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Is there a subconscious bias against selecting certain players?


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Sorry for the rant, but I need to rant this.

I applied to 8 games that had limited slots over 3 weeks and get 0 bites, I only got in one with limited slots because a player left the game unannounced one week later. And I am grateful for the DM giving me that chance to play.

I am willing to bet there are others like me that want to play but can't because of not being accepted into any games.

But I mean, is their a subconscious bias or something against certain players. I say, let those who have very few character aliases have a freaking chance. By giving them a little more thought in your player selection decisions or opening/reserving a slot for those with few character aliases. And when I say few character aliases, I am also including PFS alias characters in the alias list.

Because there is most likely a good number of players out there that want to play, but always get left out. Unless by chance an opening opens up and are notified of it. They are stuck without a game and will in some way feel either disappointed, shunned, or cast as an outsider in the worst case.

I would appreciate it, if ALL DM's took this under advisement.
Now I do realize that some players that have few alias will be jerks and are going to use this as a free pass, because they drop out unannounced a week later or just to grief a game in some way. So I would then recommend that a thread be made that reports on players who leave unannounced, have very bad behavior in the game or are griefing the game a lot.

I look forward to hearing from DMs on this proposal, both good and bad as both sides of the coin need to be present to understand the good and the bad of this proposal.


When I GM, I either use first-come-first-served or a random draw to pick players. I think those are the fairest methods, personally.


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hogarth wrote:
When I GM, I either use first-come-first-served or a random draw to pick players. I think those are the fairest methods, personally.

Those sound, like reasonable methods for character selection and have little to no bias in them


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I assume you are talking about Play-by-Posts here on the boards. I can say the two times I've tried jumping into an online game I've gotten in. Neither game ended up lasting very long. In my experience there is a recruitment thread and players are selected on a first post first selected sort of basis.

Most of the time if you want to join an existing game you need to keep track of all of their threads (IC, OOC, recruiting, etc) and be ready to reply when they announce an opening.

All I can say is keeping looking and I'm sure you will find a game to suit your needs sooner than later.


Is this for PFS, PBP, or some other venue?


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deinol wrote:

I assume you are talking about Play-by-Posts here on the boards. I can say the two times I've tried jumping into an online game I've gotten in. Neither game ended up lasting very long. In my experience there is a recruitment thread and players are selected on a first post first selected sort of basis.

Most of the time if you want to join an existing game you need to keep track of all of their threads (IC, OOC, recruiting, etc) and be ready to reply when they announce an opening.

All I can say is keeping looking and I'm sure you will find a game to suit your needs sooner than later.

Almost all of the ones I applied to in the recruit threads had DM select the players, one was by vote.


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DM Barcas wrote:
Is this for PFS, PBP, or some other venue?

PBP is the one I'm ranting on


Having said that, I am biased against some particular players. E.g. people who have a long history of dropping out of games, or people who have a history of not being "team players".


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hogarth wrote:
Having said that, I am biased against some particular players. E.g. people who have a long history of dropping out of games, or people who have a history of not being "team players".

I can agree with that,

that is why I included the provision of a "Warning this player is a jerk thread" to warn DMs of players that jerk around with DMs and wreck games.


I've run a few recruitment threads. I select players based on three main points of criteria: backstory, writing style, posting history. (The lack of a posting history is not a disqualifer.) I give each a score, tally up the applicants, and pick the group from the top few submissions with an eye for party interaction/dynamics, diversity, and class balance. So far, this process has really worked out well.

Not having aliases is not an issue, but aliases are the primary way that I gauge writing style and posting frequency/history. If someone doesn't have one for me to review, I ask them to produce a writing sample.


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DM Barcas wrote:


Not having aliases is not an issue, but aliases are the primary way that I gauge writing style and posting frequency/history. If someone doesn't have one for me to review, I ask them to produce a writing sample.

Good point, I did not think of that.


You do realize that the tone you have used is now stored here and could be used in making judgments about whether or not you will be accepted into a PbP?

/cutting off ones nose to spite and all of that


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If they judge me, they judge me.
If they read it and get my point, they get my point.

And yes, I generally suck at tones so I may have shot off a part of my own foot.

(not being rude here) Checking your profile, you have not played as GM or player in PBP, so you may not be looking at the post with the same lens or Point Of View as me. Those that have been a PBP GM and or a PBP player would understand this post more.


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Azure_Zero wrote:

If they judge me, they judge me.

If they read it and get my point, they get my point.

