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I'd have started sundering trees. Her entire ability is dependent on her being able to walk in and out of a tree for shot on the run and tree stride.
A good 6th level melee character should be able to down a tree every round or so, times about 30-60 trees...
Yeah, within six hours you should have had a big enough portion of the forest clear-cut to force a confrontation.
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Set the trees on fire.
Set the trees on fire.
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Yeah, hug the party Druid, but the trees have to go. Sounds like your DM has set a fiat where the nymph always knows your position and you don't know hers. So readying won't do any good, and you don't have good sight. So given a perfect getaway setup, you have no chance; you can't fight her on her terms, and the GM has set it up as unsinkable in straight-up combat.
Yeah, hug the party Druid, but the trees have to go. Sounds like your DM has set a fiat where the nymph always knows your position and you don't know hers. So readying won't do any good, and you don't have good sight. So given a perfect getaway setup, you have no chance; you can't fight her on her terms, and the GM has set it up as unsinkable in straight-up combat.
Cleric-->Summon monster III---> as many fire elementals as possible.
Barbarian--> Start hacking down trees.
Alchemist--> Firebomb (sticky if possible)
Zen Archer--> Flaming arrows
Ranger --> See Zen archer
ooooh....
He's a lumberjack and he's ok,
He sleeps all night cause he works all day...
Well, if you're fighting it for 6 hours anyways...
Ready an action to shoot her when she steps out of a tree. Seriously. Not that difficult.for 18 rounds I was readyied.. Did you not read the 30 foot limit to sight. We could only see within 30 feet, the nymph could see further, even with my 120 foot darkvision the DM ruled that sight was limited to 30 feet. So the Nymph used the trees and the distance to always choose an area outside my sight (I even went invis for 5 rounds to try and get a jump but the GM always placed her on the opposite side of a tree or on opposite side of map that was concealed from my attacks or sight).
The GM is just cheating at this point then.
There's tactics, and then there's like arcade-game style mind-reading difficulty.
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Your best bet is honestly to just say 'screw it then' and go back to town. Pick a bar fight when you get there, just so you don't miss out on any XP.
I mean, if your table has devolved into a 'GM-vs-PC' competition, then why not go meta with it?
Do you really HAVE to kill said Nymph?
Barring that, you could try not fighting it. Lie down and play dead or something.
Get creative and take the adventure off the rails...
I've read all the suggestions and I think I'd still recommend burning it all down.
you've got an alchemist in your party i how he has plenty of bombs left torch the trees that are with in the 30 foot vision and then she will have to deal with the "black fog" as well and how many times has she jumped because there is a limit to this spell.
Umm..., why did you stay in the fog?
Leave. Go do your mission.
If she follows, kill her, if not, ignore her.
If she's guarding something you need, take it. She's not 'guarding' too much while zipping around. Heck leave the high AC/healers behind while a few others go rob her.
If your objective is to kill her, you're screwed because she can leave at will with that type of Tree Stride rehashing anyway. Essentially you have to go back and prep specifically to fight this 'unfun' encounter a second time. Sorry.
During which the DM will likely have her prep for your prep, repeating the problem because...
Your DM does "seem" to be metagaming. But who knows, the Nymph may read minds or have godly Int/Wis which makes him feel she can outthink your PCs (even if he can't), or maybe she has some 'woodsense' or can see from the trees.
Any way you slice it...
Putting a 30' blindness gaze creature in a (contrived) area where you can only see 30' (how convenient) is asking for a TPBlind. Can't see her over 30', and tactically, you should probably close your eyes any closer, while she darts freely about for THAT long? And in this 30' zone she always happens be positioned where she can't be effectively attacked very often? (Or 'why are you so spread out?' if it's not a 30' zone...60' actually, looking both ways)
Anyway, 30' does seem like you should be able to see each other for those readied actions.
I'm all for nasty monster combos/trickery/environment advantage, but this is abusive (and wasting LOTS of fun time).
Burn the forest, if only to express your rage.
