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During an enjoyable re-read of Rule of Fear and I noticed that in the chapter on haunted areas that Bastardhall was given a great deal of detail. Is there a module or something I'm missing?


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Bastardhall is Wes Schneider's pet castle/dungeon. He runs it at PaizoCon each year -- I had the pleasure of crossing the bridge with a bunch of other players in June.
It's a bit big to see publication in the current module format.
But I'm sure he can add some comments himself.


Bumping this thread for a response. I've fallen in love with Bastardhall and would love to see how he does it, especially Caydserris.


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OmegaZ wrote:
Bumping this thread for a response. I've fallen in love with Bastardhall and would love to see how he does it, especially Caydserris.

I agree. Would love to see a Bastardhall module.


Another bump to try and tease Schneider out of hiding? Pretty please?

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In my Kingmaker campaign I introduced an NPC with a link to Bastardhall in his backstory. Of course I killed him off looooong before any of the players got to learn his backstory, but it was a fun backstory all the same.

:p


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Hear hear. More Bastardhall please! Wouldn't mind a side of Saffron house at some point too!


Okay, you got me. I'm curious.

Somebody get Schneider out here.


*Casts Summon Managing Editor*


Jam412 wrote:
*Casts Summon Managing Editor*

I think your spell failed.


Damn, should've cast defensively.

Cheliax

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Perhaps if we form a circle and cast the spell together?


*Casts lesser thread ressurection*

Where's the blood sacrifice? That's where you guys failed!


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Wouldn't mind a side of Saffron house at some point too!

In Rule of Fear, there is a map for the Saffron House, and in the small text description of the House, appearing earlier in the same book, there is a list of creatures that likely inhabit the House.

It wouldn't be too terribly difficult to select from that list and place them in the rooms of the mapped out house. Of course, it's not the same as a well and truly published module dungeon, but I imagine it could serve your purposes well enough.

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Oh. Hi!

Yeah, like Jeff said upstream, Bastardhall is my most pet pet dungeon and an event I run at Paizocon every year. In fact, I noticed this thread searching for my even description from last year - heh, sorry for the long response time.

But yeah, if readers are looking for Golarion's Castle Ravenloft they've got a few options: there's Castle Scarwall from Pathfinder #11, Bastardhall (which I add a new section to yearly), and Castle Corvischoir (which doesn't have too much about it yet).

But yeah, that's kind of the story with that place. As for a module... oofda, we don't currently make modules that big. But that's not to say we never will. So who knows...

I promise to watch this thread more closely now that I know it's hear. Sorry I've been failing Perception checks for the past... umm... year?


Yeah, when I read about Bastardhall, I nearly squeed in a most undignified manner. It's going to be awhile before I get to attend Paizocon, but if I ever get there, how would one secure a spot in this most epic of haunts?

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The Dread Pirate Hurley wrote:
Yeah, when I read about Bastardhall, I nearly squeed in a most undignified manner. It's going to be awhile before I get to attend Paizocon, but if I ever get there, how would one secure a spot in this most epic of haunts?

It's on the line up every year, so sign up and you've got a chance to get a spot. If you don't make it the first year, I promise you'll get a chance next year. You've seen the map of the place in Rule of Fear: there's plenty of dungeon to cover.


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


As for a module... oofda, we don't currently make modules that big.

[cough]Boxed Set![/cough]


I asked about Bastardhall in another thread months ago too. Would love to see more Bastardhall published content.

You could do what was done with Undermountain at one point and release sections of the "dungeon" as modules in themselves? They could be for different level ranges so they could be strung together for a bigger Bastardhall experience. That's an idea for seeing more Bastardhall in print anyway.

Or, you could maybe do something more with Bastardhall in 2013 since that coincides with 4713 AR, the next time Bastardhall is actually scheduled to appear in Golarion. (Bastardhall could be a site for the first Pathfinder mega-dungeon AP, perhaps? And horror-themed too!)

Ah, I can dream, anyway.

Silver Crusade

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Castle Corvischoir

Okay, I want to see this place on strength of the name alone.

I'm reading Rule of Fear as soon as we're through Carrion Crown. Been burning to look through that book.


