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From Distant Worlds...
Aballon
Aballonians(more types)
Metalic Plants
Diggers
Sharp Wings

Castrovel
Formians
Centipede Ticks
Mountain Eels
Sky Fishers
Beast-men
Shota(Lashunta Mounts)
Elephantene Isopods
Semi-Int schools of fish
Sea Horse like symbiots

Akiton
Red Skinned Human
Khulan

Verces
Vercites
Abaki
Dust Mantas
Hoarbats
Blood Brothers

Diaspora
Sarcesians
Spider Bots

Eox
Ellicoths
Ghost Wind

Triaxus
Triaxians(more inlikely in AP#69)
Vapor Boars
Dashilon

Liavara
Dreamers
Cloudskates
Keji
Tarenake

Bretheda
Haan
Nuru Worms
Sagolath

Apostae
Ilee(template?)

Aucturn
Skinless Animals(template)

Arkanian
Arkanians?

Hallas
Hallasians(ancient)
Hallasians(current)

Melos
Melosians?

Nchak
Bug Race(s)

Dykon
Silicon based life
Urogs

Kalo-Mahi
Kalo
Orbigati-Dahu
Giant Sea horse
Giant tube Worms
Blink Fish
Vortex Shark
Saber Whale

Marata
Maraquoi
Cattle-Lizards

Thyst
Thystians?

Plus the Android and Lashunta from Innersea Bestiary and all the creatures stated up in Distant Worlds book.


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Sincubus wrote:
If they use that bad joke monster manbearpig and let Drop Bears out because they would be too silly then i'm gonna scream and shout and let it all out the Britney Spears way.

I love Drop Bears - we were doing a whole 'fantasy Australia' thing awhile back at the wotC forums (before they got Icky). Manbearpig was just a joke - we already have them (we just called them 'bugbears'). Slap a feral template on that and we're good to go.

Sincubus wrote:
And even tho the Kaiju are bigger than Colossal they aren't bigger than the Island Turtle and the Bhole/Dhole Worm, and those creatures are Colossal too, so wanting creatures bigger than Colossal is not going to happen as they are already there and are also colossal.

But we need a 'Jî-normous' category! :D

Sincubus wrote:
Creature of interest today: Harionna, the female yokai with living, hooked hair that makes Rusalka's and Korrigan/Korred's hair look like little pony tails.

Now this sounds really cool. What would you call it, a Hooker? :p

On a related note (and now to wax serious for a moment) - awhile back in another old thread on another site I came up with two alternate versions of the Medusae (turns out 'medusae' was just one of three variants - trying to repair D&D with known mythology).

The normal Medusa has legs and looks fairly human (usually).

The Stheno is a harpy hybrid with wings (Looking more like the traditional harpy - no arms). Still snakes for hair, though.

The Euryale has the lower half of a snake (similar to nagas, Yuan-ti, or lamia, so its a hybrid of something as well). Same snakes for hair, of course. We've actually seen this depiction of Medusae in D&D before, so we can chalk those up to mis-identification.

I was saving those for my own system/setting, but since I've been working on it for 30 years I figure I should at least share some stuff before I croak.


It already has a name silly, Harionna, seek her on Google Pictures and there are enough to see.

The Medusae idea is really a good one! +1 to that idea!

Euryale will be the Greater Medusa (with lower body of a snake) and Medusa herself stays the same, Stheno will be a total new creature, a featherless, snakeskinned harpy-like creature with snake hairs?

I think scales would look better on the Stheno than feathers, as all medusa varieties have scales and roots to snakes. :)

Maybe their gaze-attacks should all be a bit different as wel?


Mole people would be interesting but I prefer the non-reptilian gender changing type. I was thinking from the old scifi movies of the 50's or marvel comics.

I would like a 0HD humaniod turtle race...with the example in the book as a ninja;)

I would love to have a super robot that looks like a cheesy robot from the 50's/60's like the one from forbbiden planet or lost in space.

Add my vote for the "Hooker" monster.

One of the old modules had a mask golem would like to add that one to the list.

Since we have good, evil, law, chaos, and shadow plane templates for summon monster spells, how about ones for the first world, positive energy plane, negative energy plane, plane of time, and the plane of dreams.

More monsters with class abilities like alchemist bombs, hexes, rouge talents, etc. that is a part of the monster not because it has class levels.


wouldn't the red-skinned humans from akiton be just humans?

Mole people...? "cough" Buggane "cough"

Kappa should have been really a 0HD race

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Dragon78 wrote:
More monsters with class abilities like alchemist bombs, hexes, rouge talents, etc. that is a part of the monster not because it has class levels.

Stay tuned for one of these coming up in Pathfinder #67.


Pathfinder #67, thanks for the info Mr. Daigle.

Even if the red skinned human like race is considered human they can still be different since the Eoxians were humans with +4 Int and -4 con and Azlanti had +2 to all there ability scores.

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I think the planet-specific races and creatures might be held back for something like Distant Worlds Bestiary* or Distant Worlds Campaign Setting* or somesuch.

