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If they do stat them up I hope that Grendal(and his mother) would be monstrous humaniods.


Grendels could be like Heroes of might and magic behemoths and should be medusarized, so not an unique creature but a race, like they did with medusa and minotaur for example.

His mother appears different in every story I see/read/hear about grendel... sometimes a dragon, sometimes a succubus and sometimes something worse, so they can make her a level 15 unique monster


Here a list with many (tho its missing the Hyakume eye monster and the Bisan wasp shapeshifters) japanese monsters!

all the japanese monsters that you'll ever need!

Favorite missing ones:

Bakeneko - A shape-shifting cat.

Heikegani - Crabs with human-faced shells. They are the spirits of the warriors killed in the Battle of Dan-no-ura.

Hō-ō - The legendary Fenghuang bird of China.

Isonade - A fish-like sea monster with a barb-covered tail.

Jishin-namazu - The giant catfish that causes earthquakes and tsunami. It was blamed during the Ansei quake & tsunami

Jubokko - A vampire tree.

Kamaitachi - The slashing sickle-clawed weasel that haunts the mountains.

Komainu - The pair of lion-dogs that guard the entrances of temples.

Konaki-jiji - This Yokai disguises itself as an abandoned baby then cries until someone picks it up.

Nekomata - A Bakeneko with a split tail.

Ōmukade - Giant, human-eating centipede that lives in the mountains

Tamamo-no-Mae - A wicked nine-tailed fox.

Tsuchigumo - A giant spider that was defeated by Minamoto no Raikō

Tsuchinoko - A legendary serpentine monster. It is now a cryptid resembling a fat snake.

Ungaikyo - A possessed mirror. (bye bye nerra and fetch)

Zennyo Ryūō - A rain-making dragon.


Found this list on internet:

All cool dark and evil monsters from all kinds of cultures!

Gotta catch (and paizonize) them all!!!

A ~
Abassy (Yaktus) - Demons that have teeth of iron.
Abarimon (Medieval) - Savage humanoid with backwards feet.
Acheri (Indian) - Disease bringing ghost.
Aerico (Macedonian) - Disease demon.
Afanc (Welsh) - Lake monster.
Aitu (Polynesian) - Malevolent spirits or demons.
Ajatar (Finish) - Dragon
Akuma (Japanese) - Evil Spirit.
Akurojin-no-hi (Japanese) - Ghostly flame which causes disease.
Al (Armenian and Persian) - Spirit that steals unborn babies and livers from pregnant women.
Ala (Slavic) - Bad weather demon.
Alal (Chaldean) - Demon.
Allu (Akkadian and Sumerian) - Faceless demon.
Almas (Mongolian) - Savage humanoid.
Alom-bag-winno-sis (Abenaki) - Little people and tricksters.
Alp (German) - Male night-demon.
Alp-luachra (Irish) - Parasitic fairy.
Alû (Assyrian) - Leprous demon.
Amanojaku (Japanese) - Small demon.
Amazake-babaa (Japanese) - Disease-causing hag.
Amemasu (Ainu) - Lake monster.
Aobōzu (Japanese) - Blue monk who kidnaps children.
Ardat-Lili (Akkadian) - Disease demon.
Asag (Sumerian) - Hideous rock demon.
Asakku (Sumerian) - Demon.
Asiman (Dahomey) - Vampiric possession spirit.
Azukibabaa (Japanese) - Bean-grinding hag who devours people.

B ~
Backoo (Guyanese) - Malevolent little people.
Bagiennik (Slavic) - Malevolent water spirit.
Bakhtak (Iranian) - Night demon.
BasCelik (Serbian) - A powerful and very evil winged man.
Batibat (Philippine) - Female night-demon.
Baubas (Lithuanian) - Malevolent spirit.
Bies (Slavic) - Demon.
Black Dog (British) - Canine death spirit.
Bloody Bones (Irish) - Water bogeyman.
Boggart (English) - Malevolent household spirit.
Bogle (Scottish) - Malevolent spirit.
Boo Hag (American Folklore) - Vampire-like creature that steals energy from sleeping victims.
Bozaloshtsh (Slavic) - Death spirit.

