Well - I am back from my trip.
Shae - while I am glad to see you are excited about your progression I am also very excited to see everyone is having a good time and is happy.
For those of you who were curious - I went to a LARP this weekend. Did a reboot of a character I made before, and I had an amazing time playing this new character.
The LAST character's experience was so bad I wanted to quit the game, because I had so little fun - this time was awesome. I had a minor revelation about this while there, at least for me; for me to enjoy a game, I got to be more proactive.
I kind of expected to see that same level of "anima" when I got back from my trip - and eagerly saved this game for last, so I could get all the boring work done and see what's up. When I saw the posting here - or lack of it - I was a bit discouraged.
So - just putting it out there - by now you guys have a sense of the kind of game I am writing/running. It tends to be more writing/story intensive then others. Also - I like a lot of chatter on the boards. If this isn't your type of game - or if that IS your kind of game - but you're not that excited to do that sort of thing here - that's totally cool.
Just let me know, and I will toss up some recruitment threads for new players.
Thanks!
P.S. - Shae - Ras is right - Totally love the Dresdon idea - I also totally dig "multi-classing" types. However, if I was going Dresdon - I may be tempted to do a full rebuild.
By level 6 (which is near where you'd be) I'd probably have swapped out Wizard with the following types -
Sorcerer - Elemental: Fire - 3
Rogue; Investigator - 1 OR (possibly) level 1 Cleric with the Domain: Fire - just for flavor...
Ranger: Trophy Hunter - 2
I might even tap it up to the following, via stats -
str 12 (2)
dex 15 (7) +1 on level 4 for earlier "Firepower"/AC
con 12 (2)
int 14 (5)
wis 14 (5)
cha 15 (7) + 2 for Human +1 on Level 8 for Spell levels...
I reckon that's pretty much as close to Dres as can be - without quite having as much "potency" in the spell department, but your saves, combat mods, (not to mention your skills and special abilities) - reflect him better all around. He also doesn't need much in the way of spell selection - diversity is more apt -
But then - that is just me... :)
I'd stick with Sorcerer from then on - unless you dabble in Rouge once more for a Trick - but you'd "feel" more like the character from the book - more so then if you picked a class that was better for optimizing "Dex"/"Charisma" - and even though your stats are a bit "vanilla" in terms of averages (nothing AMAZING) - you'd by okay in the long run.
Sure, sure - it's not nearly as powerful as a wizard - but if you're looking for straight flavor of character rather then straight power - I'd go that route, but then; it's just a suggestion.
If you all are still interested in playing - please let me know what ideas you'd like to see cropping up soon - specific ideas or concepts that you suggest can easily be factored in.
For example - Ariarh has had some positive experience with her family because of backstory notes, and because she paid requisite gold for it.
Kae doesn't know it yet - but he will soon be having some "issues" via the "ghosts of his past" - i.e. - he has "daddy issues" coming...
Shaezon - you mentioned you wanted a P.I. type character and adventure - easily arranged. If you'd like you can start seeing some specific "small party" or single type party gaming material for just such an expert as you :)
Ras - not entirely sure what your immediate plans or goals are - though we've talked about them, I confess I'me fairly out of sorts and simply can't recall. Let me know what you'd like, and we can go from there...
Okay - sounds good. Remember - when you get back to Saravale you'll be formally hitting level 6. Until then, good hunting!
I would like to work on the introduction in game of Priestess Isani ...
Sounds good - I shall toss up that intro on the "Combat thread" for you and Arasmes to meet sometime later this week... I'll start with Isani first - then I'll roll him into it as soon as I can, and as soon as he is able.
Just came to understand he's going to be pretty busy this week packing - as he is moving up north for some amazing and surprising news!
Yay!
But - I shall let him share the good news with all...
Okay, will look out for the intro on the other thread.
And, whenever Ras' new character can show, we will play it out on the combat thread.
Though I like the idea I think I'm going to stick with my original character build. Though if opportunity presents itself (or can be arranged) I may still carry a revolver (perhaps a magicked one so I won't completely suck with it). Even Dresden wasn't very good with his. The only time I remember him killing someone with his it was a Coup de gras. It won't be a major factor, but more for entertainment value. Holding a gun to someone's head is a lot more intimidating than a stick (wand?).
I'm going to stick with the Pathfinder Adept PRC. It's got a very detective/archeologist feel to it.