We might get stuff appropriate for those other planets, like the moonflowers and akata, but those that are practically mascots for their respective worlds probably won't make it into the setting-neutral material, like how the strix isn't in any of the Bestiaries.

Then again, the strix did make it into the setting-neutral ARG... Hmmm.....

*HINT HINT!


Where were the Eoxian stats from?


They are found in AP #63 Page 47 under special abilities of Maligast of Eox.


With so many people talking about moles, I demand a Buggane in the bestiary 4! :P

And sometimes the Buggane is a form of ogre without mole features but more a water ogre, please don't make that mistake, Buggane should look a bit like the big Mole Dog in the Midgard Bestiary.
There is a lacking in mole creatures and Dire Moles don't do if for me personally, and no interesting giant mole megafauna from prehistoric times to save you here.

Enter Buggane as a giant monstrous mole that can walk on both its hind legs and all four, they should be protectors of evil fairies and fey courts, or maybe be neutral and protectors of all fey, and be natural enemies with Purple Worms and Death Worms, hunting them for food and pleasure.

I'm talking about this Buggane version

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In Manx mythology, a Buggane was a huge ogre-like creature, native to the Isle of Man.

Bugganes were said to be covered in black hair, with claws, tusks and a large red mouth. As they were known to tunnel underground, they might be said to resemble a giant mole, though they were intelligent and spoke to people on occasion.

A Buggane always had a particular home such as an old ruin, forest or waterfall, where it would remain unless disturbed somehow.

Bugganes were magical creatures, and were known to be unable to cross water or stand on hallowed ground. They were occasionally called upon by the fairies to punish people that had offended them.

The most famous story involving a Buggane relates that one repeatedly tore the roof off St. Trinian's church on the Isle of Man. Another story tells of a woman's narrow escape after a Buggane is sent by the fairies to punish her for baking after sunset.

I would hate this Merrow/Vodyanoi-wannabe version of the Buggane.

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As is the case with many medieval creatures, there is more than one description of a Buggane.

Another variation of the Buggane was said to have been a water spirit, one that resided by waterfalls and streams on the Isle of Man. They were shape-shifters, most often seen in the form of a horse or a cow, but who could also take on the appearance of humans. However, a Buggane in human disguise could easily be spotted, as they often had long teeth, nails and hair.

It is said that some may still walk the earth today, hidden in the human form.

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Sincubus wrote:

With so many people talking about moles, I demand a Buggane in the bestiary 4! :P

And sometimes the Buggane is a form of ogre without mole features but more a water ogre, please don't make that mistake, Buggane should look a bit like the big Mole Dog in the Midgard Bestiary.
There is a lacking in mole creatures and Dire Moles don't do if for me personally, and no interesting giant mole megafauna from prehistoric times to save you here.

Enter Buggane as a giant monstrous mole that can walk on both its hind legs and all four, they should be protectors of evil fairies and fey courts, or maybe be neutral and protectors of all fey, and be natural enemies with Purple Worms and Death Worms, hunting them for food and pleasure.

I'm talking about this Buggane version

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In Manx mythology, a Buggane was a huge ogre-like creature, native to the Isle of Man.

Bugganes were said to be covered in black hair, with claws, tusks and a large red mouth. As they were known to tunnel underground, they might be said to resemble a giant mole, though they were intelligent and spoke to people on occasion.

A Buggane always had a particular home such as an old ruin, forest or waterfall, where it would remain unless disturbed somehow.

Bugganes were magical creatures, and were known to be unable to cross water or stand on hallowed ground. They were occasionally called upon by the fairies to punish people that had offended them.

The most famous story involving a Buggane relates that one repeatedly tore the roof off St. Trinian's church on the Isle of Man. Another story tells of a woman's narrow escape after a Buggane is sent by the fairies to punish her for baking after sunset.

I would hate this Merrow/Vodyanoi-wannabe version of the Buggane.

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As is the case with many medieval creatures, there is more than one description of a Buggane.

Another variation of the Buggane was said to have been a water spirit, one that resided by waterfalls and streams on the Isle of Man.

...

Well, Buggane seems to be a somewhat generic word - it's related to Puca, Pooka, Puck, and Bwca (the latter being the Welsh term). All mean, essentially, a non-pretty fairy, sometimes with shapeshifting powers, and an untrustworthy or tricky character. But PF has successfully picked out specific types from generic names before. And usually, in the Bestiary, spellings count. I think we already have a Phooka and and Buckawn in the ToHC and they're distinctively different.


Yeah, I was thinking of the Phooka or water-horse (Kelpie or Aughisky) myself.

It might be better as some sort of shape-shifter with an ability to 'swim' through any element (to marry the mole and water concepts). Its limitation would that whatever form it was using (in order to better navigate a particular element), it would then be vulnerable to the opposite element.

A giant, feral Puca with 'elemental swim' ability! :D LOL - A Dire Puca?

Then the mole people can just be mole people, like those Moloids from Marvel comics (and Superman). They could be enemies of the Grimlocks. Maybe throw in a few of those dog-like Morlocks from the last Time Machine movie (do a whole 'subterranea' theme).