C ~
Cacus (Roman) - Fire-breathing giant.
Candileja (Colombian) - Spectral, fiery hag.
Canaima (Guyanese) - Were-jaguar.
Căpcăun (Romanian) - Large, monstrous humanoid.
Chindi (Navajo) - Vengeful ghosts that cause dust devils.
Chromandi (Medieval Bestiary) - Hairy savages with dog teeth.
Churel (Hindu) - Vampiric, female ghost.
Cuco (Latin America) - Bogeyman.
Cucuy (Latin America) - Malevolent spirit.
Cuegle (Cantabrian) - Monstrous, three-armed humanoid.
Cyhyraeth (Welsh) - Death spirit.

D ~
Danava (Hindu) - Water demon.
Dip (Catalan) - Demonic and vampiric dog.
Dipsa (Medieval Bestiaries) - Extremely poisonous snake.
Drude (German) - Possessing demon.
Dzunukwa (Kwakwaka'wakw) - Child-eating hag.

E & F ~
Ekek (Philippine) - Flesh-eating, winged humanoids.
Erlking (Germanic) - Death spirit.

G ~
Gallu (Mesopotamian) - Underworld demons.
Goryō (Japanese) - Vengeful ghosts, usually of martyrs.
Gumiho (Korean mythology)- A demon fox with thousands of tails.
Gwyllion (Welsh) - Malevolent spirit.

H & I ~
Hantu Demon (Philippine) - Demon.
Hundun (Chinese) - Chaos spirit.
Hypnalis (Medieval Bestiary) - Snake that kills its victims in their sleep.

J ~
Jack-In-Irons (English) - Malevolent giant.
Jatayu (Hindu mythology) - A demi-god who has the form of a vulture.
Jaud (Slavic) - Vampirised premature baby.
Jenglot (Java) - Vampiric little people.
Jikininki (Japanese) - Corpse-eating ghost.
Jumbee (Guyanese) - Malevolent spirit.

K ~
Kallikantzaroi (Greek) - Grotesque, malevolent spirit.
Kigatilik (Inuit) - Night-demon.
Kijo (Japanese) - She-devil.
Konaki-Jijii (Japanese) - Infant that cries until it is picked up, then increases its weight and crushes its victim.
Krasue (Southeast Asian) - Vampiric, floating head.
Kumakatok (Philippine) - Death spirits.
Kupua (Hawaiian) - Shapeshifting tricksters.
Kyūketsuki (Japanese) - Vampire.

L ~
La-bar-tu (Assyrian) - Disease demon.
Leanashe (Irish) - Possessing spirit or vampire.
Lilin (Jewish) - Night-demoness.
Lilitu (Assyrian) - Winged demon.
Loogaroo (French America) - Shapeshifting, female vampire.
Luison (Guaraní) - Death spirit.

M ~
Mara (Scandinavian folklore) - Female night-demon.
Marabbecca (Italian folklore) - Malevolent water spirit.
Maro deivės (Lithuanian mythology) - Disease spirits.
Mazikeen (Jewish mythology) - Invisible, malevolent spirit.
Mbwiri (Central Africa) - Possessing demon.
Minka Bird (Australian Aboriginal mythology) - Death spirit.
Mogwai (Chinese mythology) - Vengeful ghost or demon.
Mormolykeia (Greek) - Underworld spirit.
Moroi (Romanian) - Vampiric ghost.
Muldjewangk (Australian Aboriginal mythology) - Water monster.
Muma Pădurii (Romanian folklore) - Forest-dwelling hag.

N ~
Nasnas (Arabian) - Half-human, half-demon creature with half a body.
Nawao (Hawaiian) - Savage humanoid.
Nu Gui (Chinese) - Vengeful female ghos.
Nukekubi (Japanese) - Disembodied, flying head that attacks people.

