets has a big fat "Pathfinder Chronicles" on the cover, from the PDF that I'm looking at.. it's Paizo Published.

EDIT: Any clarifications out there for the Orison and Cantrip selections? Can this stone grant Orisons to an ARcane spellcaster, and Cantrips to a Divine?

You're right for the wrong reasons. Seeker of Secrets came out a month after PFRPG was released. But Golarion and the Pathfinders have been around since 2007 I think. There's a lot of 3.5 Pathfinder stuff out there.

this book came out before PFRPG did, but has Pathfinder Chronicles as the series.

There isn't any precedent for whether cantrips or orisons go to the other type of caster, I don't think. Ask your GM. I might allow it on a per-spell basis, but arcane casters will never be getting Stabilize.


Cheapy wrote:


You're right for the wrong reasons. Seeker of Secrets came out a month after PFRPG was released. But Golarion and the Pathfinders have been around since 2007 I think. There's a lot of 3.5 Pathfinder stuff out there.

this book came out before PFRPG did, but has Pathfinder Chronicles as the series.

There isn't any precedent for whether cantrips or orisons go to the other type of caster, I don't think. Ask your GM. I might allow it on a per-spell basis, but arcane casters will never be getting Stabilize.

That's.. rather enlightening. ^_^

And alright. The latter is what I thought.


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Question: To be more specific. Does this mean a wizard can cast 'Create Water' using a properly created Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

Does this mean a cleric can cast Prestidigitation or Arcane Mark with an Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

I'm also specifically asking for Pathfinder Society (really should make a thread there). n.n


ArcTanGentleman wrote:

Does this mean a wizard can cast 'Create Water' using a properly created Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

I'm also specifically asking for Pathfinder Society (really should make a thread there). n.n

Do you have a chronicle sheet listing the Cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
ArcTanGentleman wrote:

Question: To be more specific. Does this mean a wizard can cast 'Create Water' using a properly created Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

Does this mean a cleric can cast Prestidigitation or Arcane Mark with an Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

I'm also specifically asking for Pathfinder Society (really should make a thread there). n.n

I would like to know the answer to this question. As a wizard knowing Create Water would be useful.


Grick wrote:
ArcTanGentleman wrote:

Does this mean a wizard can cast 'Create Water' using a properly created Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

I'm also specifically asking for Pathfinder Society (really should make a thread there). n.n

Do you have a chronicle sheet listing the Cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone?

you could just wait until you have 9 fame and buy one around level 2 or 3.

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