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I suspect this is a "no", but I figured I would throw this out.
The Rending Fury feat chain requires the rend special ability.
Is it intended that the Advanced Player's Guide feat Rending Claws would qualify for the Rending Fury feat chain?
RAW I suspect not since Rending Claws doesn't say you get the special ability itself, just a near mirror copy of the ability. However it feels like it might work in a RAI way. It's not like there are many feats for natural attack builds, so this might have been intended as a biscuit for them...
Eric
Eric Mason 37 wrote: I suspect this is a "no", but I figured I would throw this out.
The Rending Fury feat chain requires the rend special ability.
Is it intended that the Advanced Player's Guide feat Rending Claws would qualify for the Rending Fury feat chain?
RAW I suspect not since Rending Claws doesn't say you get the special ability itself, just a near mirror copy of the ability. However it feels like it might work in a RAI way. It's not like there are many feats for natural attack builds, so this might have been intended as a biscuit for them...
Eric
This is one instance where I say common sense (RAI) prevails over RAW. I'd allow it. I don't claim to know what the developers intended, but in the context, it would make little sense otherwise.
I think it's a feat chain like "Final Embrace", meant to give monsters more combat options. Seriously, how many ways can a PC get the constrict special ability? And the two superceeding racial prerequisites aren't even classified as being appropriate PC races (though that may change in the Advanced Race Guide coming April 2012). Sure, there are animal companions and eidilons that can attain it, but for the most part not PCs.
As for the "Rending Fury" chain, I agree with Foghammer that I'd rule it allowable. Rending Claws is the rend special ability in everything but name technicality. It gives you Rend without using the keyword explicitly. I do find it interesting that for a lot of creatures with rend, or for those with Rending Claws, that means only one attack needs to land to rend, essentiall making any one attack that hits in a round notably more powerful.
The first feat in the chain is useful for eidolons, granting them a strong natural standard attack.
Roaming Shadow wrote: I think it's a feat chain like "Final Embrace", meant to give monsters more combat options. I had the original turnovers for both of those feat chains ... and you are correct.
For the Final Embrace feats, I was tasked with creating a fighting style/feat chain for "creatures with serpentine bodies". The constrict special ability seemed the best way to approach this.
For the Rending Fury feats, I was tasked to create a style for "creatures with four or more arms". The rend special ability seemed the best way to approach this.
Tom Qadim wrote: Roaming Shadow wrote: I think it's a feat chain like "Final Embrace", meant to give monsters more combat options. I had the original turnovers for both of those feat chains ... and you are correct.
For the Final Embrace feats, I was tasked with creating a fighting style/feat chain for "creatures with serpentine bodies". The constrict special ability seemed the best way to approach this.
For the Rending Fury feats, I was tasked to create a style for "creatures with four or more arms". The rend special ability seemed the best way to approach this. So your intention was for it to not be available to the natural weapon combat style ranger with Aspect of the Beast and Rending Claws?
Or would it be worth flagging this as a FAQ for a developers' huddle?
Just curious as it seems others think it looks like a reasonable thing to allow access to for the character with Rending Claws...
Eric
Eric Mason 37 wrote:
So your intention was for it to not be available to the natural weapon combat style ranger with Aspect of the Beast and Rending Claws?
I wouldn't call it an intention - more of an oversight. ;-)
Eric Mason 37 wrote:
Or would it be worth flagging this as a FAQ for a developers' huddle?
Just curious as it seems others think it looks like a reasonable thing to allow access to for the character with Rending Claws...
For what it's worth I agree with you, and in hindsight I wish I had considered that when I designed the feats. It couldn't hurt to FAQ it.
what about the rend ability of boar style? I hope that qualifies for rending fury. Otherwise, those were-tigers I killed Saturday might not be dead after all...
BinkyBo wrote: what about the rend ability of boar style? I also had the original turnover for what eventually became the Boar Style feats, and those feats were definitely NOT intended to act as a prerequisite for Rending Fury. You must have the rend special attack ability to qualify for Rending Fury. I can see allowing Rending Claws to work as a prerequisite, but certainly not Boar Style. If you read through the Boar Style feats (as well as the fluff text that describes Boar Style on page 78), you never see the word "rend" used at all. This was intentional.
Anyway, that's my take on it ... just remember I'm merely a first time junior varsity freelancer.
Tom Qadim wrote: For what it's worth I agree with you, and in hindsight I wish I had considered that when I designed the feats. It couldn't hurt to FAQ it. Thank you :) I didn't want to spam the FAQ if I was just reading with too much hope in mind!
Eric
I have a question. Based on the above discussion it seems that the "rending claws" feat counts towards the "rending fury" chain. My DM agrees with this logic, however he is hesitant in providing me with the 1.5 times strength damage since it technically isn't categorized as a rend attack. I cannot find another way for a PC to learn this skill, and I found a feat under the same name (rending claws) made by Piazo Fans United that is a racial feat for lizard folk. This feat provides the times 1.5 strength and also never calls it a rend attack.
I know this thread has been inactive for a while, but I hope someone will read this and help me out!
Thanks!
Was rending claws meant to get 1.5 str too?
That is what I am trying to figure out, if you look up the rend special ability, it classifies the attack as claw damage plus strength times 1.5 (since you are using both claws to tear open the person for a 3rd attack, it is the equivalent of a 2 handed attack)
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