O ~
Obayifo (Ashanti) - Vampiric possession spirit.
Oiwa (Japanese) - Ghost of a woman with a distorted face who was murdered by her husband.
Ole-Higue (Guyanese) - Vampiric hag who takes the form of a fireball at night.
Ōmukade (Japanese) - Giant, human-eating centipede that lives in the mountains.
Onoskelis (Greek) - Shapeshifting demon.
Onryō (Japanese) - Vengeful ghost that manifests in physical (rather than spectral) form.
Ördög (Hungarian) - Shapeshifting demon.
Ovinnik (Slavic) - Malevolent threshing house spirit.

P ~
Pesanta (Catalan) - Nightmare demon in the form of a cat or dog.
Peuchen (Chilota and Mapuche) - Vampiric, flying, shapeshifting serpent.
Pollo Maligno (Colombian) - Man-eating chicken spirit.
Pontianak (Malay) - Undead, vampiric women who died in childbirth.
Púki (Icelandic) - malevolent little person.
Pūķis (Latvian) - Malevolent house spirit.

Q & R ~
Qliphoth (Jewish) - Evil spirits.
Rabisu (Akkadian) - Vampiric spirit that ambushes people.
Ragana (Lithuanian) - Malevolent wizard.

S ~
Shedim (Jewish) - Chicken-legged demon.
Shtriga (Albanian) - An evil or dangerous witch.
Sigbin (Philippine) - Goat-like vampire/
Soucouyant (Trinidad and Tobago) - Vampiric hag who takes the form of a fireball at night.
Spearfinger (Cherokee) - Sharp-fingered hag.
Strigoi (Romanian) - Vampire.
Strzyga (Slavic) - Vampiric undead.
Stuhać (Slavic) - Malevolent mountain spirit.
Sunakake-baba (Japanese) - Sand-throwing hag.

T ~
Tartaruchi (Christian) - Demonic punisher.
Tavara (Trabzon) - Night-demon.
Tibicena (Canarian) - Evil Dog.
Tiyanak (Philippine) - Malevolent spirit in the form of a human infant.
Tlahuelpuchi (Tlaxcalan) - Shapeshifting vampire.
Trenti (Cantabrian) - Diminutive demon.
Tripurasura (Hindu) - Demonic inhabitants of Tripura.
Tsi-noo (Abenaki) - Vampiric demon.
Tugarin Zmeyevich (Slavic) - Evil shapeshifter.

U & V ~
Vârcolac (Romanian) - Vampire or werewolf.
Vetala (Hindu) - Corpses possessed by vampiric spirits.

W & X ~
Wekufe (Mapuche) - Demon.
Wirry-cow (Scottish) - Malevolent spirit.

Y ~
Yadōkai (Japanese) - Malevolent, nocturnal spirit.
Yagyō-san (Japanese) - Demon who rides through the night on a headless horse.
Yakshi (Keralite) - Vampire.
Yakubyō-gami (Japanese) - Disease and misfortune spirit.
Yama-bito (Japanese) - Savage, mountain-dwelling humanoid.
Yama-uba (Japanese) - Malevolent, mountain-dwelling hag.
Yara-ma-yha-who (Australian Aboriginal) - Diminutive, sucker-fingered vampire.
Yomotsu-shikome (Japanese) - Underworld hag.


wow, nice list.

Though I can see some overlap of folklore
i.e. Kitsune (Japanese) and Gumiho (Korean) are both Nine-tailed foxes
though the Korean one goes from red fox-> white fox -> Gumiho


Do you have a link for that list? curious as I am not familiar with some of them.

A good chunk of these have already been turned into Paizo monsters. Off the top of my head, Ala, Varcolac, Tripurasura, Soucouyant, and Qlippoth already exist as monsters or types of monsters. Vetala is confirmed for the Inner Sea Bestiary. The Bagiennik was statted up in the excellent Midgard bestiary


@ Azure_Zero - That would be good, cuz I don't like the Paizo Kitsune very much, first of all its good and second of all its a humanoid, I rather see some 9 tailed fox creature without humanoid form, where the fox multi-tailed body is permanent, the Gumiho could be that creature, while the kitsune stays the same.

