I don't mean the Dragonspawn-dragon humans, I mean the D&D dragonspawn which are just smaller versions of the dragons with strange appearances...
No, I gotcha. This sort of muddying of the dragon pool just eventually leads to the 0-HD dragon race. The weirdo dragon monsters are just stops along a line I have no interest in traveling. It sounds like we're of the same mind on this.
And i'm very curious which creaturs you mean by this, I sure hope its about Argus and not the Tarrasque-aztek creatures they talk about :p
Only time will tell. ;)
Smaller dragons I agree we need more medium size and smaller.
What do you mean by "nature" set of dragons? We have elemental ones, I agree about the gem dragons, but at least there is a crystal dragon.
I really want more cretures from the positive energy plane.
A lot more Fey, like at least 15 for the next bestairy but preferably 20.
I would love a playable dragon race, fey race, plant race, etc. but at least i have catfolk, kitsune, damphir, and changelings.
No, I gotcha. This sort of muddying of the dragon pool just eventually leads to the 0-HD dragon race. The weirdo dragon monsters are just stops along a line I have no interest in traveling. It sounds like we're of the same mind on this.
Personally I wouldn't mind 0-HD dragon men monsters. The madness doesn't lie in the existence of creatures like this, the madness lies with those who assume that any 0-HD creature is automatically a "playable" race for PCs just because an entry "XY as characters" is listed.
I hate it when people automatically take to mean "as PCs" and don't understand that those rules are necessary to build any of those creatures at all.
As the office's resident expert in obscure monsters, I'm always impressed with some of the out-there creatures from folklore you guys dig up. I also really enjoy seeing names on these list that I've commissioned and are in the pipe. ;)
I think you all will be pleased with a few things we have in store later this year, but totally keep the wishlists going.
Never EVER create sooo many dragonspawn, drakes and other such creatures like they did! It really sucked!Dragons are supposed to be special. I don't ever see us coming out with a big book of all weirdo new dragons. Any time we add dragons its. preferably, either as a new breed of five, a creature from folklore, or a minor spin off like drakes - things with some history, some precedent, some legs. For that reason, I'm a big opponent of a 0 HD dragon race (and avoid the half-dragon template), it just makes dragons too commonplace. The black dragon despot at the end of the campaign looses some of its oomph if you've had his two-legged cousin in the party the whole campaign.
That said, now that I've poo-pooed them, if you want a dragon race, just use the rules in the Advanced Race Guide to make them.
I don't mean the Dragonspawn-dragon humans, I mean the D&D dragonspawn which are just smaller versions of the dragons with strange appearances, such as the black dragon spider, the whitespawn iceskater, greenspawn assassin, purplespawn nightmare killer, the godslayer bluespawn and the redspawn firebelcher... such dragonspawn are a waste of space and blasphemy to the real dragons.
And i'm very curious which creaturs you mean by this, I sure hope its about Argus and not the Tarrasque-aztek creatures they talk about :p
Yes because our wishlists aren't as valid as yours >.>
@Odraude I was just joking, however I really want Argus that bad that I would be disappointed to see a tarrasque-wannabee be the one Wesley is talking about instead of this unique eye-monster which we don't have that much yet...
D&D never did anything with argus, they only named a creature (gibbering mouther wannabee) argos and that creature did nothing for argus as it wasn't related except for the eyes.
Also I don't understand why people want creatures that are almost 100% clones in appearance or behavior to other creatures... (mosasaur - Tylosaur for example) those would be just waste of pages and I rather see very different creatures that hasn't been done before by Pathfinder, Argus, Jackalope and a magnetic creature being some of them, and in the case of dinosaurs-and-such-creatures; Therizinosaurus, Dunkleosteus and Gorgonopsid, Dunkleosteus being the one I really want most as its such a horrible creature to watch even, the gorgon from the sea.
Anyway I really would like a toad-creature that resembles the toad from south america which carries the toadlings on her back, these beasts can be turned into monsters pretty easy.
1) YOu can turn the toadlings on its back into piranha-like toadlings that spawn from its back and eat everything in a swarm attack.
