So it says you can crit on a touch attack. I assume that means the spell you're casting does double damage.
But if you can crit with a touch attack, can you sneak attack? I'm making a rogue/wizard who specializes in touch attacks, but I'm wondering if I need to invest in unarmed strike to get both touch attacks and sneak attack damage on the same attack.
Plus, what are the feelings out there about a player taking weapon finesse (touch attacks)?
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So it says you can crit on a touch attack. I assume that means the spell you're casting does double damage.
But if you can crit with a touch attack, can you sneak attack? I'm making a rogue/wizard who specializes in touch attacks, but I'm wondering if I need to invest in unarmed strike to get both touch attacks and sneak attack damage on the same attack.
This is an ability of the Arcane Trickster, which is probably the prestige class you would want if you are a rogue/wizard.
So it says you can crit on a touch attack. I assume that means the spell you're casting does double damage.
But if you can crit with a touch attack, can you sneak attack? I'm making a rogue/wizard who specializes in touch attacks, but I'm wondering if I need to invest in unarmed strike to get both touch attacks and sneak attack damage on the same attack.
Plus, what are the feelings out there about a player taking weapon finesse (touch attacks)?
You can sneak attack with a touch attack, you dont need to take anything special to allow it.
And you also dont need to be specific with weapon finesse. It isnt like weapon focus where it only applies to a specific weapon. If you take the weapon finesse all light and finessable weapons can be used with it. Touch attacks are considered light weapons so you can use your dex with them if you have weapon finesse.
I much prefer just taking weapon finesse since it works with all light weapons and you don't have to choose one.
This is an ability of the Arcane Trickster, which is probably the prestige class you would want if you are a rogue/wizard.So it says you can crit on a touch attack. I assume that means the spell you're casting does double damage.
But if you can crit with a touch attack, can you sneak attack? I'm making a rogue/wizard who specializes in touch attacks, but I'm wondering if I need to invest in unarmed strike to get both touch attacks and sneak attack damage on the same attack.
While the arcane trickster is something the OP should look at if they are a rogue/wizard, there is no ability they have that allows you to snneak attack with touch spells, you just can. There is no additional ability required.
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While the arcane trickster is something the OP should look at if they are a rogue/wizard, there is no ability they have that allows you to snneak attack with touch spells, you just can. There is no additional ability required.
Did you look at the Arcane Trickster before saying that?
From the PRD:
Surprise Spells: At 10th level, an arcane trickster can add her sneak attack damage to any spell that deals damage, if the targets are flat-footed. This additional damage only applies to spells that deal hit point damage, and the additional damage is of the same type as the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw to negate or halve the damage, it also negates or halves the sneak attack damage.
While the arcane trickster is something the OP should look at if they are a rogue/wizard, there is no ability they have that allows you to snneak attack with touch spells, you just can. There is no additional ability required.Did you look at the Arcane Trickster before saying that?
From the PRD:
Surprise Spells: At 10th level, an arcane trickster can add her sneak attack damage to any spell that deals damage, if the targets are flat-footed. This additional damage only applies to spells that deal hit point damage, and the additional damage is of the same type as the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw to negate or halve the damage, it also negates or halves the sneak attack damage.
This ability allows sneak attack on spells tha do not require an attack roll (e.g. Fireball) as long as the target is flat-fotted. Touch attack spell and sneak attack allway works!!
While the arcane trickster is something the OP should look at if they are a rogue/wizard, there is no ability they have that allows you to snneak attack with touch spells, you just can. There is no additional ability required.Did you look at the Arcane Trickster before saying that?
From the PRD:
Surprise Spells: At 10th level, an arcane trickster can add her sneak attack damage to any spell that deals damage, if the targets are flat-footed. This additional damage only applies to spells that deal hit point damage, and the additional damage is of the same type as the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw to negate or halve the damage, it also negates or halves the sneak attack damage.
What Melissa and Breti Said. And yes i did double check the prc before posting ;). I just didnt think you were refering to THAT ability. The poor arcane trickster is woefull enough splitting his attention between rogue and wizard, I didnt think you thought he had to wait untill 16th level before getting to actually combine 2 primary class features (touch spells and sneak attack).
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I guess I am missunderstanding. Noramly you only apply sneak damage when a target is denied dex or if you are flanking an opponet. Touch attacks do not deny dex, only armor. If you are saying you are both denying dex and doing a touch attack, well then of course. If you are just making a touch attack,but your target still has dex and or is not flanked, then no precision damage will be added unless you have the ability Impromptu Sneak Attack from the arcan trickster.
Well of course. I just wanted to know if it was possible at all.
Completely plausible. You might want to look at spells like chill touch. It's a low level spell but it can be used over multiple rounds/level. One standard action to cast and numerous attacks all requiring saves.
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I'm wondering if a non-HP-damaging touch spell, like Ray of Enfeeblement, can do sneak attack damage. Sensibility says no, but rules say yes-?
No. To add sneak attack damage to an attack (including a spell) it needs :
- to be an attack (ie, you have to make an attack roll)
- to deal HP damage
You cannot add SA damage to a touch attack that does not inflict HP damage.
Note that the SA damage is of the same nature as the attack, ie sneak attacking with a Flame Blade deals additional Fire damage, just as sneak attacking with Chill Touch will deal additional Negative Energy damage.
I guess I am missunderstanding. Noramly you only apply sneak damage when a target is denied dex or if you are flanking an opponet. Touch attacks do not deny dex, only armor. If you are saying you are both denying dex and doing a touch attack, well then of course. If you are just making a touch attack,but your target still has dex and or is not flanked, then no precision damage will be added unless you have the ability Impromptu Sneak Attack from the arcan trickster.
Touch attacks do not inherently deny Dex, you still need to flank, feint catch them flatfooted just like you would need to with a normal sneak attack.
So how does this work with Deliquescent Gloves that give all of your touch attacks 1d6 acid damage?I'm wondering if a non-HP-damaging touch spell, like Ray of Enfeeblement, can do sneak attack damage. Sensibility says no, but rules say yes-?No. To add sneak attack damage to an attack (including a spell) it needs :
- to be an attack (ie, you have to make an attack roll)
- to deal HP damageYou cannot add SA damage to a touch attack that does not inflict HP damage.
Note that the SA damage is of the same nature as the attack, ie sneak attacking with a Flame Blade deals additional Fire damage, just as sneak attacking with Chill Touch will deal additional Negative Energy damage.
You would then do the effects of the spell +1d6 acid damage +Xd6 acid sneak attack damage.