MMCJawa - I forget where I found it but google is your friend :p

Anyway Varcolac? Isn't that the vilcasis creature? or the spirit werewolf that takes controll over animals and turns them agressive?

Ala is in another book tho, not in a pathfinder material book, I only collect pathfinder books.

I don't think they are the same Qlippoth and the Qliphoth (Jewish) - Evil spirits but I could be wrong!

From this list I really like the Jack in Iron creature, could be some nice iron-based new giant!

Missing the Buggane tho, an evil mole-based giant should be cool in the list.

@MMC here is the list you asked for:
List of Dark folklore creatures.

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Sincubus wrote:
Ala is in another book tho, not in a pathfinder material book, I only collect pathfinder books.

That seems a bit odd to me, since you've previously stated that you do not play the game. Why limit yourself to a single class of monster books, when the thing that sets that class asside is something that you don't really care about?

If I had to list my top three monster books, you wouldn't find a single Pathfinder stat in them.

1. Malleus Monstrorum (Call of Cthulhu)
2. Tome of Horrors Complete (S&W Edition)
3. Book of Unremitting Horror (GUMSHOE Edition)


@Sincubus
I think paizo was looking at more of one aspect of the folklore around the Kistune, mainly that it took on human form.
Though I do think they should have went closer to the folklore*,
I can see why game wise they went with what they did.

And looking at the folklore of Kistune and Gumiho both are really close.

*(The Huldra was close to its folklore, but I noted a few key differences)


The Hala Demon statted up in AP #49 is the same thing as an Ala, Hala is just an alternative spelling. The same monster was also statted up differently in the Midgard Bestiary using the name Ala. Both are based on the same folklore however.

Qlippoth and Qlipoth are the same...I think James Jacob has said they modified the Qlipoth name to use as the basis for the ancient demon predecessors.

Only glanced at the Varcolac briefly in the AP I saw. It did seem a bit different from the original creature, which I always thought would make a good undead werewolf.

As someone who is not actively playing in any sort of game and pretty much also just is buying the books for the fluff/monster content (at the moment...Paizo Game Space will hopefully let me play more), Open Design books are worth a look. Most of the Bestiary art in the Midgard Bestiary is up to snuff with Paizo artwork.

Thanks for the link...was hoping the names would be hyperlinked to something and be less work for me to look up each critter individually. Oh well :P


I'd like to put my vote in for more vile stuff.

I am a man who loves horror movies and death metal album cover art. I like monsters that are vile and disgusting.

I once made up my own undead monster that basically puked maggot swarms out of its mouth every few rounds and exploded into a cloud of flies on death.

I went into so much detail about the rotting corpse I literally turned one of my player's stomachs.

As much as I love inventing these things myself, I'd love to see some other people try to design vile and disgusting monsters.


Kthulhu wrote:
Sincubus wrote:
Ala is in another book tho, not in a pathfinder material book, I only collect pathfinder books.

That seems a bit odd to me, since you've previously stated that you do not play the game. Why limit yourself to a single class of monster books, when the thing that sets that class asside is something that you don't really care about?

If I had to list my top three monster books, you wouldn't find a single Pathfinder stat in them.

1. Malleus Monstrorum (Call of Cthulhu)
2. Tome of Horrors Complete (S&W Edition)
3. Book of Unremitting Horror (GUMSHOE Edition)

I do play the game, not as dungeon master tho, so having those books doesn't make sense other than to have the books for a collection.

And I don't like black&white art.. so they don't apply to me, and if I limit myself only to D&D and pathfinder it is much cheaper and nicer, otherwise it becomes to chaotic with all those different stuff, I do have tome of horrors tho.


