Hammer the Gap Range Clarification

[clparis]

Okay in previous postings it is agreed that the Hammer the Gap feat can apply to range weapons with manyshot and rapid shot. Just so I have it straight for my next game. I have a lvl 7 gnome ranger, with manyshot, rapid shot, point black, and a +1 composite bow (+1 str)

Assuming a full attack and the dice gods are with me, they all hit, I would get the following:

Manyshot:
1 arrow 1d6 + 1(str) + 1 (+1 bow) + 1 (point blank)
2 arrow 1d6 + 1(str) + 1 (+1 bow) + 1 (point blank) + 1 (Hammer)
Rapid Shot:
1d6 + 1(str) + 1 (+1 bow) + 1 (point blank) + 2 (Hammer)
Second Attack:
1d6 + 1(str) + 1 (+1 bow) + 1 (point blank) + 3 (Hammer)

Meaning that if I roll all ones on my damage I would still do 22 point of damage against a non-favored enemy. Please tell me if I am wrong here, sometimes I miss read things.

[David Thomassen]

Ranger Manyshot Rapid Shot Point-blank Shot
It comes down to the Manyshot - is the Single dice roll for the two arrows counts as one or two hits. Given that Damage Reduction applies to both arrows, I would say yes they count as seperate hits.

Hammer the Gap

Damage 4d6+18 assuming all hit and a strength of at least 12 and within 30' of the target.

[clparis]

David Thomassen wrote:

Ranger Manyshot Rapid Shot Point-blank Shot

It comes down to the Manyshot - is the Single dice roll for the two arrows counts as one or two hits. Given that Damage Reduction applies to both arrows, I would say yes they count as seperate hits.

Hammer the Gap

Damage 4d6+18 assuming all hit and a strength of at least 12 and within 30' of the target.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[Callarek]

Unfortunately, since there is only one attack roll for the Manyshot attack, even though you do two arrows worth of damage, it is still only a single hit for the purposes of Hammer the Gap.

[Psisquared]

Callarek wrote:

Unfortunately, since there is only one attack roll for the Manyshot attack, even though you do two arrows worth of damage, it is still only a single hit for the purposes of Hammer the Gap.

Hammer the Gap: When you take a full-attack action, each consecutive hit against the same opponent deals extra damage equal to the number of previous consecutive hits you have made against that opponent this turn. This damage is multiplied on a critical hit.

Manyshot: When making a full-attack action with a bow, your first attack fires two arrows. If the attack hits, both arrows hit. Apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack) and critical hit damage only once for this attack. Damage bonuses from using a composite bow with a high Strength bonus apply to each arrow, as do other damage bonuses , such as a ranger's favored enemy bonus. Damage reduction and resistances apply separately to each arrow.

You could argue that it is one attack (the first attack), but it seems to me like hammer the gap provides a damage bonus (strength and other damage bonuses) and therefore applies to each arrow.

[inukai]

Quote:

Hammer the Gap

When you take a full-attack action, each consecutive hit against the same opponent deals extra damage equal to the number of previous consecutive hits you have made against that opponent this turn. This damage is multiplied on a critical hit.

Quote:

Manyshot

When making a full-attack action with a bow, your first attack fires two arrows. If the attack hits, both arrows hit. Apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack) and critical hit damage only once for this attack. Damage bonuses from using a composite bow with a high Strength bonus apply to each arrow, as do other damage bonuses, such as a ranger's favored enemy bonus. Damage reduction and resistances apply separately to each arrow.

Emphasis mine

I think the important thing to notice here is that the text says Hammer the Gap is based on the number of hits against the same opponent and Many specifically states that if the attack hits, both arrows hit making it 2 hits. If Hammer the Gap said each consecutive attack Manyshot wouldn't work because it's one attack that hits twice.

[vip00]

Not to necro AND derail a thread at the same time... but how do misses count with hammer the gap? So if I am a flurrying monk, and I have 5 attacks... say I hit with the first, third, and fifth. Do I get no bonuses from hammer the gap since that calls for CONSECUTIVE hits?

[Serisan]

You got it, vip00.

[Jadeite]

It's a beautiful feat for pistoleros dual wielding double barreled pistols (not that they would need it).

[Grizzly the Archer]

Also not half bad for the zen archer or sohei. As soon as they work those issues out.