And Gollum... gotta have Gollum (ugly, mutated, underground halflings).

@Sincubus: Yeah, maybe make the Stheno more bat-like then bird-like (almost like a pterodactyl version of a Harpy). There are some very cool looking feathered dinosaurs - that would be a great place to draw inspiration from.


Phooka and Buggane should NOT be destroyed with all those look-a-likes, the coolest version of both are the moleish-fey protector (buggane) and the moon horse steed for royal fey (phooka) in that way they are both unique and not just other words for Kelpie/Puck and whatever else.

And btw the Buggane always has something to do with moles so how can that be the same creature as a Puca? I don't see anything on its wiki-page about it being the same creature as Puca...

Also I wouldn't care if Puca and Phooka would be total different creature, Puca being the little creature from TOME OF HORRORS, and Phooka being the black monster horse with silver manes.

Puck sounds like some hilarious creature, maybe a goblin jester which steals positive feelings.


All of those critter have the same "root", and our regional variants of one another (from a folklore perspective).

I agree that Buggane should be kept as some sort of mole monster, either Fey or monstrous humanoid. +1 if you can play up the danger involved in a race of burrowing evil humanoids. Something that can overnight leave deserted villages in its wake, the only evidence of wrongdoing being the collapsed burrow mounds in the floors of the houses.

I would rather see Phooka as a goat-like/horse-like shapeshifting Fey creature who pranks people (goat like in having the head of a goat, not as a Satyr or Faun). Maybe give it some fear-based powers as well. That would actually be a probably fair depiction of Phooka from the literature.


Personally I would rather have the Phooka's true form to be a goblin like creature with black skin or fur possibly were all the species look different with varoius animal traits like one with a goats head, one with rabbit ears, one with horse's tail, etc. but can change into animals like horses, cats, rabbits, etc.

As for the Buggane as long as they are subterranean humaniod shaped fey I will be fine.


I would be cool with Phooka's having "different heads". In folklore Phooka like creatures seem to typically appear as horses, donkeys, goats, and dogs. Probably some others I am missing.

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MMCJawa wrote:
I would be cool with Phooka's having "different heads". In folklore Phooka like creatures seem to typically appear as horses, donkeys, goats, and dogs. Probably some others I am missing.

Rabbits.

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
Now, where a vulture agathion could get interesting is if you start adding in the old tradition of sin eating. You have an agathion whose job is to purify the souls worthy of nirvana of their taint, perhaps as part of their return to innocence. They eat away the chaotic, lawful, evil, and even neutral deeds of an otherwise good soul, which returns it to a more perfect, innocent form. In this case, you could take what is normally an animal associated with fairly evil things and change its function to something of a martyr; the soul of a person who is willing to sacrifice themselves for the betterment of others.

That's hot.

You could also tweak it into a vulture creature that attacks and devours undead, not because it hates them, but because *it's trying to save them,* plucking away defiled flesh, necromantic forces, negative energy and corrupted spirit with it's rending talons and scourging beak.

When it's done, all that's left is a shining soul, cleansed of taint and wickedness and even the *memory* of whatever caused to manifest as an undead in the first place, free to move on to its final destination.

The downside is that the creature has to take a break after awhile, as the accumulation of 'eaten sin' within it begins to cause it increasing amounts of anguish, and it needs to return to the upper planes to 'recharge' and 'purge' itself.

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Set wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Now, where a vulture agathion could get interesting is if you start adding in the old tradition of sin eating. You have an agathion whose job is to purify the souls worthy of nirvana of their taint, perhaps as part of their return to innocence. They eat away the chaotic, lawful, evil, and even neutral deeds of an otherwise good soul, which returns it to a more perfect, innocent form. In this case, you could take what is normally an animal associated with fairly evil things and change its function to something of a martyr; the soul of a person who is willing to sacrifice themselves for the betterment of others.

That's hot.

You could also tweak it into a vulture creature that attacks and devours undead, not because it hates them, but because *it's trying to save them,* plucking away defiled flesh, necromantic forces, negative energy and corrupted spirit with it's rending talons and scourging beak.

When it's done, all that's left is a shining soul, cleansed of taint and wickedness and even the *memory* of whatever caused to manifest as an undead in the first place, free to move on to its final destination.

The downside is that the creature has to take a break after awhile, as the accumulation of 'eaten sin' within it begins to cause it increasing amounts of anguish, and it needs to return to the upper planes to 'recharge' and 'purge' itself.

I really like this. It applies both the role scavengers fulfill in nature(prevents spread of disease) and thematically matches sky burial practices(spirit is sent to its proper destination) all in one go. :)


MMCJawa wrote:
I would be cool with Phooka's having "different heads". In folklore Phooka like creatures seem to typically appear as horses, donkeys, goats, and dogs. Probably some others I am missing.

Yeah and that would make the Rakshasa rather not unique anymore, so my vote still goes to the Horse version, the evil fey need a horse too, good fey can have Unicorn for all I care. The horse could maybe shapeshift into a humanoid creature form with horse head with goat horns so it can play trickster more easily. All its forms however have black hair/skin and silver manes/head hair. I really like that combination, the name phooka really sounds like black and silver combination to me.