Of course - that was all just a suggestion. I like to use classes to build a concept, not just the concept = a class. But as for carrying a pistol, or a revolver? Well - just remember that when I run my game I am allowing players to pick up stuff from the d20pf2rd.com site.
Toward that end, check out the following:
If you can afford it, and you can find someone who can craft you one - you can have a revolver, no problem.
Just remember, despite the formal "Rules on Advanced Firearms" selection - I am playing it that unless you are a Gunslinger with the deeds/grit - using the weapon is not a ranged touch attack - but a standard ranged attack.
However - it is still pretty bad-ass, though... at least for the concept :) AND if you have magical bullets on it...
Depending on how much I actually use it I may get some grit, but I suspect it will only ever be a backup as opposed to a main focus.
Depending on how much I actually use it I may get some grit, but I suspect it will only ever be a backup as opposed to a main focus.
Yeah - that's why I recommended "Ranger: Trophy Hunter" rather then straight Gunslinger. I know it's two classes - but the BAB is the same - you also gain Grit and Deeds - but you have more skill points to play with - and the skills you gain are more useful for "Tracking down a bounty" then a basic gunslinger.
FYI: Billy Banks (Halfling kid who hangs out with Brett?) - has a sawed-off shotgun :)
With THAT weapon you don't even need to "hit" - it's literally a "15 foot cone effect" (that is - the central "Grid" extends 15 feet from the barrel of the gun - first grid is 1x1, second grid is 3x1 and the last grid is ALSO 3x1 - in this case you do not "design" your own cone) - however, everyone in the cone is automatically "hit" - unless they make a Reflex save for Half Damage.
I could see you with that item the most, then - you don't need the Exotic Weapon Prof. to "hit" - because it's just an "area of effect" ability - you just need to purchase the weapon and the cartridges for it. Not to mention loading it - but that is still pretty useful, and (if I recall) Dres was not completely opposed to a sawed-off shotgun... :)
Hey, thought to perhaps start up rumor/knowledge of my secondary bard. Maybe a whisper of a performer, but not yet that big a deal, nad not available for real investigation...
If that's a possibility, then I'll flesh her out, nad send you the sheet, and make the alias...
Arasmes plans are kind of up in the air right now. He isn't even sure about staying at the moment after what he witnessed. Of course, he probably will end up staying, mostly because of the fact that I like playing him, but if that wasn't the case I'm not sure he as a person would stay after seeing the slaughter of a baby. He'll just need to work through it somehow.
Also FYI, I changed my archer into a female named Lazurien instead of Lazuresh.
It was a unborn crow and not a human baby ... and it had been created from dark/evil magic and its permitted existence would have been a perversion of nature.
Depending on how much I actually use it I may get some grit, but I suspect it will only ever be a backup as opposed to a main focus.Yeah - that's why I recommended "Ranger: Trophy Hunter" rather then straight Gunslinger. I know it's two classes - but the BAB is the same - you also gain Grit and Deeds - but you have more skill points to play with - and the skills you gain are more useful for "Tracking down a bounty" then a basic gunslinger.
FYI: Billy Banks (Halfling kid who hangs out with Brett?) - has a sawed-off shotgun :)
With THAT weapon you don't even need to "hit" - it's literally a "15 foot cone effect" (that is - the central "Grid" extends 15 feet from the barrel of the gun - first grid is 1x1, second grid is 3x1 and the last grid is ALSO 3x1 - in this case you do not "design" your own cone) - however, everyone in the cone is automatically "hit" - unless they make a Reflex save for Half Damage.
I could see you with that item the most, then - you don't need the Exotic Weapon Prof. to "hit" - because it's just an "area of effect" ability - you just need to purchase the weapon and the cartridges for it. Not to mention loading it - but that is still pretty useful, and (if I recall) Dres was not completely opposed to a sawed-off shotgun... :)
He liked sawed off shotguns. He had a favorite ammo called "dragon rounds" or something. They were badass, but melted the gun. Won't go that route mechanically, but thematically that could be cool.
It was a unborn crow and not a human baby ... and it had been created from dark/evil magic and its permitted existence would have been a perversion of nature.