MMCJawa wrote:

The Hala Demon statted up in AP #49 is the same thing as an Ala, Hala is just an alternative spelling. The same monster was also statted up differently in the Midgard Bestiary using the name Ala. Both are based on the same folklore however.

Qlippoth and Qlipoth are the same...I think James Jacob has said they modified the Qlipoth name to use as the basis for the ancient demon predecessors.

Only glanced at the Varcolac briefly in the AP I saw. It did seem a bit different from the original creature, which I always thought would make a good undead werewolf.

As someone who is not actively playing in any sort of game and pretty much also just is buying the books for the fluff/monster content (at the moment...Paizo Game Space will hopefully let me play more), Open Design books are worth a look. Most of the Bestiary art in the Midgard Bestiary is up to snuff with Paizo artwork.

Thanks for the link...was hoping the names would be hyperlinked to something and be less work for me to look up each critter individually. Oh well :P

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Hala and Ala, I could have known, but the one in the midgard beastiary is a hag that grows out of treants? The one from pathfinder is a demon?

I really like the idea of vilcasis (undead werewolf) its much like the burning effigy from the monster manual 2 (3rd edition)only the vilcasis controlls wild animals.

And Azure_Zero that is what I like about pathfinder they can give two very close creatures (such as the Kitsune and its Gumiho brother) very different roles, in this case the kitsune being the humanoid shapeshifter, the Gumiho being the nasty curse-inflicting 9 (or more)fox monster.

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During some folklore browsing this afternoon I came across the pontianak, a neat vampire critter out of Indonesian myth. I bet Paizo could do a fun take on them.

Speaking of vampires, elder and more powerful strains. Old World of Darkness and Anne Rice style ancients. Dicefreaks did some neat templates for them that were more than just higher numbers, but I'm sure an official Paizo take would be fantastic. (Maybe something for a mythic bestiary?)

Also, wolfweres! This classic Ravenloft monster should continue to live.


I tought Wolfweres were closed content but if they aren't then I would love to see them again.


Well sometimes looking up up things on list of creatures gets results:

This person has statted up a list of monsters from mythology/folklore...some are things I am not familiar with but would make good ideas for Pathfinder monsters (even if statted/fluffed up differently)

http://bigballofnofun.blogspot.com/2011/04/mythic-monsters-acheri.html

Also...Archeri were on Supernatural? something that mainstream to show up on a TV show certainly deserves a place in Golarion.


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Everything Sincubus said above and more Tane. We can never have enough Tane.


following Sincubus' link got me to the following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abenaki_mythology

Some interesting ideas if Paizo ever fleshes out Arcadia more


Sickle Weasel - This creatures should have been in the bestiary 1... can't believe it didn't appear yet...
Scarab beetles - Swarm of flesh eating golden scarab beetles.
Cacus - Some fire creature that sets everything on fire so the fires can feed.
Heikegani - some cursed samurai warriors turned into lobster-like creatures.
Cherufe - Some giant magma monster which needs sacrifices in its vulcano.
Alp Luachra - Some parasitic fairy that eats the food from your stumic.
Petsuchos - Lightbeam crocodile from egypt
Afanc - Beaver/crocodile
Rat King - Some nasty giant rat creature that can split up into a rat swarm.
Procoptodon - Gigantic kangaroos
Teumessian Fox - Very hard to catch giant black fox.
Eurynomous - Ghouls coated in black feathers, more nasty than ghouls, ghouls of the underground.
Alastor - spirit sword/animated sword creatures
Nightgaunt - shadow creatures
Hyakume - Eyeball monsters
Buggane - Mole monsters
Mercuran - Quicksilver/mercury creatures
Thorny - Cactus creatures
Black Willow - A nasty willow tree with a nasty dryad inside
Jubokko - A nasty vampire tree
Jack in Iron - Giant dressed in iron chains, armor and other stuff.
Bisan - Some nasty wasp female, that can shapeshift into female human form and demonic wasp form.
Mirror Fiend - The mirror spirit from asia, or maybe something like the nerra but much nastier.
Decarabia - The Fiendish starfish thing

AND the new star of the show!