And I really, Really can't wait for the first blog about Bestiary 4 being made, the first review of monsters and all the cool stuff and reviews that follow! Hurry up Paizo! Can't wait!!

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Awww, Paizo forums, y u no like classy enlightened mole-men? Though I do admit the Buggane sounds pretty cool as a mole-like Fey brute.

Also, after seeing Princess Mononoke this thursday at my local Indie theater, I was thinking, Paizo should do some creatures based on Miyazaki movies. I'd love to see somethings based on, say, Totoro, or Noh Face and the Stink Spirit from Spirited away, or the Deer God/Nightwalker from Princess Mononoke ,with a template for those hate-tainted/demonic things from that same movie. Hell, they already based the Kodama kami on the little forest-spirits from that movie (Or at least they share the same mythological basis), so why not do more?

And I'd love to see Pookas separated into the whimsical, rabbit-headed Harvey-esque kind and the nasty Horse-based kind.


come to think of it, Demiurge Press Made some of those Fey .


At the cost of being a bit metagamey, I would actually like a monster based a bit on numerology. Maybe something happens if they roll a certain number or numbers on a d20 for attack rolls, saves, etc.

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Odraude wrote:
At the cost of being a bit metagamey, I would actually like a monster based a bit on numerology. Maybe something happens if they roll a certain number or numbers on a d20 for attack rolls, saves, etc.

Ooh, I like.

A monster that is empowered by the bad fortunes of others (even allies, or itself!, as it's malicious and capricious like that), and gains a surge of healing or a small buff every time anyone rolls a 1 could be funky, along those lines. It might also find incidences of extreme good fortune to be distasteful and be shaken for 1 round whenever one of it's enemies rolls a 20.

A monster that uses some sort of exploding die mechanic could be cruel, as well. Some little plant monster that stabs you with its rootlets for 1d4, and when it gets a 4 for damage, the rootlets hit an artery or something and engorge and expand on the rush of nutrients, inflicting another d4, etc.


I like that. Admittedly, I'm very inspired by the Blood of the Night's Numerological Gift racial trait for the Jiang-Shi Dhampir.

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Odraude wrote:
I like that. Admittedly, I'm very inspired by the Blood of the Night's Numerological Gift racial trait for the Jiang-Shi Dhampir.

Yeah, that is pretty neat. A cursed version that requires you to treat a certain 'unlucky number' as a 1 could also be neat, perhaps as an alternate bestow curse option.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


And I will send a free... something... to anyone who can sell me on a new family of five logically related dragons. New colors need not apply. Mythical creatures preferred. One head only please.

In one of the earliest Adventure Paths there was this cute little story about some Grey Dragons, maybe an idea for a 5 gray dragons species (dragons that are not metallic and not chromatic but have rooths in both) may do?

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Gray Dragons
When Dahak descended to the Material Plane and began his
slaughter of the mortal dragons there, he began with the powerful
and incorruptible platinums. He succeeded so completely that only
one platinum dragon, a pregnant female, remained alive to hear his
offer of salvation. She not only spurned his offer but, with nearly the
last of her strength, struck him with a claw, ripping out one of his
teeth. In response, Dahak cursed her, but not to death. He stripped
from her the shine and gloss of her platinum countenance, but he
gave her no color in its place. Reduced to a shriveled gray husk, she
fled the battlefield and slinked into hiding nearby.
A year later, she laid a clutch of lead-gray eggs, and when they
hatched, a dozen weak and pathetic gray-colored dragons flopped
and wriggled around her. As they grew, these dragons found
themselves outcast from the ranks of both metallic and chromatic
dragons. Gathering their small numbers, these ill-fated dragons ever
strive for the grandeur of their good and evil-aligned cousins, but
reproduce only rarely and in pitiable numbers. Thus, gray dragons
have sought to influence their fate with the blood of other creatures,
ultimately giving rise to many of the myriad dragonkin races in
existence today. Both metallic and chromatic dragons see gray
dragons’ desperate reproductive experimentation as blasphemous
squandering of the draconic bloodline, and as such, the few gray
dragons that still exist do so in solitude and secrecy.


Since I haven't contributed much other than comments lately:

Gaborchend: Someone upthread mentioned how it would be nice to get a race of Ibexian style goat people. These might be the best fit for the job

Duwende: From Filipino myth, these are Fey associated with termite mounds, who could be good or evil and could only be seen by children. You could go with a Fey route of course with this. You could also model them after the creatures in "The New Daughter", or even make them some sort of small humanoid that is able to control insects and dwell within the hive. Lots of spiders and beetles for instance use mimicry to do just that.

Related to the Duwende is the Duende. These originate in Spain but variant versions have basically sprouted everywhere the Spanish went. Apparently in the southwest/Mexico these are used as bedtime monsters, creatures that dwell within the walls of houses and emerge at night to torment children, including biting off their toes. Would make a creepy urban fey, and I could imagine a group of PCs investigating a haunted house only to come across these things. Might also be a way to homage Don't Be Scared of the Dark.