And yes, I generally suck at tones so I may have shot off a part of my own foot.

(not being rude here) Checking your profile, you have not played as GM or player in PBP, so you may not be looking at the post with the same lens or Point Of View as me. Those that have been a PBP GM and or a PBP player would understand this post more.

So instead of posting in those sections of the forums, where the issue could be handled "in-house" you opted to make this post in the much more broadly trafficked Gamer Life forum. So, in one interpretation of events, you basically tried to shame folks in a more broad and public venue and expected no one to disagree or point out poor construction of your argument.

Just because I don't PbP on these venues you have no idea what my experience is. In one interpretation of events, you are in essence trying to attack my credibility in order to not address the issue. Saying STFU noob does not make your case any better or more compelling to refute that your approach my be hurting your case. PbP vet or not a persuasive argument generally uses certain techniques to achieve its goals. Techniques I do not see so far in your posts.

Perhaps, my opinion from where I sit observing, the reason you are not getting in has much more to do with you that you may be willing to admit.

Edit: Additionally if there are that many folks not in a game but wanting one perhaps you should consider starting one to provide another venue?


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The reason it's in the gamer forum was an accident, I clicked the wrong forum section when I was making the thread, which I admit is my mistake in that I did not double check where I was posting in the forums.

You may be right in that it is Me, that is the reason I do not get in. For we are blind to ourselves.

and your right in that I am likely using the wrong methods and verbal techniques as I don't get to talk or interact with people much and learn the proper methods and verbal techniques.

Yes, the first post was the most childish post, I have done.
You have no idea the loneliness, I have faced, the seeking of acceptance from others of who I am.


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I'd say that there is a conscious bias against selecting certain players and an equally conscious bias for selecting certain players.

Imagine you're a GM wanting to run an immersive game, working with your PC's backgrounds and connections to make them an integral part of your world. Are you going to pick a newbie and hope they stick around? Or are you going to pick someone you know to have been a reliable PbP player for months or years?

*shrug* I'm not saying it's fair, but it's absolutely rational. I've seen veteran GMs give a chance to a guy with 17 total posts on the boards who has a terrific backstory and tons of enthusiasm, only to have him completely disappear and never come back 2 weeks later. After that's happened a few times, they're far more likely to have a discussion with their remaining players in the OOC thread that goes something like this -- "Anyone know a reliable veteran player who might want to be a replacement?" -- than do another open recruitment.

Honestly, getting in your first game is mostly a matter of luck. Once you're in, you have to make the most of your opportunity. Post every day. Even if your character isn't directly involved in whatever's going on, write a line or two as a reaction shot or thought bubble. Even if the game goes under, there's three to six other players who now know you to be fun to play with and are likely to give you a recommendation or pick you up if they decide to run a game themselves. Become the guy they're biased in favor of.

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Bah, try us. A lot of us (e.g. myself) have been ostracized for long stretches. I'm quite familiar with the loneliness. Believe me when I say keep trying, always look for ways to interact, keep track of how to keep lines of communication open, and the ostracization will end, eventually.

In any case, if you'd like advice, the first thing to do is look at the posts other people write in game. For example, let's look at one game you're in: the World's Largest Dungeon. Notice that you're the only person who sets the actions and thoughts of your PC apart by using brackets. The immersion in the world is much greater if you let the prose flow, like everyone else has.

One characteristic most GMs look for when choosing players for a game is how well the group will mesh together. Make sure you play well with others. Your PC doesn't necessarily have to like all the other PCs, but getting involved in the conversation in the development of the PCs shows an interest and commitment to a fun time. We all like fun.


I would recommend starting your own game and pointing to it as your gaming style. That is how I got involved.

It may be your writing style. I prefer a narrative, immersive writing style in my games and pick them accordingly. Not all GMs like the novel-type writing, though. Know your GM and write to their preferred styles.


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@Joana I can see that as being the case where the bias is useful,

@the rest

After my first attempt at PBP, I decided to DM a game open only to novices and so far only one has dropped out and remainder have kept playing with fine roleplaying and do post at least once a day and it has been more than two weeks.

So this is why I ask GMs to give the novices a chance and put the ones known to cause problems in a thread contain a list of players who don't show up or grief the game.


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I'm pretty sure that trying to maintain a list of 'jerk players' or 'jerk GMs' would go against Paizo's policy against posts that attack or single-out other members of the community. IMO, that's probably for the best.

