Here's another suggestion: How about a group of monsters based on the zodiac?
Outsider (extraplanar, zodiac), originated from the Astral Plane, related to the constellation, I'd imagined them to be high-level monsters, since they would be on top of the hierarchy.
Aries, the Ram
A tall muscular humanoid with a ram head and cloven feet.
Taurus, the Bull
A muscular humanoid with a bull head, similar to a minotaur.
Gemini, the Twins
A pair of humanoids, be 2 men, 2 women or 1 man and 1 woman.
Cancer, the Crab
A humanoid with crab pincers, antennae, tail and scale running down the back.
Leo, the Lion
A humanoid that looks like a leonal, but more regal and less savage.
Virgo, the Maiden
A beaufitul lady, similar to Aphrodite.
Libra, the Scales
A clothed humanoid with a scale attached to his wrists.
Scorpio, the Scorpion
A humanoid with scorpion claws, spinerets and a tail.
Sagittarius, the Archer
A centaur wielding a bow.
Capricorn, the Goat
A merfolk with goat horns.
Aquarius, the Water-Bearer
A merfolk with a large urn in the back.
Pisces, the Fish
A pair of humanoids with fish scales, tail and legs, webbed appendages and one with white scale and the other with black scales.
Ophiuchus, the Serpent-Bearer
A huge snake with a small humanoid attached to it, would be a locked outsider due to its evil nature, mythic level
Like I said these would be high-level monsters. Other zodiac monsters would be low-level, as many constalletions are called "minor".
Here's another suggestion: How about a group of monsters based on the zodiac?I like this idea, but why necessary high level ? You could have several versions.
The regular 13-sign zodiac is made of "major" constellations, while the other constellations, like the Ursa Major and Canis Minor, are called "minor".
Major = high-level
Minor = low-level
I like the Zodiac thing, but the examples you gave us I don't really like tho.
We already have Leonal, centaur and minotaurs so better make non-humanoid creatures out of them.
With Sagittarius, Capricorn, Gemini and Libra you can be extremly original as there aren't many monsters based on those yet, Gemini being the twin souls I wished for earlier.
Libra being some Inevitable or Aeon.
Sagittarius being some obsessed hunter.
Capricorn & Ram monsters number zero as off now so they can be used in many ways.
There are already many scorpions, fishes, crabs, mermen and lions so that would be tough.
I like the Zodiac thing, but the examples you gave us I don't really like tho.
We already have Leonal, centaur and minotaurs so better make non-humanoid creatures out of them.
With Sagittarius, Capricorn, Gemini and Libra you can be extremly original as there aren't many monsters based on those yet, Gemini being the twin souls I wished for earlier.
Libra being some Inevitable or Aeon.
Sagittarius being some obsessed hunter.
Capricorn & Ram monsters number zero as off now so they can be used in many ways.
There are already many scorpions, fishes, crabs, mermen and lions so that would be tough.
Well, there are like 1001 ways to represent the zodiac, that was just one of them :p
I had in mind humanoid versions of them, but bestial versions are just as possible. We have a leonal, but we also have a hellcat. We have a few versions of the centaur, but there was also a demon centaur in 3.5. I don't think we are oversaturating the Bestiary if we have multiple monsters based on the same creature. How many creatures were based on a wolf, a dog, a horse, a snake, a cat, a shark? There's a bunch, but if they're all unique, who really cares if they have similarities? Lion-based creatures are gonna have crown-like manes and sharp fangs.
I'd like to get 13 Zodiac monsters though, and the Astral Plane is the PERFECT place for them.
I know this is mildly silly.
But a flying squid. Think about it. A squid with membranous wings, diving at a party that's casually strolling by the ocean. Glorious!
Just a "Flying Squid" how about a "Space Squid."
Just a "Flying Squid" how about a "Space Squid."
Lol - That creature would make the Flumph look like a Tyrannosaurus Rex (in seriousiness)
I like the Zodiac thing, but the examples you gave us I don't really like tho.
We already have Leonal, centaur and minotaurs so better make non-humanoid creatures out of them.
With Sagittarius, Capricorn, Gemini and Libra you can be extremly original as there aren't many monsters based on those yet, Gemini being the twin souls I wished for earlier.
Libra being some Inevitable or Aeon.
Sagittarius being some obsessed hunter.
Capricorn & Ram monsters number zero as off now so they can be used in many ways.
There are already many scorpions, fishes, crabs, mermen and lions so that would be tough.Well, there are like 1001 ways to represent the zodiac, that was just one of them :p
I had in mind humanoid versions of them, but bestial versions are just as possible. We have a leonal, but we also have a hellcat. We have a few versions of the centaur, but there was also a demon centaur in 3.5. I don't think we are oversaturating the Bestiary if we have multiple monsters based on the same creature. How many creatures were based on a wolf, a dog, a horse, a snake, a cat, a shark? There's a bunch, but if they're all unique, who really cares if they have similarities? Lion-based creatures are gonna have crown-like manes and sharp fangs.
I'd like to get 13 Zodiac monsters though, and the Astral Plane is the PERFECT place for them.