(Actually, you may want to e-mail your DM voicing your concerns, maybe even with a link to this thread.)
Only a DM can destroy a "DM-I-WIN" monster.
Why are you trying to kill a nymph?
I would have asked myself this after at least an hour of fighting. Or at least questioned whether it's imperative or not that we kill the nymph. When a battle becomes tedious, frustrating, and/or boring, it's time for it to end. Also, burn the forest down.
ooooh....
He's a lumberjack and he's ok,
He sleeps all night cause he works all day...
He burns down trees, he slaughters nymphs, he goes to the lavat'ry
On wednesdays he goes shopping, has buttered scones for tea!
I dunno ... a wand of flaming sphere can dish out an awful lot of burning in its life, even at CL 3rd. They should burn away all the fog near them, provide plentiful illumination with enough of them and after a minute of igniting trees the tree-hopping hippeh should be willing to negotiate.
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The solution that comes to me is to keep moving out of the area of the vision limiting spell.
Failing that, if you can't attack the nymph, by all means attack the trees. If you're not getting attacks anyways, then you might as well do something to hurt the nymph, even if its only emotionally.
Alternate tactics might include diplomacy/bluff/intimidate checks to force her to change her tactics.
Also, if you get an opportunity, don't attack her. Grapple her. And then everyone else can attack her.
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Well, fire seems to be a pretty good idea, á la the "set yourself on fire because the penalty for being on fire is less than the penalty for fighting in complete darkness" principle. Fire brings light, burns away fog, and hurts the nymph baddie. Even better, however, I would say that the threat of fire would work wonders. Nymphs are creatures of nature. Threaten to start a forest fire, making it clear that you will do so whatever the cost to yourselves, unless she complies with your demands.
If this is unworkable, a big part of this encounter is the vision-limiting fog. One trick that's usually effective in such a situation, is to worsen it. When you come back, bring spells and scrolls to further reduce visibility, preferably of a type that you yourselves can deal with. She can apparently see through the fog, but can she see through magical darkness? If not, she will find that neither side can do much to the other - a marked improvement for your side.
Climb the trees. If it's DC 15, you're good to go. Find the tree she's sitting in, zip up and grapple her. Once she is no longer in contact with the trees, no more zipping around. Plus, grappling a nymph sounds like a good deal.
Fly above the trees. All of you, invest in potions of fly, or a magic carpet, or similar magic. Bomb her and her forest back to the stone age. On a similar note, use summon spells to bring up flying creatures. She can maneuver, sure, but can she do that better than an air elemental? Or twelve?
Finally, make ABSOLUTELY sure you do manage to lay your hands on that spell she's using. Do not kill her until you have it. Keep her alive and imprisoned until you get that spell, using every means at your disposal to further ensure you get it. Charm spells, mind reading, regeneration to prevent her committing suicide. Once the DM lays off and gives you the spell, use it to death. Research versions of it for stone, water, and anything else you can. If he complains about how it allows you to make things too easy, remind him of these six hours fighting a stupid nymph. Giving his monsters broken spells is a mistake he's not going to make again. Oh, and if he claims the spell is too high a level for you, make sure he gives you XP for defeating a CR 18 creature (or whatever).
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In normal conditions, forests don't generally burn down that easily. Usually it takes prolonged hot and dry spells and typical Human mismanagement before forests become as easy to ignite as tinder.
too much logic in a game where people shoot fireballs out of their ass
I say when we try the GM will state that the forest is too wet and want burn. We sorta get use to the rules never working in our favor.
i have a dm like this, so i out play him.
if he says "the forest is to wet to burn" then send a chain lightning through a tree and say " the water would make my lightning bolt deal extra damage". then i would go further and say " the electricity separated the oxygen molecules from the hydrogen and created a perfect circumstance of a bomb for my fireball, that also deals extra damage".
then he will say something like " that's not in the rules" then say "nothing in the rules saying wet wood wouldn't burn from my fireball either".