The same could have been said for Arasmes when he was born. Also the description was "like a crow in a crude humanoid shape" as humanoid it would look somewhat human-like. Either way that would be Ariarh's opinion and Arasmes would have his. But just saying categorically that it was a perversion of nature wouldn't sway him in the slightest, again as he has been called exactly that in the past. Different perspectives and all lol.
So I just posted Shae's response to Brett. Hopefully his short tirade earns some modicum of respect from the gunslinger. I assess that Brett is going to like the kind of person who has a backbone. Ideally this will be a segway into an amusing friendship between Brett and Shae, but we shall see. ;-)
To be fair, here is an excellent description of said thing:
No, no - totally kidding, just thought it was good for a laugh is all...
But Ras, as I see you on now - when is a good day for you to be introducing your new character (and NO - a Strix is not a perversion of nature, that was completely a joke :)
Bravo Shae! I was in the middle of writing Arasmes somewhat scathing remarks to the penny pinching "little person" when I saw yours lol. Arasmes wouln't have much of a problem with Brett if he weren't so downright rude in the way he talks to people.
Whenever? what sort of thing did you have in mind? As in how much time do you need me on for?
I think throwing out the price of what it could actually cost him helps too. For that kind of gold I'd happily go on a "per spell" basis. My thought is that he wouldn't want that. Hell, after one week I'd have 7700 Gold. ;-)
Yeah and considering i cast the equivalent of 6 3rd level spells just with the summons, things would add up quick for me as well. Though I'm not sure how spell like abilities are calculate for payment, i would imagine the same as a regular spell caster but i'm not sure. Not that it really matters as I seriously doubt Arasmes would be that mercenary lol.
I'm sure SLA's are calculated the same as any other spell casting service.
lol, Yinz is silly. Kae's going to say sumthin too.
you think we can mention my alt as well, just in passing, but set the stage, as it were.
lol, Yinz is silly. Kae's going to say sumthin too.
you think we can mention my alt as well, just in passing, but set the stage, as it were.
Suzy made her character first - as such it gets first "dibs" in the group.
Logan made his character next - so he will "bump into" Suzy's character soon after she jumps in.
Then, after they wander around a bit - you will jump next.
Ah - FYI - though you have characters who are ALT's - and they will start on 6 - they will not level up as fast as your primary character.
Actually - that is somewhat confusing - you need to tell me what your "primary" character is - that is the one who will be one level ahead. So, if you end up liking your ALT more - let me know between chapters, we can rotate them - but when you level up - the one who goes up is the one who is your primary - while your ALT will probably be one level back.
Almost like a Cohort - but he independent of your primary character, same point buy - and same other issues as well. Just something to think over, is all...
Yay!
Do we level now?
I'm sure SLA's are calculated the same as any other spell casting service.
Quick Clarification: Spells, spell-like abilities, skills, and other things are generally calculated the same way across the board. A person in the game will provide a service and set a cost. You can either pay the coin or not - it's pretty much up to you.
Sometimes a person will require a "favor" for a service, other times they will accept barter for for a service (as in food, or clothing in the winter) or even a set of spell components.
So - theoretically - a person could charge 1,000,000 GP for an Orison - and if he found a buyer - he could be very rich very quickly. On the other hand - he may set a price for a service and then discover that no one will pay him for the price he requests.
And even if the entire capital was eager for a service, they may not even have (collectively) the loot to pay for it, even if the entire town was liquidated, sold, and the people reduced to slaves for the coin - if the price was too high, no matter how much they want it.
Short answer - sales aren't always a given - a lot of what they deal with has to do with the market as well as the ability to pay.
Which means, theoretically - some spells/spell-like abilities can be worth a lot more or a lot less, then the books "market value" - but only time and experience will tell.
Do we level now?
Not at all!
Remember - you guys are still on the same day "technically" - the plan was once you got back to Saravale, but (because I forgot) - you are actually going to get Drake first, so you can then leave him as a sort of provincial governor in the town while you explore the southlands.
This gives you a chance for some more social-RP with your ol' buddy Brett, who is still watching you with a mean "Clint Eastwood-esque" kind of look :)
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This gives you a chance for some more social-RP with your ol' buddy Brett, who is still watching you with a mean "Clint Eastwood-esque" kind of look :)
If Clint Eastwood was 3 feet tall and adorable with his wee wittle guns and such. I just want to pick him up and dunk him in my coffee!
but my alt's totally seperate from Kae. in face, she's not likely to care much for him, as she's going to be LG, and He's CN with a bit of a fondness for violence, despite his best efforts...
but my alt's totally seperate from Kae. in face, she's not likely to care much for him, as she's going to be LG, and He's CN with a bit of a fondness for violence, despite his best efforts...