2) The toad-mother can be like the Deepspawn from D&D, it spawns everything (in smaller copies) it eats into small armies.
3) It spawns a totally different creature from its back, like toadling-bat things that fly.
Also that fish that keeps its brood inside its maw can be turned into something awesome.
Also you can do a lot of awesome things with previous misfit monsters such as Ravid, Al-mi'raj and Witherstench.
EDIT: Also the Lorelei creature from Castlevania would be awesome!
Is it wrong to hope for some sort of Dire Pistol Shrimp?...
Some kind of cactus monster too. Though I suppose if Awaken can be cast on trees, then it can probably be cast on cacti as well.
Also narwhals (because... Narwhals)
And a Yeti Crab would be cool if made giant.
Some kind of cactus monster too. Though I suppose if Awaken can be cast on trees, then it can probably be cast on cacti as well.
With that logic we can have no more monsters because those boring templates can be used to create anything you want yourself... bye bye bestiaries...
of course there need to be Cacti-monsters in the new products, if that spell can be used to create treants what use would the quickroot and hangman tree have? They are in bestiaries too so an original cacti monster would be awesome, no spell needed. I don't understand that some very familiar-to-wyverns would make it but a cacti monster can be created by template/spell combination and so wouldn't get a own page.
+1 on the Pistol Shrimp (magical version not dire) and Magical Narwhals and Yeti Crabs.
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I am hoping to see a hexewolf in Bestiary 4. Think a wolfman with a paralytic gaze and the ability to drain away parts of your soul. Also in Brittany there is a legend that the last person who dies in a parish for the year becomes a psychopomp and is responsible for making sure everyone who dies in the next year gets to where they should go. Something like that would be an awesome undead, particularly when you wonder what would happen if the last person to die in the year was a serial killer or other evil being.
I would love a playable dragon race, fey race, plant race, etc. but at least i have catfolk, kitsune, damphir, and changelings.
You, sir, will be well served by the Advanced Race Guide.
Also the Lorelei creature from Castlevania would be awesome!
Since you called this out specifically (and I apparently can't keep my mouth shut), I came across Castlevania's version of the lorelei a few months ago and it has weighed heavily on my Bestiary lists through all of Skull & Shackles. As cool as the game's representation is, though, there's no folkoric precedence for this creature (which is really just a dangerous rock on the Rhine) to be a big fish with a girl lure. That said, the stories surrounding the lorelei are pretty interesting even by themselves. So expect a lorelei by the end of Skull & Shackles, but don't expect it to bear much of a resemblance to the one from the game.
I also want a squirrel like race.
definitivly
I think we will be able to make a squirrel race with the Advanced races guide but I do miss the Kercpa from my second edition days.
Ah Castlevania what a great place for monsters you are.
I would still like a playable fey race or two. One race that is a race of fey and another would be fey blooded humans.
I would like to see more Lizards I love the Shocker Lizard but I would love a Flaming Lizard even more.
Idk if this is covered but a Dogperson we already have cat in 3 why not dog/wolf etc.
The thing from jeepers creepers would be cool
Scarab Swarm
A pick eating lock would be annoying
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Ah Castlevania what a great place for monsters you are.
Abbadon would certainly make good inspiration for a demon or devil of some sort.
Some kind of cactus monster too. Though I suppose if Awaken can be cast on trees, then it can probably be cast on cacti as well.With that logic we can have no more monsters because those boring templates can be used to create anything you want yourself... bye bye bestiaries...
of course there need to be Cacti-monsters in the new products, if that spell can be used to create treants what use would the quickroot and hangman tree have? They are in bestiaries too so an original cacti monster would be awesome, no spell needed. I don't understand that some very familiar-to-wyverns would make it but a cacti monster can be created by template/spell combination and so wouldn't get a own page.
+1 on the Pistol Shrimp (magical version not dire) and Magical Narwhals and Yeti Crabs.
That's why I want a cactus monster, because it is possible with Awaken, but I'd prefer to have an actual monster for it.