I don't know if all those zodiac signs have world-wide the same believes and similiar properties behind them? Cuz if they have they can have those properties in the monsters based on the zodiac, making them unique in some way.
I don't know if all those zodiac signs have world-wide the same believes and similiar properties behind them? Cuz if they have they can have those properties in the monsters based on the zodiac, making them unique in some way.
Huh... oh boy... hmmmm...
That actually depends on the civilisation to which they are used. There's a LOT to work with.
I would like to see some new ways to use monsters. Some templates to allow creatures to easily scale up and down the level range a good distance (+/- 5) with some "common build" options such as wizard, ranger or barbarian.So I pretty much hate this idea if you call the book its in a Bestiary. If you don't I'm much, Much, MUCH more open to it.
This might be a topic for another thread (anyone who gets keen on the idea is free to start one) but what would folks think of a product somewhere between a Bestiary and the "Revisited" Campaign Setting series? Something that was like "Goblins are keen! Lets tell you a bit about goblins" followed by stats for a goblin warchanter, goblin goblindog rider, goblin fish flinger, goblin pig wrestler, goblin chief-wrangler, goblin chief, etc--a wide variety of goblins of varying builds and CRs. A book that adds utility and ready-to-use statistics to classic creatures.
Goblins, orcs, lizardfolk, giants, ogres, classic, regularly used, versatile stuff seems most appropriate to my mind. I don't see a section with 10 new manananggal.
But again, not as a bestiary--not as something that replaces the chance to have an entirely new monster--as another thing. Any interest?
Well you certainly will have interest from me! I dont really care whether it is a Bestiary or not (I am guessing not!) but this is exactly what I would love to see from Paizo in the monster space. I really like the "Revisited" takes on monsters, but you only get one monster per type in those books. There are heaps of classic monsters as you have stated above and having some way to populate an entire Goblin village from CR 1-8 would be great. Really getting in deep with monsters as versatile foes (what do you mean the orcs are healing each other!) also is a cool way to build deep encounters quickly. Stacking 3 orc barbarians with 2 orc sorcerers and a orc cleric would make for a tough fight! Goblin hang gliders!
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Here's another suggestion: How about a group of monsters based on the zodiac?I like this idea, but why necessary high level ? You could have several versions.The regular 13-sign zodiac is made of "major" constellations, while the other constellations, like the Ursa Major and Canis Minor, are called "minor".
Major = high-level
Minor = low-level
Keep on like this and you will end up statting Saint Seiya ;-)
Which reminds me fondly of a homebrew Zodiac Knight class I did ages ago with a cool random table to simulate the different kind of attacks evidenced in the anime. Good old times :-))
What about the Chinese Zodiac or Golarion's version of the Zodiac? There is stuff you could mine from that. Regardless of which version of the Zodiac they use I would still like creatures(or a template) based on them.
Jici, so have you been playing final fantasy tactics lately?
I always did like the space squid from Silverhawkes. Besides we have space whales so why not.
Well you certainly will have interest from me! I dont really care whether it is a Bestiary or not (I am guessing not!) but this is exactly what I would love to see from Paizo in the monster space. I really like the "Revisited" takes on monsters, but you only get one monster per type in those books. There are heaps of classic monsters as you have stated above and having some way to populate an entire Goblin village from CR 1-8 would be great. Really getting in deep with monsters as versatile foes (what do you mean the orcs are healing each other!) also is a cool way to build deep encounters quickly. Stacking 3 orc barbarians with 2 orc sorcerers and a orc cleric would make for a tough fight! Goblin hang gliders!I would like to see some new ways to use monsters. Some templates to allow creatures to easily scale up and down the level range a good distance (+/- 5) with some "common build" options such as wizard, ranger or barbarian.So I pretty much hate this idea if you call the book its in a Bestiary. If you don't I'm much, Much, MUCH more open to it.
This might be a topic for another thread (anyone who gets keen on the idea is free to start one) but what would folks think of a product somewhere between a Bestiary and the "Revisited" Campaign Setting series? Something that was like "Goblins are keen! Lets tell you a bit about goblins" followed by stats for a goblin warchanter, goblin goblindog rider, goblin fish flinger, goblin pig wrestler, goblin chief-wrangler, goblin chief, etc--a wide variety of goblins of varying builds and CRs. A book that adds utility and ready-to-use statistics to classic creatures.
Goblins, orcs, lizardfolk, giants, ogres, classic, regularly used, versatile stuff seems most appropriate to my mind. I don't see a section with 10 new manananggal.
But again, not as a bestiary--not as something that replaces the chance to have an entirely new monster--as another thing. Any interest?
This is just like the 4th edition D&D nightmare, every MM has like 10 new goblins and 20 new kobolds...
I sure hope the Bestiaries aren't ending up that way.
A new book for new sub-class monsters would be nice, but not a bestiary.