True - but this is a caveat I am going to impose simply because I don't want to have to worry about dealing with so many side characters.
I figure that, eventually - you'll probably pick one character that you focus on specifically - and then go from there.
Since you don't gain XP from normal ways - but completing specific "chapters" in the story - having (theoretically) 6 - 8 people suddenly jump in level, not counting NPC's and so forth who may be traveling with you - never mind the complexities of gaming with MapTools and Skype battles - it can be really tricky really fast.
(never mind when/if you get Leadership for the new characters - that's a whole lot of "extra" to deal with too - ahhh! :)
So, in time, you'll pick the hero you like best - they both quest, and go on adventures, and you'll both get treasure and so on - but when I say "okay, level up" - then you'll raise both levels - one for each - one of them will simply be one level behind - you can pick which one.
Loving the interplay but not sure where this will go lol.
Loving the interplay but not sure where this will go lol.
Kae offered a pragmatic olive leaf, while revealing his darker side, a little bit...
Loving the interplay but not sure where this will go lol.Kae offered a pragmatic olive leaf, while revealing his darker side, a little bit...
The spirits heard you - the real question is; now what do you intend to do with their response?
lol, they heard what i said before and ignored my question...
maybe they'll answer Kae later if he redeems himself. then Kae can offer the closure to Raz that he was trying to.
No - no - you literally need to answer the spirits - and soon! Your alignment hangs in the balance, and how you answer the question. If you cannot answer them by sundown, they will come looking for you!
Talk to your companions - ask them for help - just decide what you want to do...
to all:p By the end of the week we'll have the new ALT's Cooking - look for the story roughly at Wed for Ry - Ras should jump in or on by Thursday (depending on how Ry does) and by the end of the week - Kae...
Remember - This thread will be on the "combat thread" until you can meet up - and from there we can go ahead and advance; more details to come, though...
Wow Brett is an arrogant little prick! He couldn't have pushed Arasmes out the door any harder than if he spit in his face.
Wow Brett is an arrogant little prick! He couldn't have pushed Arasmes out the door any harder than if he spit in his face.
Kinda have to agree. Shae tried to give hiim an olive branch, but Brett was too busy being opinionated to bother with the details. Shae was more than happy to pay for potions used and said as much. Brett just ignored the fact that Shae was ok with paying for the potions and kept griping about it. At this moment in Shae's eyes Brett has shown himself to be an ignorant little pratt. As such Shae won't give much credence to anything he says. That's not to say an ignorant little pratt with a gun isn't useful to have around, but Shae will be quietly encouraging another council member to be the book keeper. Shae feels that may be too mentallly strenuous an activity for the little halfling.
Of course Shae's irritation with Brett may be a carry over from a mirrored situation in my personal life. ;-)
So I just got back from this really fun weekend - was doing a Live-Action RP game. You spend the whole weekend running around in armor - terrible weather, getting into combats (even fake one's are still physically stressful) and so on.
By Sunday morning most the 90+ people were pretty zonked out - over half of us having slept less then ten hours all weekend - plus the exertion of physical combat and such.
Needless to say, though we were all there to have a good time and have fun, even people "in character" were starting to get somewhat aggressive with each other "out of character". Hell - there was even a time on Sunday when I walked up to another player and we kind of got in each other's faces; sort of a "high noon" moment.
Sure the confrontation was between two players "in game" - but I kid you not, I looked him in the eye, and I knew how I felt personally, and I could see the same look in his eye too - I promise you all that it was nearly a sliver away from actually coming to physical blows - not "in-game" stuff, but actual real life fighting. I guess it was because after all the stuff that weekend, fun as it was - our nerves were shot and it almost got ugly.
However, just before that happened, I remembered then the two cardinal rules they hammered into us every time we do this:
1. Be nice
2. Don't escalate
We were all trying to have a fun time - sometimes people get a little frazzled, and sometimes people push a little too hard - especially in the vein of "in character", and sometimes - when that happens - it can come off as pretty harsh.
Text and postings are worse, I think, because (at least, I've been told) 90% of communication isn't the words, but all the other stuff BESIDES words, none of which is clear on Play-by-Post forums.