In the last couple of bestiaries, we've had just about all of the planes having representatives except the Plane of Dreams (unless, of course, you count some of the denizens of Lovecraft's Dreamlands). I think it'd be cool to see some denizens of the Plane of Dreams. We could call them the Oneiroi (oneiros for single), named after the Greek beings of Dreams. Something based on dreams should be a shapershifter, I think. I imagine the Changeling from DnD's Eberron with some illusion abilities and maybe even dream eating abilities, like the Baku. I can imagine they get trapped in the Material Plane by being in someone's dream as they wake up. Possibly a 0 HD creature, though definitely not a balanced playable race. I just like the idea of creatures from the dream realms and think it'd be awesome.
Bakeneko the goblin two-tail golden cat from asian mythology, perfect house kittens for Rakshasa, they can turn into a three-faced demonic cat monster aswel.
Since you called this out specifically (and I apparently can't keep my mouth shut), I came across Castlevania's version of the lorelei a few months ago and it has weighed heavily on my Bestiary lists through all of Skull & Shackles. As cool as the game's representation is, though, there's no folkoric precedence for this creature (which is really just a dangerous rock on the Rhine) to be a big fish with a girl lure. That said, the stories surrounding the lorelei are pretty interesting even by themselves. So expect a lorelei by the end of Skull & Shackles, but don't expect it to bear much of a resemblance to the one from the game.
Cool, any Lorelei will do, I really love the lorelei name, but I hope its evil not good like in the true legend... Personally I hope you give the Lorelei a pathfinder-twist to it because we already have Rusalka, Sirens and Harpies for luring men to watery graves... Maybe turn her into half fish half human, but use a very exotic fish for this or maybe even a seahorse-lower body, can't remember if we have such creatures yet.
Anyway the monster from Castlevania can be made with another name in the future can't it?
I also remember a frog monster in one game with a female-made-from-light-lure thing much like a angler fish, much like a will o wisp/rusalka attached to a frog monster. That would be an awesome monsters aswel in bestiaries!
I can't wait for Skull & Shackles!!
Not for the bestiary 4 wishlist but for the Adventure path-art wishlist.
I hope these critters get new cool artworks in the future adventure paths!! (as their current bestiary art is kinda less attractive than many of the other bestiary artwork or i'm just curious at more art from them.) I hope the art will be without landscape only the creature surrounded by white as I like those artworks best!
Ankheg - Giant Ant - Bombardier Beetle (none of yet)- Choker - Babau - Balor - Hezrou!! (never seen really good art from those)- Ghawwas - Devourer - Doppelganger - Crystal Dragon - Dragonfly - Duergar - Frost Giant - Giant Mantis - Dark Naga - Peryton - Remorhaz (without background) - Thunderbird (without background) - Thoqqua - Winter Wolf (none of yet) - Yellow Musk Creeper (with bigger and brighter flowers)
I'd like to see a sort of skeletal champion, juju zombie equivalent for petitioners like an Einherjar template or something of that sort.
Namazu would be sweet for the new series of Adventure Path (the one with the pirates of course)
This giant catfish creates earthquakes everywhere, I prefer them large or huge, not as large as a continent tho... that would be insane of course, I never like gigantic creatures and a large catfish that creates very dangerous earthslides, earthquakes and such things is dangerous enough, it don't have to be exactly like in the real myth to make this creature work.
ALso: WE WANT SOME LOVE FROM YOU PAIZO!!
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=namazu#/d 3hqr0i
Greetz Bakeneko & Namazu
I always thought of the Einherjar as mortals turned into outsiders, especially since undead are always evil(except ghosts) in pathfinder.
I would like the Nekomata and Bakeneko.
I always thought of the Einherjar as mortals turned into outsiders, especially since undead are always evil(except ghosts) in pathfinder.
I would like the Nekomata and Bakeneko.
Well, yes, Einherjar would be Outsiders like regular petitioners. I mean an equivalent to those templates in that the Einherjar would retain they're skills from life.
After Jade Regent will there still be asian-monsters in the future products? I truly hope so!
If and when a bestairy 4 comes out, I am sure there will at least be some, more than likely noy as many as bestairy 3.