Given the multitude of play styles, preferences, and egos, there is really no way such a thing would be an objective resource. One GM's opinion that a player is inattentive might just be a case of them being in different timezones or having differing expectations of posting frequency. Likewise, having an RP-heavy GM with a hack-n'-slash player would probably yield scathing opinions from both parties when it's merely a case of a mismatch. There would be no service done in such instances, instead both GMs and players end up getting bad-mouthed to no good end.

At any rate, I still maintain that setting up an informal 'RP Tavern' with no clear-cut GM and lots of homeless players is an ideal way to get the ball rolling. Just let a group form organically based upon who enjoys interacting with who, and who has the drive and skill to GM for the other friends they've made. That's how I got my start playing/GMing PbPs. There never was an open recruitment for my game, likewise, when I've lost players, I've reached out to people who impressed me rather than doing an open call.

If there are no RP taverns going on right now and you don't want to start one, then I'd suggest making an enthusiastic post in Gamer Connection rather than one that is full of angst. I'd mention the style of play that you prefer, the general times when you are available, and if there are any party roles that interest you in particular.


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@InVinoVeritas
How would you rate the player interaction of alias "Tina Azura Valerius"

@DM Barcas
Then what are your opinions on my Hollows Last Hope?


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@InVinoVeritas
you raised the conformance issue in posting style, and you could be right in that is a factor in player selection.

@Laithoron
I have never heard of an RP tavern, and yes I admit this thread's first post is childish of me.


There was a tavern thread a while back. A few players that I couldn't pick for my Kingmaker campaign were in it. They eventually found homes for their PCs. (Meowzebub, for instance, later got spots in two of my games, in part because of that initiative.)

I prefer a flowing, narrative style with good eye for detail. I do not like the use of brackets or screenplay-style dialogue writing. If it would look wrong on the pages of a novel, it isn't my style. (Other things, like bolding dialogue, are a matter of preference.)


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@DM Barcas
Thanks for the feedback. It'll help me later, when I start the next module. The brackets and screenplay dialog are remnants from some of my previous classes; programming and mostly film studies. I'll remove the brackets first and see if I can get into a more novel method of DMing, like most of the GMs I have encountered, if not I'll try to get it closer to it.
Though I kinda like the screen-play dialog, it's a little easier to manage.


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Azure: For an example of the RP Tavern I ended up joining about a year and a half ago, check the Limbo PbP. I'm pretty sure it's dead now, but it should give you an idea of what the concept was and how to set one up — or at least to understand what on Earth I'm talking about. ;)

As far as style goes, that's generally a matter of preference per group. I maintain an article on my wiki regarding the pbp conventions my group uses, and there is usually a 'break-in' period where new players get used to things.

That said, if I was looking over a player's 'references' (i.e. other games they've been in), and noticed that their style was not only different from everyone else's but also clashed, that would be a pretty big red flag to me.

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Azure_Zero wrote:

@InVinoVeritas

How would you rate the player interaction of alias "Tina Azura Valerius"

You do a good job being included in the action, and have a lot of interaction. That's great.

The use of brackets is still jarring and gets in the way. Outside of Tina, you jumped in to critique another PC when it wasn't warranted, presented an initial character that didn't meet the GM's specifications, and then presented a character with items that the GM needed clarification for. Although these wouldn't necessarily be things by themselves that would cause me as a DM to drop you as a player, they also are characteristics that might convince me that I'd be better off not choosing you as a player.

However, I don't have any problem with the roleplaying by itself. You're a good contributor. Drop the brackets and play nice in the player-to-player interactions (and the player-to-GM interactions), and you'll have a bunch of games to choose from. I'd enter the thread without preconceptions of what character you want to play; start with the GM's campaign, and design the PC to fit that. Speak with the other players and develop natural connections with them. The whole development of the Ghawn family took a seed of an idea and made it something that lots of people joined quickly. It was a new in-group forming, one that was open to other character ideas (yes, it's a half-orc family, but it has halflings in it too) and it was easy to join.

You've had some bad luck in finding games, but I think with a few little tweaks, you'll be in the games with the rest of them. Keep it up, you'll be in.


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Thanks Laithoron.
I now get the gist of the RP Tavern and recall seeing that one a few times, but never entering it.
Your PBP conventions our not bad, it's organised and well done, but I like grouping common things together and putting a spoiler around it, ie the skills, the Combat (AC, Attacks, Saves), the features (class features, feats, traits, race traits), equipment, description and back story all get their own spoiler wrappers and internal sub headings.

and by style I presume your referring to play style and not typing style.