On another track we have the Ponaturi, which are not very bright sea goblins from New Zealand. I could see a couple of ways these could go, but it would be nice to have some small piranha-esq aquatic humanoids

Finally, not a specific homage, but it would be nice to see an insectoid monster modeled after the creature in Mimic. Such things have sprung up in a couple of different fictional stories, basically playing on the idea that some highly evolved insect might develop the ability to creature characteristics that let it evade detection from its number one enemy: us.


The Duende really sounds familiar to the Bauk, a shadow bogeyman from serbian folklore.

Bauk can be a shadow bogeyman, who uses shadows and darkness to teleport and create black shadow holes to teleport itself or others (also objects) to everywhere, much like the Spiderman villian The Spot.

EDIT

I also wished there was a Sub-Category of Bogeyman (just like there are more lamia and rakshasa there should also be more bogeymen variants)

Bogeymen variants:

Normal Bogeyman
Bauk
Popobala
Springheel (Jack)

Qalupalik (The frosty sea hags with long hair they love to kidnap children)

Chagrin (The worst nightmare for every gypsy, it plays tricks and takes the form of yellow hedgehogs mostly)

Tooth Fairy (Not as friendly as they are in your mothers cute stories, these piranha fairies are a childs worst nightmare.)

Batibat (Don't harm the plants in your area, if you do the fat lady may crush your head by sitting on it.)

Kallikantzaros (An anti-nature goblin bogeyman, tries to destroy the world by cutting away its most usefull recourses before they can be used.)

Erlkonig (The kidnapper bogeyman, only kidnaps bad children as it forms those into other erlkonigs later on, also known as Tallmen and Slendermen, even as the Pied Piper.)

Fetch (The vain, arrogant and wealthy should fear this mirror bogeyman that hunts from its mirror realm.)

Kaw Kaw (At night this fat bogeyman hunts for bad children to swallow and kidnap into another realm for later snacks or something else? Nobody knows.)

Jack-in-Irons (Never walk away from home and leave your parents worried, the Jack-In-Irons will certainly find you and the things it does to runaways is something from your worst nightmares.)

Kikimora (A terror to clean and nice households, the Kikimora and her insect friends love to destroy everything that is clean and coasy, its the bad sister of the Brownie)

Bloody Bones (This crawling, skinless and leg-less bogeyman lives underneath the stairs or crawls out of your toilet at night)

Shellycoat (Lake bogeyman dressed in sharp weapon-like shells, they mostly live in giant shells and act much like grumpy old hermits, they collect the last voice of their child-victims in their shells.

Akaname (Do you know lickers from Resident Evil? Well this. If you make a mess of your house it attracks these filth lickers to clean up the filth, but if you are also filthy you are their next meal.)

Mahaha (frozen bogeyman with sharp nails it uses to tickle you to death, the Mahaha have a cold sense of humor.)

Yara-ma-yha-who (bloodsucking tree jungle bogeyman)

Nachtkrapp (a swarm of dark ravens that forms one single giant raven and is intelligent)

Many MANY people adored the Banderhobb in D&D's 4th edition monster manual 3, but they are just stolen from the Kaw Kaw's legend, a fat bogeyman that swallows bad children and kidnaps them always in its huge sack-like gullet.


Probably, 90% of all monsters fit into a really small category of categories (household helpers, bogeyman, ancient magical peoples, giants, nature spirits, etc). So I kind of like that Paizo treats these different creatures as not a single type of monster.

The Kaw Kaw was another monster I wanted to post up here. The original legend brings to mind a slug like ogre with the ability to ooze through narrow crevices, something that could easily infiltrate a house, eat all the occupants, than ooze itself out with no obvious sign of entry

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Actually, the Banderhobb was based on a homebrew monster of one of the D&D designers that he'd been using since the 80's, and I'm pretty sure if it'd been based on the Kaw Kaw, he'd have mentioned it. It's one of my favorite monsters in 4e, but I find it odd that they didn't make it a fey creature, since it very obviously seems like it should be one.


I doubt it was inspired directly by the Kaw Kaw as well, but it was probably inspired by childhood bogeyman, of which the Kaw Kaw is merely a Maltese variant of.


The Kaw Kaw is your free ticket to the Banderhobb in Paizo/Pathfinder products so use it wisely.

They can't sue you for stealing an excisting look-alike monster.

I can see the Kaw Kaw (also known as gaw gaw) looking a bit like Banderhobb mixed with Jabba The Hutt.


