How do I create a Special Magic Scroll?

[DevotedKnight]

Hi There! And how are you?

I would like to create a special Magic Scroll using the create magic Item table. The magic spell inscribed on the Scroll would be the, “Protection from Evil”, which is a first level wizard. What makes this Magic Scroll special is that any character, regardless of class, can read the power word to activate the magic with in. I wish to achieve the same effect with a scroll as with a potion, except is scroll form.

I have the Scribe Scroll Feat, and know the “Protection from Evil” spell.

I wish to accomplished this by using the Single Use, Use Activated, instead to the Single Use, Spell Completion normally used for scrolls.

What is every ones opinion?

John

[bigkilla]

If you are the GM then just make it be that way.There is no harm in doing so. If you are a player that is a different story and will have to talk to your GM as there are no rules to allow that.

but anybody can cast from a scroll with the Use Magic device skill and a good enough roll.

[ShadowcatX]

By the rules, it can't be done.

IMO, if you're wanting to make what amounts to a potion and just reskin it as a scroll, I'd make you actually make it as a potion (increased cost and feat tax included) and they can be your own special type of scrolls.

[DevotedKnight]

These Scroll are called "Scrolls of Protection" and they come from D&D 1st edtion and Advanced D&D.

ShadowcatX wrote:

By the rules, it can't be done.

IMO, if you're wanting to make what amounts to a potion and just reskin it as a scroll, I'd make you actually make it as a potion (increased cost and feat tax included) and they can be your own special type of scrolls.

[Set]

The 'Wondrous Item' list includes 'elixirs' that are basically nothing more than potions that couldn't normally be made using the standard Brew Potion rules, so there's precedent for having variant Scrolls as Wondrous Items (perhaps called ofuda or texts or scripts or something), if you want to go that route.

On the other hand, Craft Wondrous Item already does too much, so I'd be inclined to have such a special scroll option simply be another function of the Scribe Scroll feat. Given the history of the game, with the various protection scrolls, I'd house rule it to only work for certain spells (such as the Protection from X and Magic Circle from X spells) and to require a +5 DC to the creation cost and extra price (equal to a potion of that spell), to make a 'scroll' that is usable by anyone who can read.

[ShadowcatX]

DevotedKnight wrote:

These Scroll are called "Scrolls of Protection" and they come from D&D 1st edtion and Advanced D&D.

Then play 1st edition or Advanced D&D. In this edition of the rules, by the rules, it can't be done.

[Jeraa]

DevotedKnight wrote:

I wish to accomplished this by using the Single Use, Use Activated, instead to the Single Use, Spell Completion normally used for scrolls.

What is every ones opinion?

A use-activated item is activated, well, by using the item. Nothing in the rules says a use-activated item can't take the form of a scroll, which is used by reading it. Just because the majority of the single use, use activated items are potions doesn't mean all have to be. While nothing similiar appears in the current rules, nothing is stopping you from making one this way. It would require Craft Wonderous Item, but I would have no problem with allowing Scribe Scroll to do it too. (It is magic contained on paper by magical ink that is activated by reading - it is a scroll and should be craftable by Scribe Scroll as well as Craft Wonderous Item. There is no reason an item can't be created by multiple feats.)

(And I was planning on doing the exact same thing for my houserules as well.)

Though I would suggest calling them something other then scrolls, to avoid confusion with normal scrolls.

[Sekret_One]

It wouldn't technically be 'spell completion' because that would require them to... well complete the spell. Meaning they'd have to be able to cast the spell normally.

Single use, use activated. Mechanically, it doubles the cost of a more restricted scroll (50 x CL x SL instead of 25 X CL X SL). And reading some words aloud from a page seems to sit suitably in how someone would 'use' a scroll.

I agree you should call them something other than scrolls, much like elixers are to potions. Maybe inscription, page, or seal?

[Kthulhu]

ShadowcatX wrote:

Then play 1st edition or Advanced D&D. In this edition of the rules, by the rules, it can't be done.

*facepalm*

One thing I really dislike about d20/3.X...somewhere along the line the index became more important than imagination.

[Kalyth]

Kthulhu wrote:

ShadowcatX wrote:

Then play 1st edition or Advanced D&D. In this edition of the rules, by the rules, it can't be done.

*facepalm*

One thing I really dislike about d20/3.X...somewhere along the line the index became more important than imagination.

Its comments like this that make me wonder what happened to the games I grew up with. This is supposed to be a game of fun and imagination. Telling someone to go play another game is actually kind of rude.

To the OP: By the rules no it cant be done but even the Developers/Writers bend the rules for story sake, its one of the bonuses you get for playing a Pen & Paper RPG rather than a Video/Computer Game.

It could be done with Craft Wonderous Item likewise if your DM allows it he/she may allow you to do a variant with Scribe Scroll at an increased cost. I'm sure you and your DM can figure it out without having to go and play different game. I personally like the idea of Protection Scrolls or Wardings. Just work it out with your DM.

[Kthulhu]

My take: Scribe Scroll as per usual, but it takes an extra couple of hours and 200 gp.

This is based on thothing more than my own opinion that saying "That can't be done under the rules" for a fantasy roleplaying game is the height of stupidity.

[ShadowcatX]

First off: Copying something from another game and moving it over whole scale is hardly imagination.

Second: I told him what the rules said on the topic, and then I told him how I would handle it in my first post.

Third: I only said "Go play first edition" in response to his comment about how the rules allowed it in first edition, which implied that this should be legal in this edition, or else that first edition was somehow better.

[HalifaxDM]

There are no rules per se for this but I prefer the old school approach and think this is a imaginative, flavorful interpretation and, as a DM, would definitely work with a player who wanted to do this. For balance purposes I would keep the cost similar to that of a potion but other than that I would see no harm at all.

[Matthew Morris]

count me for one wishing that Craft Scroll/Potion/Wand did more.

Is it UE that had 'craft weapons/armor' 'craft spell completeion' and 'craft spell trigger'?

[Jeraa]

Matthew Morris wrote:

count me for one wishing that Craft Scroll/Potion/Wand did more.

In my games, I allow Scribe Scroll to make any magical text or similiar - like a Blessed Book, or the tomes that give inherent bonuses to ability scores. Brew Potion I also allow to create any item that you eat/drink to get the benefits of, like elixers and magical food.

Craft Wonderous Item can still make those items as well, but it expands what Brew Potion and Scribe Scroll can do.

[Sean K Reynolds]

Just price it like a potion and you're fine. In terms of game mechanics, there's really no difference between "potion of protection from evil" and "scroll of protection from evil that anyone can use."