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Wolf Munroe wrote:
Or, you could maybe do something more with Bastardhall in 2013 since that coincides with 4713 AR, the next time Bastardhall is actually scheduled to appear in Golarion. (Bastardhall could be a site for the first Pathfinder mega-dungeon AP, perhaps? And horror-themed too!)

I would actually subscribe a second time for that. Have one copy to use for games, the other to sit perfectly mint on the shelf. Running Carrion Crown right now and having a blast with it. I love the way Paizo does horror, and everyone's been digging the different genre per issue feel. More of that would be welcome.

Though we did just start Council of Thieves, as well, and it's already making me want another urban themed AP...

Cheliax

Doug OBrien wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


As for a module... oofda, we don't currently make modules that big.
[cough]Boxed Set![/cough]

All kinds of sexy!

And while Vic or James may have mentioned that a boxed set may be cost prohibitive - we can still dream.

Also while I doubt they would include a Harrow deck in a box set because they already have that in their product catalog, it would be great to add a few unique/alternate cards like The Prince of Wolves, the fabled 55th Harrow card.


Wolf Munroe wrote:

I asked about Bastardhall in another thread months ago too. Would love to see more Bastardhall published content.

You could do what was done with Undermountain at one point and release sections of the "dungeon" as modules in themselves? They could be for different level ranges so they could be strung together for a bigger Bastardhall experience. That's an idea for seeing more Bastardhall in print anyway.

Or, you could maybe do something more with Bastardhall in 2013 since that coincides with 4713 AR, the next time Bastardhall is actually scheduled to appear in Golarion. (Bastardhall could be a site for the first Pathfinder mega-dungeon AP, perhaps? And horror-themed too!)

Ah, I can dream, anyway.

I would so buy this, anything related to horror in Pathfinder is pretty much a casting of siphon wallet.

The Boxed set idea mentioned up thread would be schweet, too. More, I must have it, more more more . . . mua ha ha ha.

OK, I'm better now.

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Leo_Negri wrote:
I would so buy this, anything related to horror in Pathfinder is pretty much a casting of siphon wallet.

Yeah, the number of posts on the Carrion Crown message boards alone really tells us folks dig horror. Which is good, because we did horror and were going to do it anyway. ;)

There will definitely be more to come, no worries there.

Cheliax

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So outside of attending Paizocon is there any other way to gather information on the dreaded Bastardhall? I already own Rule of Fear.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Gruumash . wrote:
So outside of attending Paizocon is there any other way to gather information on the dreaded Bastardhall? I already own Rule of Fear.

You could always come to Paizo and sneak into the building and sit down on Wes's couch and start asking him questions in person, I suppose. Wes likes visitors!

Cheliax

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Excellent, I will tell them you sent me then? ;) It's okay I will just print out this page when security trys to cart me away. he he


James Jacobs wrote:
Gruumash . wrote:
So outside of attending Paizocon is there any other way to gather information on the dreaded Bastardhall? I already own Rule of Fear.
You could always come to Paizo and sneak into the building and sit down on Wes's couch and start asking him questions in person, I suppose. Wes likes visitors!

That's a great idea and all, but given that I'd have to get my butt up to Seattle in either case, I might as well go for the Con and do both. Since we're discussing things regarding Rule of Fear, I have to ask: why does Seelah look like a transvestite on the cover? Honestly, most of the art depicts her as being more than a little...mannish.

Cheliax

James Jacobs wrote:
You could always come to Paizo and sneak into the building and sit down on Wes's couch and start asking him questions in person, I suppose. Wes likes visitors!

I am going to save this post so that my defense attorney can submit it as evidence before the court.

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Gruumash . wrote:
So outside of attending Paizocon is there any other way to gather information on the dreaded Bastardhall? I already own Rule of Fear.

Aside from a few hints in Carrion Crown (with varying degrees of subtlety), not really. We've got a big, big world with tons of cool places and currently a lot of details only live in various designers' heads. What I can promise, though, is that there will be more and that as it comes, we'll do our damndest to make sure it was worth the wait.