My favorite AP monsters that hopefully appear in bestiary 4

Carrionstorm (1)
Skull Ripper (9)
Scanderig (10)
Sikari Swarm (5)
Bonestorm (8)
Danse Macabre (14)
Swamp Barracuda (2)
Hadhayosh (18)
Black Jinn (12)
Ukobach (4)
Nihiloi (11)
Vrykolakas (10)
Vouivre (12)
Drekavac (3)
Peluda (10)
Stygira (7)
Bog Strider (2)
Hail Lily (4)
Warsworn (16)
Ankou (14)
Dweomercat (7)
Skrik Nettle (6)
Zomok (16)
Ningyo (1)
Camulatz (9)
Mokele-Mbembe (9)
Impundulu (11)
Inkanyamba (13)
Springheel (3)
Vilcasis (7)
Weaverworm (8)
Colour out of Space (10)
Toe-Biter (3)
Hala (4)
Ratling (2)
Yamabushi Tengu (5)
Nogitsune (7)
Qallupilluk (7)
Saumen Kar (10)
Chon Chon (1)
Kijimuna (2)
Raiju (5)
Gashadokuro (13)
Jinmenju (11)
Rokurokubi (14)
Incutilis (2)
Dunkleosteus (6)
Sea Cat (4)
Black Spot (1)
Coral Capuchin (1)
Kapre (10)
Bakekujira (17)
Galvo (9)
Gigas Clam (11)
Addu (15)
Faceless Whale (15)
Gargiya (10)
Lorelei (12)
Seaweed Siren (13)
Wolpertinger (1)
Bogwid (5)
Fachen (5)
Polevik (5)
Cephalophore (8)
Kere (10)
Nightgaunt (4)

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Also, on Yokai I think they should add, I think that the Raiju needs to be in Bestiary 4. Why? Because I think it'd be great as Pathfinder's equivalent of Pikachu, given that it is essentially what Pikachu was based off of, kind of like how Pathfinder uses the Terrorbird as their Chocobo equivalent.

If they do, I'd also like to see a variant based on the very similar Sand Squink from American Fearsome Critters folklore.


There is also a hydra,ahuizotl, Baku and Kappa pokemon, why would Pikachu be any special? Raiju is much too cool for that overused yellow critter.

I don't like pokemon all that much, but pikachu is the worst of the bunch, and I hate to see Raiju bite the dust because people confuse it with Pikachu so James will see the Raiju just like the Jackalope and Dropbear, a bad joke monster.

The Raiju should really be in bestiary 4 with the same artwork, that artwork is so awesome!

The ones which should get new/other artwork:
Bonestorm (8)
Danse Macabre (14)
Ukobach (4)
Nihiloi (11)
Vouivre (12)
Springheel (3)
Weaverworm (8)
Colour out of Space (10)
Rokurokubi (14)
Dunkleosteus (6)
Wolpertinger (1)

Those artworks are far from bad, but they really don't get the maximum out of the those beasts, they can be much and much better, let the artist of the Girtablilu or Flail Snail draw them and voila! Fan Favorites.


Sincubus wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


And I will send a free... something... to anyone who can sell me on a new family of five logically related dragons. New colors need not apply. Mythical creatures preferred. One head only please.
In one of the earliest Adventure Paths there was this cute little story about some Grey Dragons, maybe an idea for a 5 gray dragons species (dragons that are not metallic and not chromatic but have rooths in both) may do?

How about outcast chromatic varieties, like Grey (based on the Fang Dragon), Brown (based on the Sand Dragon), Orange, Purple and Yellow (based on the 3 dragons in the Dragon Magazine Compendium)?

I've vaguely heard that Tiamat once had a sister with 5 different-colored heads that tried to imitate Tiamat's creation process of Chromatic Dragons. However, Tiamat grew jealous and slew her, but the new dragons were still alive.


Well...see new colors need not apply :P.

Also I think Paizo is at the point where they would rather create new creatures than reinvent WOTC monsters.

Also Tiamat has been increasingly downplayed by developers, since while they can mention her since she is from Babylonian myth, the DnD Tiamat is WOTC IP, and hence off limits. I wouldn't be surprised if Tiamat is phased out completely and replaced by some other dragon god in the future.


Almiraj
Life Elemental
Cu Sith/Sidhe
Cat Sith/Sidhe
Faerie
Pucca
Alp luachra
Leanan Sidhe/Sith
Time Elemental
Drop Bear
Barong
Nekomata
Ninetail Fox
Guivre
Achiyalabopa
Gorgimera
Ladon
Gorgmagog
Teumessian Fox
Argus
Nemean Lion
Jack O Lantern
Jack Frost
Zmeu
Bugul Noz
Urubus
Deer Woman
Winged Serpent/Flying Snake
Fir bolg
Genbu
Byakko
Suzaku
Seiryu
Forest Giant
Ocean Giant
Mountain Giant
Fog Giant
Doll Golem
Gem/Crystal Golem
Paper/Origami Golem
Shell Golem
Gold Golem
Cloth Golem
Mud Golem
Eye of the Deep
Ravid
Thought Eater
Amyth
Night Hunter
Sinister
Broken One
Crab People
Sanppersaw
Thornslinger
Swanmay
Tako
Brain Mole
Leviathan
Fenrir
Cerebus
Eye Wing
She-Mantis
Kercpa
Cheshire Cat
Boggart
Vampie Rose
Wild Hunt
Gem Dragons
Formorian
Bicorn
Boalisk
Giant Sundew
Giant Pitcher Plant
Thorny
Giant Mongoose
Dire weasel
Giant Starfish
Giant Clam
Giant Termites
Termite swarm
Giant Moth
Giant Snail
Alicorn
Water Weird
Yakshini
Bakoneko
Asparas
Yamato No Orochi
Yowie
Vila
Empusa
Far Darig
Gandharva
Giant Platypus
Flying Monkeys
Carrion Moth
Cooshee
Mist Dragon
Graymalken
Black Dog
Mudmen
Rainbow Serpent
Ubue
Vergeeg
Storm Drake
Jungle Drake
Mountain Drake
Asrai
Killmoulis
Evil Puppet
Tinman
Grendel
Grendel's Mother
Greys
Peg Powler