SHEN! A giant clam creature that uses illusions to lure something inside of its maw.
Shen


Are quicklings based on the Sickle Weasel?
And are Kytons based (next to the hellraiser) based on Jack-In-Irons?

I rather see the sickle weasel and Jack-in-Irons tho.


I always assumed Quicklings are based on the quicksilver fairy from Germany, which has similar powers

Jack-In-Irons doesn't have much more than superficial similarity to the Kytons. Fairly certain, at least the Pathfinder version, is mostly Hellraiser.


MMCJawa wrote:

I always assumed Quicklings are based on the quicksilver fairy from Germany, which has similar powers

Jack-In-Irons doesn't have much more than superficial similarity to the Kytons. Fairly certain, at least the Pathfinder version, is mostly Hellraiser.

Cenobites.

Hellraiser was just the name of the movie, the creatures were cenobites.

I've always loved the portrayal of hell being a very Lawful Evil place with the devil being called "The Engineer" and such.


oh yeah I know the cenobites are the name of the creature...I was intentionally using the movie name.

It would be nice to see some more monsters based on modern horror movies/novels. Do we have any "IT" like clowns yet? The Fly from the 80's remake would also be cool.

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If you like the cenobites, you'll love the N’gathau (Tome of Horrors Complete).

It's been a long time since I read The Hellbound Heart, but I do know that in the second film, the "devil" / ruler of Hell is called Leviathan, not "The Engineer".


Kthulhu wrote:

If you like the cenobites, you'll love the N’gathau (Tome of Horrors Complete).

It's been a long time since I read The Hellbound Heart, but I do know that in the second film, the "devil" / ruler of Hell is called Leviathan, not "The Engineer".

In later movies they sometimes use Leviathan and The Engineer interchangeably.

Though I believe they've also been said to be separate entities.

Unfortunately cenobite lore is very fragmented due to Clive Barker not being involved in later movies.

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Eh...past the first two, they kind of became crap. Or at least the ones I've seen.


They go crap and then go back to being good.

Basically after 4 or 5 they stop focusing on the cenobites and go back to focusing on the sin/tribulations of the protagonist, as the original story intended.

I think it's the 5th one where you don't even see a cenobite full on until the last couple minutes of the movie.

In general, I like all the movies except the 3rd one.

That was definitely unforgivable.

A cenobite that throws CDs... need I say more?


I like the first movie, but the only other one I saw I think was maybe the third or so. All I remember was a cenobite that was a borgish camera-man fused with his camera.

I kind of want to see the N'gathau merged with the Kytons, although it has been awhile since I read there Tome of Horrors entry.

To keep on track, the City of Popolac would make a good inspiration for a Pathfinder monster, from the Clive Barker short story "In the Hills, the City". I am sure a 3.5 version inspired by this story exists, but not sure if a Pathfinder version exists.

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The third one is a guilty pleasure, if only for leering at a young Paula Marshall.


How many Hellraiser movies were there?

I would rather see the Leviathen as a very poerful sea monster or aquatic dragon like Final Fantasy then as a evil outsider.

"The Engineer" sounds like it would be a cool N or LN CR20+ unique outsider.

Buggane-I have been waiting for a mole monster for a while now.
Rat King-I would love something like that , also some large size giant rats would be nice as well.
Nightguants-well we will be getting them in shattered star.
Decarabia-I would love a starfish monster plus I liked him in the Shin Megami games.
Alp Luachra-I have asked for this one as well.
Thorny-would be nice to see this one again.
Jubboko-want please
Procoptodon-yes please
Alastor-I need more Castlevania monsters.
Teumessian Fox-been asking for this one.
Hyakuma-eyeball monsters, sounds interesting.
Bisan-hope this one will be a fey creature with the abilities it has.
Scarab Beetles(flesheating swarm)- I am sure we see this one eventually.
Mirror Fiend-a most needed niche, mirror based monsters.