@InVinoVeritas
I'll try to get away from the screen-play style, by dropping the brackets and start bolding words.
The weapon was in the UC which he did say was open (-guns), but oddly the cestus were in the UC as well and I guess Hero lab had a hole in it's database.

And you do make some other good points that I could not see, as I said in a previous post here "For we are blind to ourselves."


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Happy to clarify the 'RP Tavern' thing, Azure. :)

As for conventions, I just realized that ours were badly in need of updating! I just spent the last hour doing so (funny how things evolve over the course of a year). I'm actually glad that I was given a reason to look them over since I have two old friends who will be joining Rumble in the Jungle within the next month. It would have been a bit embarrassing if THAT doc was outdated! ^_^;

As for character sheet/profiles, that's mostly an issue of ease of reference for the GM. If everyone's sheets are laid out the same way, it makes it much faster for me to quick-reference each player's stats. Having skills, feats, and combat info spoilered just means I have to spend longer scanning and clicking on the page to recognize the section I'm looking for.

In case you are interested...:

I actually keep the template used for our character sheets available for download from the Tools category of my wiki.

Here's what it looks like: [ BBCode | Example Character ]

I keep adding additional 'pre-fills' for things like feats, traits, and classes, and am currently considering making a category just to contain Prelinkified™ race and class sections, but we'll see.

Azure_Zero wrote:
by style I presume your referring to play style and not typing style.

As far as style, both of those are important to me actually. However, I'd consider typing style to be more relevant in the context of conventions, whereas play style is more relevant to player/GM expectations. For my group, expectations are a whole separate list. Yes, if something is on that list, it's because it came up at some point. ;)


Azure Zero:
I'm probably going to need a replacement player for my Curse of the Crimson Throne AP, we're prepping for the last scene now, probably could use a trap monkey, our current rogue had to drop due to her thesis. I'm double checking with her husband (the paladin of the group) that she's not going to be coming back any time soon. Due to the pseudodragon being a rogue capable of trapmonkeying.

We have
Human Paladin (Iomedae)4
Dwarf Cleric (Cayden) 4
Human Fighter (Phalanx) 4
DMPC: Human Inquisitor (Iomedae) 4
NPC: Pseudodragon Rogue 1


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@ Laithoron
WOW, not the game, that is one heck of a sweet sheet layout. I can read why you'd want the character sheets standardised and that is quick referencing.

As you can see from Tina above, I also have the sheet organised to a good degree, but not at that level.

@Xaaon of Korvosa
I have a skill monkey in my alias list whom is currently inactive.
She is a Trapfinding, Smooth talking, stealthy, Half-elf Ninja level 1.
I Know I would need to reconfigure her to meet your campaign standards, or do you want me to compile a whole new rogue, if ninjas don't exist.


When I was making selections for my game, I went with a couple people I knew would be good, and a few that I didn't necessarily know. That way, new people got a chance to prove themselves, but I knew I had a reliable core to work with and sustain the game with. There are enough new players here again, I could revive Boomer's Bar and Grill to help give them some exposure if there is interest. It's basically a traveling tent diner for generic rping.


Barrok's Tower has room for more players


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sunshadow21 wrote:
When I was making selections for my game, I went with a couple people I knew would be good, and a few that I didn't necessarily know. That way, new people got a chance to prove themselves, but I knew I had a reliable core to work with and sustain the game with. There are enough new players here again, I could revive Boomer's Bar and Grill to help give them some exposure if there is interest. It's basically a traveling tent diner for generic rping.

I think that would be nice, as 3 out of 4 of my novice players are still doing well. One dropped out unannounced, but got a replacement, the DM who gave me notice of an opening in a Falcon's Hollow PBP.

This could also let DM's re-evaluate some of the players, as some players may have changed their play style over time, and expand the player networks.


Laithoron wrote:


As for character sheet/profiles, that's mostly an issue of ease of reference for the GM. If everyone's sheets are laid out the same way, it makes it much faster for me to quick-reference each player's stats. Having skills, feats, and combat info spoilered just means I have to spend longer scanning and clicking on the page to recognize the section I'm looking for.

As a PBP Junkie I approve of these sheets...

Amazing.

Think I'm going to update all my chracters on those.


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Wow, I'm glad you guys like them so much. That totally made my day! ^_^

Azure_Zero wrote:
As you can see from Tina above, I also have the sheet organised to a good degree, but not at that level.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to find what you're looking for the way you've got it broken down on Tina's sheet. I like the fact that you've included what ability scores you increased during play. I think I'm going to borrow that myself actually. :)

FWIW, I discovered that if you leave all of the default fields blank and only use the large "About" box then you can avoid the odd text-wrapping behavior that occurs when the character profile is longer than the Full Name —> Charisma fields.