Well that is pretty much what Wes said...that such a book would unlikely to be included within the Bestiary line
Keep on like this and you will end up statting Saint Seiya ;-)
Which reminds me fondly of a homebrew Zodiac Knight class I did ages ago with a cool random table to simulate the different kind of attacks evidenced in the anime. Good old times :-))
I never thought of Saint Seiya when I got that idea actually. I know that it's based on the Zodiac, but I wasn't going for that at all ;)
What about the Chinese Zodiac or Golarion's version of the Zodiac? There is stuff you could mine from that. Regardless of which version of the Zodiac they use I would still like creatures(or a template) based on them.
The Chinese Zodiac does get overused these days... and Okami gets a pretty good representation of it. I was thinking about the traditional Zodiac because it often gets overlooked in fantasy settings... and D&D never used it.
There was a custom Zodiac for D&D, but it was only presented in a Dragon issue and wasn't fully developped IMO. If Pathfinder uses the traditional Zodiac, pretty much everyone will recognize them on sight.
Jici, so have you been playing final fantasy tactics lately?
Nope, I watched Fairy Tail instead. This is where I got the idea of having Zodiac-themed humanoids.
Just a "Flying Squid" how about a "Space Squid."
"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it!"
I am working on some kind of colossal flying squid/crab aberrant outsider as the major "demon" race for my setting, similar to the Daelkyr of Eberron. Or Cthulhu.
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We're going to need a new wish list here soon.
I've been reading since the beginning and many suggestions from folks on here made it into my first monster lists then into the book. I've got some shout outs to you guys in the announcement blog even.
Ultimately, I think most of you will be quite pleased.
(Still passionate, fractious, and vocal--but pleased) ;)
Thanks for all the help!
OMG OMG OMG *Dies* *And ressurects around fall*
I CAN"T wait for the first pictures and Blog!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!! Please please PLEASE tell me the hupia made it in there! Hell, you can use my write up for it! I am totes okay with that!!
We're going to need a new wish list here soon.
I've been reading since the beginning and many suggestions from folks on here made it into my first monster lists then into the book. I've got some shout outs to you guys in the announcement blog even.
Ultimately, I think most of you will be quite pleased.
(Still passionate, fractious, and vocal--but pleased) ;)
Thanks for all the help!
SWEET!
I'm so gonna peruse it to see which of my monster suggestions made it :)
Seriously though, that's great news ^_^
awesome
And so glad you guys are incorporating mythic rules. Any hints on what Juggernauts are?
awesome
And so glad you guys are incorporating mythic rules. Any hints on what Juggernauts are?
Isn't it a bit risky to use Mythic Rules? The book isn't out yet and reactions can go either way.
Will they add a little section to explain the rules, or will it be exclusive the core book?
So far most monsters in the starter-list sound like they come from page one of this wish-topic.
Nosferatu, The Great Old Ones, Argus (dragon78 wished for it on the first page), Grendel and Kaiju are all on the first page.
So me hopes bestiary 4 wasn't collected before I came into the wish topic ;)
So far I like: Nightgaunt, Leanan Sidhe, Grendel, Argus, Formian, Tooth Fairy, Almiraj (I do hope it isn't the Tome of Horror version but more based on the real blood hungry monster), Blood Golem (rather saw a blood ooze, but blood golems are good too, as long as they aren't like the D&D one with iron on it...), Karkinoi (which are probably some crab-folk) Einherjar and Bodysnatchers.
Most other monsters sounds like Unique ones (God, Demon Lords), very BIG fan favorites (Kaiju and Great Old Ones), and monsters taken from the Carrion Crown Ap's... not my cup of tea.
I don't think they are statting God... >.>
elohim
Which can be a god, the God, or a group of gods. And since James Jacobs has said Mythic won't be statting up gods, they are probably going in a different direction with elohim.
At least I got some stuff from my wishlist like Almiraj, Leanen Sidhe, Argus, Grendel, Nosferatu, and Formians. I can't wait to see what else got in there as well.
Nothing on my list is up there, but I can wait until I get the book to see if any of the New World monsters made it in. I'd be very happy :)
To me, it would be best to see monsters and characters that were mentioned, but yet, not completely exposed. No more individuals from each subtypes, but their ultimate ones, leaders, demigods and deities.
I know that this creatures are not really ones that would be included in a bestiary, but rather in a special book exclusive to them. It's just that I hope they can be more clearly presented to us and would love to see them in full colors as well.
I would like to see:
- The Spawns of Rovagug (at last Ulunat, Trilochan and the first/unnamed one)
- Psychopomp Usher (they are many, but at least some of them).
- Protean Lords (that only 3 are known).
- The nine Eldest.
- The four Whore Queens.
- The Elemental Lords (that are only 4).
- The Qlippoth lords (that only 6 are known to scholars).
- The enigmatic 5th archdaemon/horsemen, or the past archdaemons.
- More of the dragon deities (Dahak, Tiamat, Apsu) and their Heralds (dragons are my favorite creatures, but their gods were never really completely featured or, at least, in full colors).
I was happy to read that more of the Demon Lords and the Great Old Ones are going to make their appearance in the 4th bestiary. Rather than new ones, I think that consolidating the already mentioned is a better way to consolidate the game itself.
BUT, new ones are fine and cool as well. XD
I think making wishes for Bestiary 4 is a little bit too late. :-p