So for now, I'm putting up those two rules that I saw work well in the Live Action game.
1. Be Nice
2. Don't Escalate.
Since I've started this game I've seen a lot of players who did things in their postings that have come across as downright negative, mean, and unnecessary (I'm talking pretty much across the Paizo Play-by-Posts in general; and I'm sure we've all seen that happen before in other games, too).
While the occasional negative Social RP makes sense on the boards, because we're playing our characters out - it doesn't need to happen on the Discussion Thread; when we're not playing characters, but instead we're supposed to be a group of friends playing a game and discussing it.
Finally - I understand during Skype battles or other similar things that there is tension, stress and frustration (especially at late nights) - but posting is different. You are literally putting it up there for people to read - not a slip, not an accident, but it's intentional and meant to be there.
Everyone makes mistakes - everyone has issues - and everyone slips. I do it probably more then anyone - and I try not to, but it happens. I am also sure I have pushed some of you guys the wrong way, probably even doing it on purpose, from time to time - I'm sorry for that.
In fact, I am resolved to do better at in the future, and I intend to make it a personal mission to be "nicer" on the boards so that all of us can have a good time. If you think I'm not doing a good job, or if you want to discuss something with me - you all know my email - let me know and we can chat about it privately.
I want everyone to have a good time, though. I don't want to see people acting Mean, and I don't want it to Escalate. It can ruin a game very quickly.
That said - if any of you would like to talk to me - if you are upset with something I'm doing in the game, or how I'm running it, or just want to air some opinions with me on my style, storytelling, rules interpretation- and so on - let me know. That's not a friendly "Let's do lunch" - I really want to know. If what I am doing is causing you to not enjoy the game - tell me now, I'd rather fix it then continue to write pages of plot and story for the coming weeks and lose players suddenly because they are not happy and suddenly quit because it is no longer fun for them.
I would rather solve that sooner then later - if it means me changing something in my style to make it fit; cool. If it means me saying - "Sorry, that's not how I do things - I can't change that" - that's cool too, then you'll know it, and we can move on amicably - maybe rebooting a character, or opening up the game for new recruiting, or whatever makes the best sense.
Bottom line - I want us all to have a good time. So, just let me know - and we can go from there.
Thanks!
FYI – Logan – I know you are planning on playing a Stix – I want to work you into the story as soon as I can this week – but I need to know a little more background. When I allowed the creation of the new “Cleric” character, I gave it some heavy plot background to work it into the game – I want to know more about your guy, so we can do the same for him, too.
Waiph – the same goes for you as well. When I know more about your character – background especially – I will be in a better position to add him in to the game.
FYI – Logan – I know you are planning on playing a Stix – I want to work you into the story as soon as I can this week – but I need to know a little more background. When I allowed the creation of your new “Cleric” character, I gave it some heavy plot background to work it into the game – I want to know more about your guy, so we can do the same for him, too.
Waiph – the same goes for you as well. When I know more about your character – background especially – I will be in a better position to add him in to the game.
I emailed you about Kae's kohort, and one version of the Bard i wanna run, as well as sought advice. dunno if you've had a chance to look them over. And with the changling, if you don't like it for the game, i'd still love some critique for her as a character...
to all[ now i dunno about here, but one thing i've done with RL games with friends and seen done is sort of a plan for a character conflict. That way players are able to take a list of their characters plausable reactions to another player, and the other player's character's reactions and know that they won't start a character war.
example, one character is a samurai charged with returning escaped slaves to the capital, and i was one such escaped slave. so that player and i talked a bit OOC about the characters. and mine was of the mind to be ok hanging out with him, pretending to be enslaved, as long as he wasn't chained or forced to do anything he didn't want to, and the samurai was not actually in support of slavery.
So we had out conflicts and fights in character that made sense, but acted in a way that we got close to those lines without actually crossing them. we were very careful to not cross those lines, and talked about them in advance, and we got to have some seriously fantastic fights in game, several actually coming to blows, doing lots of lethal damage and requiring serious healing afterwords.
it was fantastic!
FYI – Logan – I know you are planning on playing a Stix – I want to work you into the story as soon as I can this week – but I need to know a little more background. When I allowed the creation of your new “Cleric” character, I gave it some heavy plot background to work it into the game – I want to know more about your guy, so we can do the same for him, too.