/threadjack :)


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Thanks,
When I make my characters I like to plan ahead in case the game goes into the high levels, though some are more filled in then others. Because I want some flexibility later.

For a Jade Regent I applied to, I included an NPC relations area for that character so I could remember how she was related to and what she though of them.

Andoran

Laithoron, just curious -

How long, on average, does it take to fill out a sheet like that? I'd think it would take about an Age of Man.


Azure_Zero wrote:

@ Laithoron

WOW, not the game, that is one heck of a sweet sheet layout. I can read why you'd want the character sheets standardised and that is quick referencing.

As you can see from Tina above, I also have the sheet organised to a good degree, but not at that level.

@Xaaon of Korvosa
I have a skill monkey in my alias list whom is currently inactive.
She is a Trapfinding, Smooth talking, stealthy, Half-elf Ninja level 1.
I Know I would need to reconfigure her to meet your campaign standards, or do you want me to compile a whole new rogue, if ninjas don't exist.

Perhaps you were Trinia Sabor? Incognito...?

Spoiler:
Trinia is the one who was accused of killing the king, what alignment? If she's good, she could actually become the new Blackjack. AKA Korvosa's "Zorro"

This Thread


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Jeremiziah wrote:

Laithoron, just curious -

How long, on average, does it take to fill out a sheet like that? I'd think it would take about an Age of Man.

Honestly making all the formatting from scratch is the time-consuming part. That's why I've tried my best to save the basic layout as a template. Actually transferring stats I've worked out on paper or in Excel to the template doesn't take me very long.

Caveat: If you decide to hyperlink to each and every rule/item like I do, then yeah, that could take a while. However, that could be said of any layout. That's part of the reason why I've tried to setup some of the class/race blocks so that you can delete all but the lines that are actually applicable to your class/race. It's much easier to delete what you don't need rather than having to go and look it up anew.

Tip: BTW, if you are wondering how I indented some lines (since browsers strip-out white space), you simply use a non-breaking space. In Windows, you can add one by holding Alt and typing 0160 on the Numpad.

   Like so.

As a rule-of-thumb, most letters/numbers in the font used on the character profiles is equal to 2 such spaces.


-This does not seem like the best way to go about getting into/or finding a Pbp game. But I think other's have beaten me to it.


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HarbinNick wrote:
-This does not seem like the best way to go about getting into/or finding a Pbp game. But I think other's have beaten me to it.

Yes you were beaten to it by DragonSong,

He ripped me a new one,
and it helped me see the childness of the opening post.


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Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
Azure_Zero wrote:

@ Laithoron

WOW, not the game, that is one heck of a sweet sheet layout. I can read why you'd want the character sheets standardised and that is quick referencing.

As you can see from Tina above, I also have the sheet organised to a good degree, but not at that level.

@Xaaon of Korvosa
I have a skill monkey in my alias list whom is currently inactive.
She is a Trapfinding, Smooth talking, stealthy, Half-elf Ninja level 1.
I Know I would need to reconfigure her to meet your campaign standards, or do you want me to compile a whole new rogue, if ninjas don't exist.

Perhaps you were Trinia Sabor? Incognito...?

** spoiler omitted **

Do you have an OOC thread so this can be more planned out, And I always for characters pick good on the evil-good axis, I even use the BOED to help remind me of what is good.


Azure_Zero wrote:
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:
Azure_Zero wrote:

@ Laithoron

WOW, not the game, that is one heck of a sweet sheet layout. I can read why you'd want the character sheets standardised and that is quick referencing.

As you can see from Tina above, I also have the sheet organised to a good degree, but not at that level.

@Xaaon of Korvosa
I have a skill monkey in my alias list whom is currently inactive.
She is a Trapfinding, Smooth talking, stealthy, Half-elf Ninja level 1.
I Know I would need to reconfigure her to meet your campaign standards, or do you want me to compile a whole new rogue, if ninjas don't exist.

Perhaps you were Trinia Sabor? Incognito...?

** spoiler omitted **

Do you have an OOC thread so this can be more planned out, And I always for characters pick good on the evil-good axis, I even use the BOED to help remind me of what is good.

I don't at the moment, I'll look through the archives to find the old one.


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Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:


I don't at the moment, I'll look through the archives to find the old one.

