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Hey, so I'm new to pathfinder society, and I have scoured the boards trying to find clarification on this, so I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere.
In regards to table 5-3 "Fame and item purchases" in the guide to organized play it says that "A character's Fame score determines the maximum gp value of any items she can purchase from her faction, as detailed in Table 5-3 below."
I read this to mean that if a person has enough fame for say a 31,000 gp item then they can purchase any legal item beyond what is listed on their chronicle sheets and what is on the "always available items" list.
However, when speaking with a GM recently I was told this was not the case, that it applied to the always available items and the items on the chronicle sheets, even though it specifically says a person may always buy those items.
I'm about to hit lvl 2 and have found no lvl 2 scrolls in my travels and am wanting to buy some, according to what the gm is saying I would not be able to, please help?
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Thanks Mark, you're a gentleman and a scholar!
Your GM was mistaken. Your interpretation is correct.
Also, this may provide a more clear, in depth explication.
Welcome to PFS!
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You guys are great, this clarifies everything. I really appreciate the help.
Thanks Mark, you're a gentleman and a scholar!
Your GM was mistaken. Your interpretation is correct.Also, this may provide a more clear, in depth explication.
Welcome to PFS!
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Most likely, they are just new and are taking stabs at rules they don't know about.
That was the main reason I wrote the post that I did. It's clear to use how the system works, we live in it. But given the number of questions of this very nature, even though 'it is printed right in the guide' it's obvious to me that it's missing the mark somehow.
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I keep wondering where these GMs with a very very loose grasp of the rules keep coming from.There's lots of people that have home games and don't read these boards. We're a really small proportion of the PFS community at large.
I think his point is that it is clear enough in the guide that they don't understand why there are people who are confused by it, even if they don't read the forums.
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Being someone who just started PFS a few weeks ago, I'd like to shed some light on why this situation needs a bit of disambiguation. There are two specific passages in the 4.0 guide to organized play that make it less than obvious when you are trying to figure this out for yourself.
The first one is on page 19 under Other Items.
"Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his prestige within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
The problem here is that the word prestige is used rather than fame, if you were to then go and look at the table for prestige you find that there is an option to get a free purchase of up to 150gp for 1 pp, or 750gp for 2 pp. This could lead you to believe that that is all this previous entry is referring to.
The second problem passage is on page 21 under Benefits of Fame.
"A character's Fame score determines the maximum gp value of any item she can purchase from her faction, as detailed in Table 5-2 below. The character must still actually spend the gold to receive the desired item."
The problem here is that it isn't defined what "buying from her faction" actually means, and nowhere else in the guide is this mentioned at all. If there was a paragraph or section somewhere that said something like "The only place to purchase items not attained on a chronicle sheet or on the 'buy anytime' list is to purchase them from your faction" then everything would be clear. This seems like a minor thing to those of you who have been playing for awhile, but to a new player or GM who have been running standard pathfinder or 3.5 games this is a whole new concept.
You might say that the only sensible conclusion to come to is that table 5-3 refers to items not covered by chronicle sheets or in the buy anytime list, and I would agree with you, but having a hazy area in the rules that invites people to draw their own conclusions inevitably leads to confusion like this.
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Something that's been bugging me.....
A character’s Fame represents her renown and status within her faction. For every 10 points of Fame, a character gains a cumulative +1 bonus on Diplomacy checks made against members of her faction. A character’s Fame might also afford her certain titles and incidental privileges and also allows her to purchase from her faction between scenarios. A character’s Fame score determines the maximum gp value of any items she can purchase from her faction, as detailed in Table 5-2 below. The character must still actually spend the gold to receive the desired item.
Table 5–3: fame and iTem PurChaSeS
fame Score Maximum item Cost
4 ... or less 500 gp
9 ... 1,500 gp
13 ... 3,000 gp
18 ... 5,250 gp
22 ... 8,000 gp
27 ... 11,750 gp
31 ... 16,500 gp
36 ... 23,000 gp
2) Is there a formula behind this which permit finer graduations? I.e., if I had 14 Fame, could I buy a 3,015 adamantine scimitar, or must I wait all the way until Fame 18 to accommodate the measly additional 15gp which I am "over" at Fame 13?
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27 fame for a +2 weapon is excruciating and out of proportion to, say, a Scabbard of Vigor at a mere 1,800gp granting ten rounds of +2 to anything you stick in it.
-- The delay especially hoses DEX fighters needing Agile weaponry to have any hope of contributing in melee.
So don't play a dex fighter! (or make sure (s)he has other ways to deal more damage like sneak attack) or apply GM credit till you reach 27 fame.
Still think it's funny that dex fighters 'get hosed' cause there's a new weapon enhancement that improves their abilities.
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27 fame for a +2 weapon is excruciating and out of proportion to, say, a Scabbard of Vigor at a mere 1,800gp granting ten rounds of +2 to anything you stick in it.
-- The delay especially hoses DEX fighters needing Agile weaponry to have any hope of contributing in melee.
If things are out of proportion, that would be related to their relative GP values in the CRB.
And unfortunately, no matter where the line is drawn, somebody is going to "just miss out" on the item they need for the build they want to play.
In the meantime, the quickest way to get a +2 equivalent weapon is through a Chronicle.
Also: I believe a Scabbard of Vigour is only good for 5 rounds at +2.
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Since 30 Fame isn't on the chart you must use the 27 Fame limit of 11,750gp.
A +1 Holy (+3) Greatsword has a value of 18,350gp which is over cap allowed by your Fame.
In order to make this purchase you would need to find a +1 holy greatsword on a chronicle sheet, or wait until your Fame reaches 36, where your gp limit reaches 23,000gp.
If your weapon was made of a special material you would need to add that cost onto the weapon before determining if it is under your Fame cap.