There are 9 Hellraiser films plus speak of a remake.

Barker is trying (or maybe has succeeded, I haven't been following) to get the rights back so he can control it and make a "proper" Hellbound Heart film.

He never did like the movies much as he felt they focused too much on Pinhead.


MMCJawa wrote:

oh yeah I know the cenobites are the name of the creature...I was intentionally using the movie name.

It would be nice to see some more monsters based on modern horror movies/novels. Do we have any "IT" like clowns yet? The Fly from the 80's remake would also be cool.

It the clown = Aranea

Illusion using spider


Also the fly is pretty much handled by the Coloxus Demon (vanity demon) in the 3rd bestiary.


neither of those are a very good fit

Aranea are just a race of sentient illusion-weaving spiders. The "Deadlights" from It is an eldritch cosmic abomination that can physically shape shift into your worse fears, and likes to hang out in the form of a creepy as hell clown with lines like "We all float down here". And actually I was thinking more of the "clowns are creepy" vibe, not so much the shape-shifting spider (It's been a decade since I read the book, but the spider was more of a movie thing than in the book; If I recall correctly It's true form was something that can't really be easily comprehended by the human mind).

The coloxus looks like the original version of the Fly, but not so much like the creature from the Jeff Goldblum remake, which is much more monstrous in appearance.


The Bogeyman(CR10), an evil fey from the Bestiary 3 has the evil clown/evil circus ringleader vibe plus it has an aura of deepest fear.

Yeah I would like a creature like the 80's version of the fly(and fly 2).


Ramidreju

People always want Dire Ferrets and Weasels... but why? If you have the Ramidreju and Kamaitachi (sickle weasel) to forfill a very much cooler role.

And @ the fly idea... the fly creatures could be spawned from a teleport disease, sometimes a teleport goes awkward when a little mosquito/fly enters the field of teleportation and a monstrous transformation begins :p


Creatures that spice up combat...especially at lower level.


hhhmm...that teleport accident thing could make a good template, since there are plenty of opportunities for OOPSIE moments in magic (or at least there should be).

As far as weasels go, not sure if they are super popular, but modern mustelids are pretty bad ass, easily taking taking on prey and predators and order of magnitude larger than themselves. One mythological mustelid not statted up is the Gulon...A wolverine-based medieval bestiary monster that could eat anything. Might make a worthy bestiary entry.

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I was intrigued by the gulon for its reported viciousness just up until I realized it gorged so much that it squeezed its "feeding" out between two closely grown trees before gorging again. It's like a 500-year-old poop joke.


MMCJawa wrote:

hhhmm...that teleport accident thing could make a good template, since there are plenty of opportunities for OOPSIE moments in magic (or at least there should be).

As far as weasels go, not sure if they are super popular, but modern mustelids are pretty bad ass, easily taking taking on prey and predators and order of magnitude larger than themselves. One mythological mustelid not statted up is the Gulon...A wolverine-based medieval bestiary monster that could eat anything. Might make a worthy bestiary entry.

Yes! Not only with teleport but maybe also with other spells, healing addiction, teleport-merging-with-interlopers accidents (beetle enters the teleport area and you slowly turn into a monstrous half-beetle-half-yourself thingie, or maybe some area-of-effect horrors.

And Gulon is awesome! I just forget about the poop-thing and turn the creature magical by giving it a INNER portal-to-pocket-realm thingie, so everything he eats disappears into that pocket realm so it always stays hungry and is never satisfied. A group of creatures that has its private realm inside its body, much like Grodairs and that stone-tiger-monster from bestiary 3.

But MMCJawa, you seem to know your chair of all kinds of folklore, fantasy creatures and mythology around the world, you should make your own wishlist of any interesting creatures out there, especially creatures that we don't have yet, like wolverine magical beasts, dragonfly, mantis, clam and other such creatures from other legends, I thought I knew much but you always spit up new creatures I actually like and never heard of before! So keep it coming!


It would be nice to see a dire Weasel agin if they could find a prehistoric animal that could be used for it.