As for the next AP, unless it fits the theme of the AP, I doubt it.
More ideas:
Giant flying manta rays
Trash golems
Seahorses (Potentially as lesser dragons)
And more denizens of Hell. (The Abyss has TONS of support compared to Hell...)
Sea Horses and Manta monsters have high potentional in the new Pirate Adventure path books coming soon.
Jelly Golems! Constructs with several Ooze traits (Split, acid damage, and not subject to critical hits/flanking/sneak attacks)
A handful of those suddenly grows into an army when the swords start swinging, and an unaware PC may not realize that it isn't a good idea to slash it.
Jelly Golem sounds awesome. I'd like an Ooze Skeleton so I can call him Skeleton Jelly...
Actually, I got this idea from a webcomic awhile ago...
Essentially, a wand golem. Every time it moves, a random spell shoots out from it. Whenever it hits, there's a chance a spell will go off. It'd take a bit of work, but I think it'd be fun.
The Dhabba from Dark Markets. Somehow their spit has made it into the core rules, but not the rest of them...
oooh, and how about a flying variant that glides like a flying squirrel. I mean who doesn't like the idea of flying jackals?
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Another thought: I'd like to see a clockwork template. Something that can be added to any corporeal creature potentially.
Mostly I want it to help expand on the potential of the Clicking Caverns and the Pan Majang necropolis which are hinted at, but mostly glossed over in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer. All it really suggests is a clockwork Nagaji cyborg... Thing, and several mysterious monsters somewhere between clockwork and undead. It's because of that variety that I thought a template would be a good idea. Not to mention that we've got a few clockwork creatures, but not really enough to make a proper dungeon out of them yet.
Plus, it basically gives us the means to create cyborgs. Which I want. A lot.
I rather don't see automaticon-monsters anymore in future bestiaries, they are kinda out of place me thinks, the Interlocutor Kyton is the only creature that I liked being partly mechanical... I really dislike the Clockworks and Automatons...
Jelly Golem is already in Tome of Horrors 2 or 3, its called the gelatinous golem if i'm not mistaken :p
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I rather don't see automaticon-monsters anymore in future bestiaries, they are kinda out of place me thinks, the Interlocutor Kyton is the only creature that I liked being partly mechanical... I really dislike the Clockworks and Automatons...
Jelly Golem is already in Tome of Horrors 2 or 3, its called the gelatinous golem if i'm not mistaken :p
Then you should support the template idea. One shot and it'd done, but for those who DO want clockwork robots, they would have 4 Bestiaries (and a Tome of Horrors: Complete) full of mechanical monsters.
I know I should think about other peoples desires aswel, but I want a bestairy 4 that I would like not others, so while I don't mind it I rather don't have such creatures in the books of course, like most people here don't want Argus and other such creatures in the books. :p
These are the monsters I rather not see anymore, but of course I respect others wishes I just don't like them at all in monster books, they are non-read-skip-pages for me personally.
- Robot Monsters (clockworks and others)
- Monsters with guns (pale Stranger)
- Templates (in all forms and sizes, I hope they get their own book)
- Futuristic Monsters (I hate the hippopotamus-like Giff with all my heart)
- Godlike monsters with multiple very-different powers. (for example a creature that controls magnetizm, fire and gravity all in one and being gargantuan size, Jean Grey monsters.)
- Extremly silly looking monsters (such as the Grootslang)
- Animal Planet Animals such as Squirrels, horses and normal Skunks, animals that you can encounter in real life. (they deserve their own book aswel, they are just not monsters for a monster book.)
- Humanoid Undead (I like them, but there are enough of them already), Azata (never liked them) & Qlippoth (too chaotic for me).
The groups I really want to expand futher are:
Undead - But more non-humanoid forms.
Devils - Daemons - Demons - Div. - Asura
There can never be enough Fey, Plants, Magical Vermin, Magical Animals, Oozes, Outsiders and Aberrations!
Non Golem Contstructs.
ALL monsters from folklore, mythology and fantasy stories, but not the extremly silly ones such as Grootslang.