Waiph – the same goes for you as well. When I know more about your character – background especially – I will be in a better position to add him in to the game.
I emailed you about Kae's kohort, and one version of the Bard i wanna run, as well as sought advice. dunno if you've had a chance to look them over. And with the changling, if you don't like it for the game, i'd still love some critique for her as a character...
to all[ now i dunno about here, but one thing i've done with RL games with friends and seen done is sort of a plan for a character conflict. That way players are able to take a list of their characters plausable reactions to another player, and the other player's character's reactions and know that they won't start a character war.
example, one character is a samurai charged with returning escaped slaves to the capital, and i was one such escaped slave. so that player and i talked a bit OOC about the characters. and mine was of the mind to be ok hanging out with him, pretending to be enslaved, as long as he wasn't chained or forced to do anything he didn't want to, and the samurai was not actually in support of slavery.
So we had out conflicts and fights in character that made sense, but acted in a way that we got close to those lines without actually crossing them. we were very careful to not cross those lines, and talked about them in advance, and we got to have some seriously fantastic fights in game, several actually coming to blows, doing lots of lethal damage and requiring serious healing afterwords.
it was fantastic!
Kae - first, had a chance to see your emails - liked them a lot. I need to step back and read things over, though briefly as I've been multi-tasking a lot; but it looks good.
Remember - you are recently in the River Kingdom - how you meet the other new players is going to be something we need to know more about. It will effect things a lot - as I have already built in actual story and plot development to get the ball rolling.
If you are available for Skype - let me know - we can chat more then, soon. :)
p.s. - I like your idea for the inter-party stuff a lot, though. Good times!
That's fine. I guess the main issue that I am having is that the issue wasn't really with a player but with a dmpc. Brett is rude, crass, and generally someone that Arasmes wouldn't really be interested in being friends with mostly because of the way he seems to treat those around him not named Ariarh lol. The other problem that I'm having is that I created a character based upon a certain understanding of what this country was supposed to be about and I'm having a hard time trying to marry the concept with the game. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if Arasmes saw even a little bit of regret but the blasé attitude scares the crap out of him and not having the least bit of understanding especially knowing Arasmes background and racial heritage himself, has made it really difficult to figure out a way to get back into this. Brett basically saying "suck it up pansy" isn't going to help. Kae made an attempt and Arasmes appreciated it because he didn't just dismiss his concerns as irrelevant nor heap scorn on them like Aliento. I want a way back in so any help would be appreciated.
Dain, will get you some more background but I gave a bit when I put the three characters up. Also Lazuresh is now Lazurien and a female strix. Same basic concept though, she is tired of her race's war with the humans and is coming here at the start of a new country to show her people that strix and humans can live harmoniously together.
Who had an OOC argument? I was never upset about anything OOC. Just roleplaying. Besides, I had a problem with an NPC not PC and I role-played it. lol.
That's fine. I guess the main issue that I am having is that the issue wasn't really with a player but with a dmpc. Brett is rude, crass, and generally someone that Arasmes wouldn't really be interested in being friends with mostly because of the way he seems to treat those around him not named Ariarh lol. The other problem that I'm having is that I created a character based upon a certain understanding of what this country was supposed to be about and I'm having a hard time trying to marry the concept with the game. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if Arasmes saw even a little bit of regret but the blasé attitude scares the crap out of him and not having the least bit of understanding especially knowing Arasmes background and racial heritage himself, has made it really difficult to figure out a way to get back into this. Brett basically saying "suck it up pansy" isn't going to help. Kae made an attempt and Arasmes appreciated it because he didn't just dismiss his concerns as irrelevant nor heap scorn on them like Aliento. I want a way back in so any help would be appreciated.
Fair enough points. Here are a few quick responses. I do not mean them to be snarky or anything, I am literally trying to answer as best as I can, but if they seem unfairly harsh, it was not my intention.
1. Brett is an NPC - his formal "Place" in this land is a "Lord" of the land, via "The Council". Arasmes, a former slave - is literally arguing with (quite intently) a "lord of the land" (even though this is still and NPC) - and whether or not Brett is crude (he is) - or well mannered (he isn't), he is still on a Council that governs the people. You are probably aware that Brett feels frustrated with Arasmes's desire to dictate terms on government and politics when you've met recently - especially on how the current "Government" is "governing" things.