Also. Anyone who shows up vying for a spot on my couch will likely have to kick James or Sutter off of it. As the only office with a couch in it, mine is kind of the defacto downstairs meeting room, Jacobsian psychiatry lounge, and Sutter sprawling place (he was raised by wild ferrets and still hasn't acclimated to people furniture). If you don't mind sharing, feel free to snuggle right on in.

I'll be sitting at my desk.

In my chair built for one.

With my back turned.

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It's amusing to me that Wes apparently spends his hard-earned vacation days the same way I do.

Posting on the Paizo boards.

HUZZAH.

Cheliax

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As a suggestion why not do Bastardhall as a Campaign setting book (Same idea as Dungeons of golarion only focusing on one place.)

Silver Crusade

where does paziocon take place, do you guys move it yearly? either way I'll be trying to attend the event should i ever make the money needed.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
As a suggestion why not do Bastardhall as a Campaign setting book (Same idea as Dungeons of golarion only focusing on one place.)

If we were going to go that far, I'd think "Why not just make it an adventure?" It'd be like getting a 64 page book on the Tome of Horrors, but not what you actually need to run Tome of Horrors. It just doesn't sit terribly well with me.

But rest assured, we'll figure out something eventually. For now, I just really like that I don't have to go far for a new Paizocon event every year. :)

Speaking of which, of those interested, this year's step into Bastardhall will take players--after three years--finally within the castle's walls to its festering gardens.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
As a suggestion why not do Bastardhall as a Campaign setting book (Same idea as Dungeons of golarion only focusing on one place.)

If we were going to go that far, I'd think "Why not just make it an adventure?" It'd be like getting a 64 page book on the Tome of Horrors, but not what you actually need to run Tome of Horrors. It just doesn't sit terribly well with me.

But rest assured, we'll figure out something eventually. For now, I just really like that I don't have to go far for a new Paizocon event every year. :)

Speaking of which, of those interested, this year's step into Bastardhall will take players--after three years--finally within the castle's walls to its festering gardens.

hmmmm festering gardens....

might I assume that this means that it will contain lots and lots of carnivouse plants????

like the giant flytrap, the hangman's tree and others????

ooooh and will the ruined fountain be surrounded by assasin vines????

you think I like killer plants?????


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
As a suggestion why not do Bastardhall as a Campaign setting book (Same idea as Dungeons of golarion only focusing on one place.)

If we were going to go that far, I'd think "Why not just make it an adventure?" It'd be like getting a 64 page book on the Tome of Horrors, but not what you actually need to run Tome of Horrors. It just doesn't sit terribly well with me.

But rest assured, we'll figure out something eventually.

Well, the module books are only 32 pages, while the Campaign Setting books are 64 pages. Point is taken though.

I say linked modules focusing on parts of the building:

Maybe the first module isn't even about Bastardhall itself, maybe it's about the black carriage and is a wilderness adventure about the trek to Bastardhall.

The second module is something like The Black Gate of Bastardhall and is dealing with getting in the castle, or getting out.

Since various parts of the castle have their own monstrous inhabitants each section/module could have its own BBEG.

Well anyway, that's my pitch for a module series anyway.

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A mega-dungeon or linked series of adventures sounds great to me. One of the greatest adventures that I always planned to write in my high school / early youth was a giant haunted house with its palatial grounds.

When Ravenloft came out (because I am not a young man) it never excited me like the concept of Bastardhall does.

Heh, I tried to gush about it to you at Paizocon last year, Wes, but I can't speak for crap in a barroom haze.

It's a cool concept, and it conveys that sense on invincible evil that does make me back down, but rather have a run at it- as if to say, maybe we can be the ones to shatter the curse, once and for all!

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Wolf Munroe wrote:
Well anyway, that's my pitch for a module series anyway.

It's an interesting idea, and we've had varying degrees of success going that route in the past. Hum, hum, hum...

Jim Groves wrote:


Heh, I tried to gush about it to you at Paizocon last year, Wes, but I can't speak for crap in a barroom haze.

It's a cool concept, and it conveys that sense on invincible evil that does make me back down, but rather have a run at it- as if to say, maybe we can be the ones to shatter the curse, once and for all!

Ha! Awesome Jim. Thanks a ton. :)


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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Wolf Munroe wrote:
Well anyway, that's my pitch for a module series anyway.