Thanks,

As I would prefer making sure any character I use conforms to GM character standards when it get into play. And we can discussion things I need to know for the game and if any character ideas or thoughts are usable.


Azure_Zero wrote:
Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:


I don't at the moment, I'll look through the archives to find the old one.

Thanks,

As I would prefer making sure any character I use conforms to GM character standards when it get into play. And we can discussion things I need to know for the game and if any character ideas or thoughts are usable.

New discussion thread

Last time I recruited I think I did all the Discussion stuff in the recruiting thread.

Osirion

Azure_Zero wrote:
After my first attempt at PBP, I decided to DM a game open only to novices and so far only one has dropped out and remainder have kept playing with fine roleplaying and do post at least once a day and it has been more than two weeks.

I've seen that recruitment thread 'novices only,' and that's a pretty cool way of working with that. By establishing yourself as a GM, you also are building a base of other potential GMs (your current players) who would be inclined to offer you a first choice slot if they decide to step up and run a PBP later.

Other thoughts;

There are several overlapping quasi-incestuous 'in-crowds' of people who are in multiple games together, who have grown comfortable gaming together, and I'm in one of them, but not in a couple others. I still haven't made it into a Jade Regent game, for instance, so, even if I've 'broken the glass ceiling' or 'joined the good old boy's network' among a certain group, that gets me shiny bupkiss on other fronts.

AFAIK, there's only one player who is on any general 'no-fly lists,' and has had a thread or two devoted to why, and it ain't you.

I try to check my posts once a week or so, and see if my 'signal to noise' ratio has gotten too 'noisy' and not enough 'signal-y.'

Helpful or useful posts on one part of the messageboard can carry over to other parts, as can trollish or obnoxious behavior, and you can build up your reputation, and make 'online friends' by offering helpful advice or rules advice or creative advice to people, instead of posting 'shut-down' posts that shout no to anyone asking for tips on how to make something that might appear unconventional. On a cold calculating level, it could be seen as 'grinding board faction,' but, really, it's just that I don't like looking back at previous posts I've made and cringing at what a jerk I was. :) It gets me all cognitive dissonance-y when I look back at something preserved for all time on the interwebs and my perception of myself as 'only a little bit evil' takes a hit, so I try to be open-minded and offer constructive advice and more options (and not crap all over other people's ideas, as some do), as much as possible.

Functioning in a party requires a cooperative, constructive and even conciliatory presence. How you post outside of the PBP threads may help people decide whether or not you will add to the team-play aspect of a party, or only bring drama and conflict with you.

Maybe 'grinding some board faction' will lead potential GMs to seeking you out, when they are considering starting up a PBP.

Andoran

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Azure_Zero wrote:
Is there a subconscious bias against selecting certain players?

How could I tell if it's part of my subconscious? ;)


Perhaps you are unconsciously aware of your subconscious biases? :p


As Middle Age has approached, overtaken, and consumed me, some of the things that applied earlier, e.g., having to beat off potential players with a stick, have left forever.

Back in the day though ... there were several issues that might not make a player suitable for a particular group. Terrible hygene was always a no-no in my groups. If folks could smell you and your last several meals at 50 paces then you were not going to fit well with the group. Highly antagonistic folks were not usually welcomed at the gaming table. Players whose style did not fit the genre were bad fits.

Etc.

In service,

Rich

Zhalindor.com


The biggest thing that I look for when recruiting for PbP games is posting history.
You would not believe the percentage of players that post 15 times in 2 days just to get into a PbP only to revert to "Hey Guys, gonna be gone again this weekend, lols, hotel won't have internet, blah blah" and post 3 times every week for the remainder of the PbP.

I specifically search for this and if I see even a HINT of it, you will not be getting into my PbPs.

Rudeness is a big pet peeve. Sadly, some of the best PbPers fall prey to this. I've seen some pretty uncalled for remarks made right in the IC threads against other players by players I thought seemed decent and good roleplayers.

Sometimes, I just hate your character concept. I REALLY don't like to tell a player that I think his half-orc, vow of poverty, LG monk isn't what I want in the AP because its just as much about his enjoyment as mine, and I don't want to discourage his creativity just because it sets my teeth on edge. Truth be told, I just plain hate half-orcs and generally make it known when I start a PbP that if you make one, don't expect to get in.

Lastly, if you're in the same PbP that I'm looking to fill, you just plain won't be accepted. You're already in one. The End. Let someone else have a chance. If you're RUNNING it on the other hand, you have just as good a chance as anyone else.

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