2. The country is based on ideas that the players tossed out. Most of them are pretty cut and dry (via "national alignment" and so on: NG, by the way) - but your most stringent argument so far is that the group did something your character didn't like (killing a baby monster) and he's going to argue about it, hotly, in fact because you don't like what you saw. Okay - you think what they did was wrong - you can say "well - it's over", and move on - or not.
Brett might literally say "suck it up" - because there's not much more to be said. It was a monster, and you went here to kill it, and you killed it. Now that it's dead - what more can be done?
3. Also - I noticed your comment about Ariarh. While there are lots of things to consider there, I should say mainly, to be honest - can you blame Brett? She is the only one of the original group that has stayed through the entire quest - of all of you (with the possible exception of Kae, who he knows well, and is generally very friendly too, when they rub shoulders) - are "new" to Brett. He has no reason to know you well - and as he's said several times, the majority of his companions have left the party, sometimes stealing gear, sometimes riding off. Why should Brett think you guys are any different then the former members of the party - who come for a while, join for a season or two, take some treasure, then leave the party? I thought that seemed both logical and reasonable to assume he'd be suspicious of new people who he barely knows - but it was only supposed to be an in-game dynamic; that's all.
4. Also, if you recall - although Aliento has done nothing but heap scorn on you - it was Brett that rode over and broke up the fight - telling Aliento to back off and leave you alone, or you'd have to deal with him. Aliento is completely a prick - that was mean to be clear. I assumed that you two would be at it for a bit, but I also assumed that if Brett "assisted" you - then it would create an easy way for you to get back into the story with the group.
But, the point is - you told me - and now I will do what I can to help the situation along. If Brett is becoming problematic, I can change him to fit the needs of the group - he is there strictly as a "support" character for the group; to assist you all. This is why he is so "multi-classed" - he is supposed to be able to (in a pinch) be a second fiddle to anyone in the party - so you can shine, but if you are hurting, he can help. If he's overshadowing the group - or causing trouble - I'll do what I can to tone it down.
Thank you for letting me know, and I will do what I can to make it work.
Who had an OOC argument? I was never upset about anything OOC. Just roleplaying. Besides, I had a problem with an NPC not PC and I role-played it. lol.
Apologies, Wes. I just meant the commentary on the Discussion Thread was what got to me. I am happy to discuss the game here, and do what I can to make things work well - but when I read the two comments about Brett being a prick - well... I guess I didn't see much latitude for discussion. It was like "Hey - this guy is an ass!" Okay - that doesn't really help me with what you guys are looking for - and it comes across as insulting.
If I saw "I don't like how your character is going - can you ease up a bit? It's getting to be a pain."
I just didn't want to see negative comments on the Discussion Thread that seemed counter-productive.
That's all. I don't think there was anything out of line on the OOC posts on the campaign threads, I should add.
By the way - if there is anything I can do to advance or adjust the game to help you enjoy it more - let me know here. I'll be happy to do so - you guys are coming up to some neat stuff in the game - and I've done a lot to write things out for you all - I am excited to see it play out. But I am more excited if you guys are liking the game, too.
That said - when you get back to Saravale - I think you'll be interested in what is in store for your character - though the other members will have to wait a bit for their new "cookies", as it were. Still - if you let me know how I can improve things for you in any way, I'll do what I can.
Dain, will get you some more background but I gave a bit when I put the three characters up. Also Lazuresh is now Lazurien and a female strix. Same basic concept though, she is tired of her race's war with the humans and is coming here at the start of a new country to show her people that strix and humans can live harmoniously together.
Interesting... just trying to figure out where you are going to pop up is all - look for the character to come in soon, though. More to come.
Ok I understand a bit more of Brett's motivations...that being said, he is an NPC and therefore anything we say about him you should not take as insulting.
To answer your points though:
1. Brett can feel frustrated all he likes and his "position" as a lord of the land does not mean that he is above criticism. He cannot expect me to just say Yes master and no master because he is a council member. He was the one that several times said he didn't like it when people talk high and aren't straight with him. Yet the first time that Arasmes is trying to be really straight...he doesn't want to hear it. So apparently he has no problem at all taking Arasmes to task for not telling him that he can summon a demon but when Arasmes has a problem with them killing a "baby monster" Arasmes is now the one being unreasonable. It just smacks of hypocrisy is all.