Daoine Sidhe
Mimis
Pillywiggins
Cipactli
Nagual
Totochtin
Itzli
Xiuhcoatl
Giant Cuttlefish
Giant Nautilus
Giant Sea Horse
Giant Sea Slug
Giant Sea Cucumber
Giant Pill Bug
Uroborus/Ouroborus
Bigorne
Chicheface
Arrow Hawk
Fossergrim
Glaistag
Cherufe
Buggane
Namazu
Talos
Peuchen
Makara
Werefox
Wereraven
Wolfwere
Molemen
Genius Loci
Earlking
Ratking
Fetch
Storm Hag
Hob
Monopod
Snark
Mara
Mountain Fennec
Muhuru
Popobawa
Bloob
Ozark Howler
Caterwaul
Menehune
Nawao
Giant Earwigs
Toa
Ceryneian Hind
Encantado
Llamhygin Y Dwr
Duwendo
Buckhawn
Tiyanak
Tikbalang
Zennyo Ryuo
Ungaikyo
Tsuchinoko
Tsuchigumo
Tamamo-no-mae
Omukade
Konaki-jiji
Komainu
Kamaitachi
Jubokko
Isonade
Boo Hag
Decarabin
Alastor
Hyakuma
Bisan
Mirror Fiend
Gulon
Dragua
Opinicus
Dobhar-Chu
Hitotsume-Kozo
Kabandha
Zhen
Psoglav
Likho
Alkonest
Bannik
Meluisine
Capa
Cabeiri
Gaasyendietha
Gigantes
Shisa
Nuppeppo
Karakasa-obake
Kudan
Preta
Obero-guruma
Inu-gami
Hitodama
Hitotsume-kozo
Yaksha


Some of those critters are already there with another name, they are like 99% the same, Yowie = Sasquatch, Evil Puppet = Soulbound Doll and others like Faerie are just common names to describe Nixies, Pixies and all those other butterfly winged creatures into a group.

Popobawa = Already in Bestiary 3 and I wish that they mix up Fetch + Mirror Fiend into one creature.

If not the Fetch will be just another doppelganger.


I really wanna know if Buggane, Cherufe, Abaia, Acheri, Sickle Weasel/Kamaitachi, Akaname and Batibat are on the normal to do list or that they are on the joke-monsters-will-never-make-it-in-paizo-products list.

Also is the non-shapeshifting kitsune(9-tailed fox) creature ever going to show up or is it just a form of Kitsune and Nogitsune? I sure hope not, otherwise I hope the Teumessian Fox will have multiple tails and another name. (kumiho)


Why would they be on the joke list?

As far as a I know, the "joke list" would consist of only silly monsters that were made up as parts of jokes or tall tales. None of the creatures you list Sincubus would be in that category.

So if there is a "joke list", it probably only contains most "fearsome critters" and the Dropbear.

I do wonder what the difference between a stone giant and a mountain giant would be, as well as a wood giant and a forest giant.


Joke list = Boccaccon (cow with flaming droppings) / Drop Bear / Jackalope / Gulon

Akaname could be a joke monster because of the Filth part and because of its appearance and the long tongue.

Batibat could be on the joke list because she is fat and sits on your body to kill you.

Sickle weasels may appear as pokemon too some if the knowledge about the creature isn't too high.

Acheri are little children that bring disease they remind me of the already done Drekavac, so maybe they will be used instead.

Buggane are mole creatures, many people joke about moles and skunks and that type of animals.

Anyway this are my favorite missing monsters, they go above all others I have ever asked for:

Abaia
Acheri
Adze
Afanc (Not the Pitty D&D version)
Ahkiyyini
Aitvaras
Akaname *Filth Licker*
Alastor *Sword Version)
Alp-luachra
Amikiri
Ammit
Aniwye
Argus
Asag
Barbegazi
Batibat
Bauk
Bloody Bones
Buggane
Cactus Cat
Calopus
Chagrin
Cherufe
Cipactli
Djieien
Echeneis
Empusa
Fetch (mirror version)
Gold-Digger Ant (or Gold Myrmidon)
Gulon
Heikegani (the myth crabman/samurai version)
Hyakume (beholder-like creature)
Ichneumon
Itzpapalotl (skeleton butterfly creature)
Jack-in-Irons
Jubokko
Kallikantzaros
Kamaitachi *Sickle Weasel*
Karkadan (aggressive desert unicorn)
Kaw Kaw
Kikimora
Kumiho
Ladon (plant dragon)
Lavellan
Mahaha
Namazu
Nekomata
Phooka
Puck (or any other jester goblin-like creature that steals humor and happiness)
Pyrausta (insect dragons)
Rarog (meteor fey)
Sandwalker
Shellycoat
Sianach
Symplegades (dunkleosteus twins version)
Tooth Fairy (swarm)
Tsemaus
Tsuchigumo
Fossegrim
Wizard's Shackle (Not the pitty D&D version)
Yale
Yara-ma-yha-who
Cadejo (Black & White Dog twins, black does one bad thing, the white dog does something good in return so they keep balance between good and evil)