Monsters from the Adventure Path, Tome of Horrors and other such books, always handy to have them in a huge collection instead of seperate over 100 books.
More Angels, Archons and Agathion
More beasts and monsters taken from fantasy movies and stories such as Alice in Wonderland and The Wiz of Oz.
Beasts from other games which are legal to use, Quest for Glory, Castlevania, Kings Quest and many others for example.
More monsters that are related to Devils, Demons and such, such as Baregare, Nightmare, Hellcats, Achaerai and Cerberi.
More Sea-based monsters.
More mantis and wasp monsters.
MOre creatures based on elements.
Giant bodypart monsters such as Crawling Hands, Vargouilles and monsters based on other parts.
Skeleton Jelly man... I am Skeleton Jelly!
I rather don't see automaticon-monsters anymore in future bestiaries, they are kinda out of place me thinks, the Interlocutor Kyton is the only creature that I liked being partly mechanical... I really dislike the Clockworks and Automatons...
I totally get personal preference, but there's still the problem that they've now created a place in their official setting that's filled with clockwork undead without really creating a way to handle that in the bestiaries. Which is why what Kthulhu said is a good point, a template is a "one shot and you're done" solution, and it only fills 2 pages, which I get the impression would please anyone who doesn't like mechanical monsters more than designing dozens of new ones would.
Jelly Golem is already in Tome of Horrors 2 or 3, its called the gelatinous golem if i'm not mistaken :p
I need to buy Tome of Horrors already... It aggravates me to no end that my local game store won't stock it (owner has something against ToH >_>).
There can never be enough Fey
You're my new favourite person for saying this. Just letting you know. :D
I definitely want more Fey too. And potentially more tough ones. They seem to be one of the few groups of monsters that's well-represented at low CRs but then dwindles at high CRs rather than the other way around.
Yes. While a specific AP might have a particular cultural theme, a cool monster is a cool monster. So just as you've seen plenty of Indian, Gaellic, Mezoamerican, (etc, etc) monsters, expect to see more in the future.
Honestly, I've kind of avoided doing Asian monsters in Pathfinder Bestiaries before Jade Regent just because Asian elements in RPGs can be somewhat polarizing. But now that the lid's off, expect more. In fact, I've got one or two in the works for Skull & Shackles already.
Jelly Golems! Constructs with several Ooze traits (Split, acid damage, and not subject to critical hits/flanking/sneak attacks)
A handful of those suddenly grows into an army when the swords start swinging, and an unaware PC may not realize that it isn't a good idea to slash it.
Gross. Cool. Gross.
Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.
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Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.
That could be a cool race to go a bit sideways with, as Golarion did with the Goblins, and make them less straight-up conversions of 3.X, and more unusual. I'd love for Formians to be present on the outer planes *but not outsiders,* being an expansive race that has moved into the planes, but isn't 'made out of spirits' or anything, being more of a 'mortal' race capable of eating, breeding, etc.
The mention of 'wasp-formians' inhabiting floating lighter-than-air 'hives' in The Great Beyond was also very inspiring.
Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.That could be a cool race to go a bit sideways with, as Golarion did with the Goblins, and make them less straight-up conversions of 3.X, and more unusual. I'd love for Formians to be present on the outer planes *but not outsiders,* being an expansive race that has moved into the planes, but isn't 'made out of spirits' or anything, being more of a 'mortal' race capable of eating, breeding, etc.
The mention of 'wasp-formians' inhabiting floating lighter-than-air 'hives' in The Great Beyond was also very inspiring.
Well, since they are more related to the faeries of Irish mythology, I think it'd make since to make them Fey. Perhaps they are giants of the First World/Feywild/etc. Maybe they are enemies of other, more Norse based giants or perhaps even their progenitors.
I'd actually really like to see a Goliath like race in Pathfinder. I really have always loved 'musclehead' races like half orcs and goliaths.
Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.That could be a cool race to go a bit sideways with, as Golarion did with the Goblins, and make them less straight-up conversions of 3.X, and more unusual. I'd love for Formians to be present on the outer planes *but not outsiders,* being an expansive race that has moved into the planes, but isn't 'made out of spirits' or anything, being more of a 'mortal' race capable of eating, breeding, etc.