2. Arasmes is less concerned about what happened, because as you said it is in the past, than he is with what will happen in the future. His major concern is that this sort of thing, killing babies regardless of origin, will be viewed as something good or righteous or even acceptable. When Arasmes looked down on that child he saw himself and all others that general society considers evil. Had that child been a tiefling, or half-demon, would it still have been killed? Where is the line? Who determines who lives and who dies? Those are the questions eating at Arasmes because say he decides to have a child here, and that child is tainted by his evil heritage, will it be killed? Why is he exempt but that child was not?
3. That's fine and I really didn't mean anything by it. Mainly I was pointing out that your dmpc or npc or whatever he is, is not making it easy for the party to gel.
4. Brett came over and broke up the fight yes...but took a pretty big swipe at Arasmes at the same time when he was the one being abused and insulted by Aliento. Then he continued to basically tell Arasmes to shut the frak up and no one wants to hear what he has to say. Again not exactly making it easy to gel.
Bottom line is you as the DM make the morality in the game world, I'm trying to figure it out. To Arasmes, that was straight up 100% an evil action to kill that child. You know his background, you knew exactly what would happen as you even wrote it correctly in the post that you made using Arasmes voice. Knowing that you as the DM knew just how vociferously Arasmes would argue against such an action and how big of an issue it would be for him. I can't even think of a way that you could have pushed Arasmes button more. That scene went smack to the heart of what Arasmes came here in the hopes of stopping and yet within a week of arriving the VERY THING he thought this land would prevent, not only happens right in front of him, but everyone is fine and dandy with it and acting as if Arasmes is being ridiculous.
Just FYI, I as a player am fine and am not upset or anything.
Ok I understand a bit more of Brett's motivations...that being said, he is an NPC and therefore anything we say about him you should not take as insulting.
To answer your points though:
1. Brett can feel frustrated all he likes and his "position" as a lord of the land does not mean that he is above criticism. He cannot expect me to just say Yes master and no master because he is a council member. He was the one that several times said he didn't like it when people talk high and aren't straight with him. Yet the first time that Arasmes is trying to be really straight...he doesn't want to hear it. So apparently he has no problem at all taking Arasmes to task for not telling him that he can summon a demon but when Arasmes has a problem with them killing a "baby monster" Arasmes is now the one being unreasonable. It just smacks of hypocrisy is all.
2. Arasmes is less concerned about what happened, because as you said it is in the past, than he is with what will happen in the future. His major concern is that this sort of thing, killing babies regardless of origin, will be viewed as something good or righteous or even acceptable. When Arasmes looked down on that child he saw himself and all others that general society considers evil. Had that child been a tiefling, or half-demon, would it still have been killed? Where is the line? Who determines who lives and who dies? Those are the questions eating at Arasmes because say he decides to have a child here, and that child is tainted by his evil heritage, will it be killed? Why is he exempt but that child was not?
3. That's fine and I really didn't mean anything by it. Mainly I was pointing out that your dmpc or npc or whatever he is, is not making it easy for the party to gel.
4. Brett came over and broke up the fight yes...but took a pretty big swipe at Arasmes at the same time when he was the one being abused and insulted by Aliento. Then he continued to basically tell Arasmes to shut the frak up and no one wants to hear what he has to say. Again not...
I look forward to seeing your response to Sir Dashan's question then.
I am glad you are fine, by the way.
My Harry Dresden-ish build from another thread, assuming the draconic features are subtle or the middle ages fantasy interpretation of a modern concept. It maximizes HP fighter-ish stuff while still being a font of arcane power both ritual (wiz) and spontaneous (sorcerer). It's a gestalt build, naturally. ;-)
WIzard/Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple(DD)/Pathfinder savant(PFS)/Gunslinger(one level only)/Eltrich Knight(EK).
Off the top of my head Here is how I would build it
1-5 Wiz/Draconic sorcerer
6 Dragon disciple/Gunslinger
7-14 DD/PFS
15-16 DD/Wiz
17-20 Sor/EK
I think that sufficiently maximizes HP, BAB and Caster level
"So what do you do for a living?"
"I AM A FONT OF ARCANE POWER! FEAR MY WRATH! Plus if all else fails I have ole' bessie." Pats revolver on holster.
Incidentally also what I would want to be IRL with the Immortality discovery of course. ;-)