Sincubus wrote:

Joke list = Boccaccon (cow with flaming droppings) / Drop Bear / Jackalope / Gulon

Akaname could be a joke monster because of the Filth part and because of its appearance and the long tongue.

Batibat could be on the joke list because she is fat and sits on your body to kill you.

Sickle weasels may appear as pokemon too some if the knowledge about the creature isn't too high.

Acheri are little children that bring disease they remind me of the already done Drekavac, so maybe they will be used instead.

Buggane are mole creatures, many people joke about moles and skunks and that type of animals.

I guess the difference from these and other monsters is that people actually believed Batibat, Sickle weasels, Acheri, and Buggane were real, and in some sense were scared of them. I don't think Drop Bears or Jackalopes were ever considered real. Not sure on the Akaname, and the Bonnacon and Gulon were invented so long ago that it is hard to say (Although the Gulon was almost certainly based on the wolverine...the sillier details were added later)

Liberty's Edge

I don't think of Sickle-weasels (Better known by their name Katamaitchi) as being joke. They're actually pretty cool, and I'd love to see them in the Bestiary 4.

Also, since it is Open Game Content, I'd love to see the infamous Carcharodoom as a member of The Tane. Because, you know it's ridiculous enough to fit in with the Thrasfyr and the Sard.

Also, on a more far fetched note Skilvelaks. They need to be a thing.


I don't know were your getting Ladon as a plant dragon, Ladon was a serpent-like dragon that guarded the golden apples in the guarden Hesperides.

Mountain Giants are from way back in D@D and they didn't look like stone but were much stronger primitive(like Hill Giants) giants and sometime were as big as colossal size for some incarnations. I am hopping this would be a CR20.

Forest giant would be plant-like with roots and bark like skin, with hair that would change with the seasons, and would hibbernate by taking root in the ground and sleep through winter unless woken up early. also they wouldn't look like elves.


We have enough hydra-beings Dragon78, and the Zomok isn't a plant dragon in mythology as wel, Ladon sounds like a plant dragon because of it always being with its tree. Not all monsters should be copied 100% from their real myth, then you get 10.000 exact copy monsters, Hydra is a multiheaded serpent and Gorynych is a multi-headed dragon, Ladon should be something different.

Mountain Giants are Just Hill Giants... I hope they will not spoil a spot in bestiary 4, Forest Giant sounds just as Jungle Giant, you just have to place Jungle Giant in a forest and voila, name it forest giant, same can be done with Wood Giant to create a good natured Forest Giant.

Well, people actually also believed the Jackalope was real :p

I hope gulon will make it in, I already have changed the Hadhayosh in this way it Resembles both Boccocon (flaming dropping cow), the Crete Bull and Hadhayosh itself (all flaminging bull-like creatures) but Gulon would make a cool Magical Wolverine monster, just ignore the poop humor and you have yourself a glutton monster.

Akaname could be one scary son of a monster... Just mix in some Licker (resident evil) parts and change the bathroom location into sewers and houses in general and voila, no joke anymore. Acid on its tongue isn't a joke to begin with.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Duwende: From Filipino myth, these are Fey associated with termite mounds, who could be good or evil and could only be seen by children. You could go with a Fey route of course with this. You could also model them after the creatures in "The New Daughter", or even make them some sort of small humanoid that is able to control insects and dwell within the hive. Lots of spiders and beetles for instance use mimicry to do just that.

With a little flavor-change-up, a Mite could serve in this role, and even make for a fun sort of low-level adventure hook, sending out his ant or termite swarm minions to gather food or bedevil the people digging in 'his' fields.

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On another track we have the Ponaturi, which are not very bright sea goblins from New Zealand. I could see a couple of ways these could go, but it would be nice to have some small piranha-esq aquatic humanoids

The 'goblin sharks' of the Midgard Bestiary might work well here.

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Finally, not a specific homage, but it would be nice to see an insectoid monster modeled after the creature in Mimic. Such things have sprung up in a couple of different fictional stories, basically playing on the idea that some highly evolved insect might develop the ability to creature characteristics that let it evade detection from its number one enemy: us.

Ooh, definitely. Those guys creeped me out, appearing as hooded cloaked figures, until they unwrapped their wings and came out with the scything limbs o' death!

Scaling down a Giant Mantis to size medium, and giving it an ability to disguise itself as a human (kinda sorta), could be one way to go (keep Sudden Strike, definitely, even if the Lunge and Mandibles traits aren't necessarily as on-theme).

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