It's an interesting idea, and we've had varying degrees of success going that route in the past. Hum, hum, hum...

I can't help feeling that the money people are pouring into Frog God for the likes of Slumbering Tsar and Rappan Athuk demonstrate there's an appetite for adventures that are larger than the module line can accommodate. As you point out, there are so many great ideas in Golarion crying out for more exploration, maybe that's a market that Paizo should take a tilt at, IF you guys can figure out a way to make it work.

Cheliax

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


Speaking of which, of those interested, this year's step into Bastardhall will take players--after three years--finally within the castle's walls to its festering gardens.

Sweeeeet!

Paizo Employee Editor-in-Chief

kikai13 wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


Speaking of which, of those interested, this year's step into Bastardhall will take players--after three years--finally within the castle's walls to its festering gardens.
Sweeeeet!

By the by, kikai13 here has played in every session of Bastardhall so far, so if anyone has any questions about the game, he has a unique perspective on the series thus far.

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
kikai13 wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


Speaking of which, of those interested, this year's step into Bastardhall will take players--after three years--finally within the castle's walls to its festering gardens.
Sweeeeet!
By the by, kikai13 here has played in every session of Bastardhall so far, so if anyone has any questions about the game, he has a unique perspective on the series thus far.

::cough:: While I think of a question about the series, how about you tell us how you rig the lottery!?

Seriously, have any of the 'episodes' had you face down the Black Carriage? or encounter it?

It sounds crazy, but I thought that might be a way get on the grounds. Jump aboard and fight to stay on, or try to follow in its wake before the Estate tries to cut you off from pursuing.

BASTARDHALL MUST BE PUBLISHED IN SOME FORM! Megadungeon or mini-arc, what have you.

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God, I want to be in on the next part... Having gotten to the door last time. We'll see.

Osirion

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Every time I see the name Bastardhall, it makes me think of the Dreadfort from Game of Thrones :)

Cheliax

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Jim Groves wrote:


::cough:: While I think of a question about the series, how about you tell us how you rig the lottery!?

Seriously, have any of the 'episodes' had you face down the Black Carriage? or encounter it?

1. Ancient Chinese secret

2. We arrived in Cesca one fine day when the Black Carriage had been seen in the area every night. It delivered a message, then sped off into the night. All of the characters were first level pre-gens, and many panties were soiled that night, let me tell ya!

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kikai13 wrote:
1. Ancient Chinese secret

Awww man. I guess I wouldn't tell anybody either. Each session offers pre-gens right? Just in case I get lucky?

kikai13 wrote:
2. We arrived in Cesca one fine day when the Black Carriage had been seen in the area every night. It delivered a message, then sped off into the night. All of the characters were first level pre-gens, and many panties were soiled that night, let me tell ya!

Yeah, I can imagine.

But you know? That's a strong and exciting start. Face to face with something potent and iconic. It grabs your attention and lets you know that even though you're first level—you're doing something important and significant. And then as you build your way up in levels and overcome challenges you can look back at those early days and remember how scared dirty you were, but you weren't going to back down.

You were going to put a stop to Bastardhall even if it meant standing toe to toe with the very gates of Hell.

I envy you and your ancient Chinese secret. If you ever get the energy and inclination I'd love to see a Con report on this event, and previous ones.


Our 7th level character will be attempting to find and get into Bastardhall in the hopes of finding an Amulet that will redeem a vampiric Lord from a village south in Ustaluv.

Andoran

Now that Paizo's moving to the 64-page format for its modules, is there any chance of a high-level Bastardhall module in our future?


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Louis Lyons wrote:
Now that Paizo's moving to the 64-page format for its modules, is there any chance of a high-level Bastardhall module in our future?

I would absolutely ADORE an AP about Bastardhall.


"Cries from the grave resound in yours ears
they hail from beyond the gods' darkest fears
faces of terror are etched in your brain
the women are soul raped, the men are slain
Shadows of the dead are sliding on the walls.
Daemons dance in Bastardhall".

Please, pretty much, please, publish a "sequel" of Rule of Fear (which could be called Horrors of the Inner Sea) dedicated to explain in detail places like Bastardhall. We need more Gothic and cosmic horror in Golarion.

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