I would prefer a Giant Mongoose(with bonuses vs snakes or snake like creature) over weasels and ferrets.

Great everytime I hear about the Gulon, I am going to think of it as a poop joke monster.

I also would like to see the "She-Mantis" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. A mantis creature(magical beast) that can change into human form.


There are no prehistoric weasels up to this date, none that have a status like the Cave Bear, Daeodon, Spotted Lion, Hyaenadon, Megatherium, Mammoths and Megaloceros for that matter, so dire weasels shouldn't be there as they should ignore dire animals and just use their prehistoric counterparts, i'm also not a big fan of the dire wolverine, which also doesn't have a prehistoric counterpart, so the dire weasel wouldnt be nessesairy as wel, could they just leave the dire-stuff at D&D's doorstep?
And create magical wolves, wolverines and weasels instead? I remember D&D's second monster manual even had dire hawks, dire toads and dire snails... really too much over-milking.

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4: Wake of the Watcher - Colour Out of Space (Excuse me but Wha???) / Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath (wha? / Dimensional Shambler / Elder Thing / Gnoph-Keh / Mi-Go / Moit of Shub-Niggurath (wha?) / Star-Spawn of Cthulhu

Not a fan of Lovecraft, I see.

By the way, the Star-Spawn of Cthulhu are an entire race, it's not just a single unique monster.

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So you don't think there should be a dire wolverine because it has no historical counterpart, but you're ok with stuff like the Gnoph-Keh ?


I just think some monster-groups of D&D should be left at their doorstep, dragonspawn and all-animals-of-the-world-made-dire are two examples.

There are much better things you could do with wolverines, Hodag and Gulon for example.

And I like some monsters from lovecraft (nightgaunts, Leng Spider), just not the really chaotic-named ones I suppose. Colour out of space is just a silly name in my eyes.


Yes in Pathfinder dire animals are just another name for prehistoric versions of known animals but in 3.0/3.5 they were just bigger, meaner versions of animals so you could have dire snails and toads.

Colour out os space is a cool name and they are a pain in the but to fight as well.

I love Dragons but hated the dragonspawn and I also know we will not see them in Pathfinder because they are closed content and also lame.

Giant versions of those animals with no prehistoric counter part will work just fine.

I would like to see the fire toads make a comeback if they can.


I think having a giant toad and a dire toad is a bit too much... Giant toads work just fine, for the other creature you could use magical animals like giant spawn toads and whatever else there is. And meaner? They were all neutral... The biggest boring-factor of the dire animals is that they don't change a bit... only some form of strange stone-growth on their body... well I would like them to have some new abilities as wel.

And i'm not really into the ultra-powerfull monsters, never liked them much, but I don't mind them in the books as I know the books need those, but they aren't my favorites.


There wasn't a "dire weasel" per se in the fossil record. The long slinky shape weasels have is hard to pull off at large body sizes due to problems with heat loss (Weasels have a much higher surface area to body ratio, and lose heat at a pretty bad rate).

Now there are plenty pretty nasty prehistoric mustelids.

Ekorus was a giant mustelid from Africa that was built like a leopard and stood 60 cm high at the shoulder, and was one of the top predators of the time.

Megalictis was a giant wolverine like mustelid that inhabited North America during the Miocene, that was even bigger, the size of a black bear

Google image has pictures of both critters

Sincubus...I will see what I can do about making a list. I have actually been following this thread because there is plenty of references of critters I Have never heard of, and have been scavenging things for my own (non-game) fantasy setting I am developing. I first heard about Pathfinder because they utilize so many folklore and mythology monsters and are pretty much the only people to illustrate many of them.


I think the official Paizo policy is Dire = Prehistoric, not the weird armored bear stuff. Unfortunately, at least early on, some of the artists would depict them in the WOTC way, and Paizo didn't have time to order new artwork. I also hate some of the old pictures of dire animals.


It's odd though that they have Dire as well as Megafauna.

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