The mention of 'wasp-formians' inhabiting floating lighter-than-air 'hives' in The Great Beyond was also very inspiring.
Well, since they are more related to the faeries of Irish mythology, I think it'd make since to make them Fey. Perhaps they are giants of the First World/Feywild/etc. Maybe they are enemies of other, more Norse based giants or perhaps even their progenitors.
I'd actually really like to see a Goliath like race in Pathfinder. I really have always loved 'musclehead' races like half orcs and goliaths.
Not Fomorians, Formians. Lawful-neutral ant person outsiders.
Not Fomorians, Formians. Lawful-neutral ant person outsiders.Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.That could be a cool race to go a bit sideways with, as Golarion did with the Goblins, and make them less straight-up conversions of 3.X, and more unusual. I'd love for Formians to be present on the outer planes *but not outsiders,* being an expansive race that has moved into the planes, but isn't 'made out of spirits' or anything, being more of a 'mortal' race capable of eating, breeding, etc.
The mention of 'wasp-formians' inhabiting floating lighter-than-air 'hives' in The Great Beyond was also very inspiring.
Well, since they are more related to the faeries of Irish mythology, I think it'd make since to make them Fey. Perhaps they are giants of the First World/Feywild/etc. Maybe they are enemies of other, more Norse based giants or perhaps even their progenitors.
I'd actually really like to see a Goliath like race in Pathfinder. I really have always loved 'musclehead' races like half orcs and goliaths.
Oh... them... well yeah, I guess we have bee people so ant people would be interesting.
Although Fomorians and Firbolgs would be awesome as well. You can never have enough Celtic/Irish monsters.
1000% agree
Yes. While a specific AP might have a particular cultural theme, a cool monster is a cool monster. So just as you've seen plenty of Indian, Gaellic, Mezoamerican, (etc, etc) monsters, expect to see more in the future.
Honestly, I've kind of avoided doing Asian monsters in Pathfinder Bestiaries before Jade Regent just because Asian elements in RPGs can be somewhat polarizing. But now that the lid's off, expect more. In fact, I've got one or two in the works for Skull & Shackles already.
Please please please let it be the Namazu! It so famous on television shows (especially those about fishing with Jeremy Wayde) and in asian-based computer games such as Lufia and Zelda.
There aren't much catfish monsters to go by, the only one I can think off is Aboleth and that is more like a mutant-catfish... A normal giant catfish is a bit boring so the master-of-earthquakes would be cool, especially for a sea-based adventure path! :p
I would be very curious how Pathfinder would do the artwork for this beast aswel!
There is a carp(Sujin) type Kami in AP#52.
I would be interested to see what Pathfinder's versions of the Fomorians and Firbolgs would be like.
There is a carp(Sujin) type Kami in AP#52.
I would be interested to see what Pathfinder's versions of the Fomorians and Firbolgs would be like.
I think carps are boring, they aren't anything like the much more dangerous Catfish, they are good and cute and not monstrous, powerful and evil like the Namazu which I prefer a 100 times over any Kami.
I would also like Firbolgs. Fomorians are those ugly D&D giants right? Never liked them...
Will there ever be Formian stats? They keep getting mentions, as recently as Jade Regent #5, but no Bestiary or Pathfinder entries at all.
Almost as if they've been avoiding them... as if they've relegated them to the same list as ethereal filchers. But then why would they keep mentioning them? Could they have plots for these creatures? Be purposefully saving them even? But why, or for what? Ponder, ponder.
I think carps are boring, they aren't anything like the much more dangerous Catfish, they are good and cute and not monstrous, powerful and evil like the Namazu which I prefer a 100 times over any Kami.
Sorry dude, it's not the namazu (though he is on the list, especially after I read a fantastic article about him on Pink Tentacle before that site went tsunami dead).
The candiru is the gatekeeper to the world of catfish terror, so until I get those little guys in print, no other catfishes allowed!*
(*Maybe. Until I change my mind. We'll see.)