What negatives do i take for a natural weapon and a regular weapon in a full attack


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I made a half orc fighter with the toothy trait what negatives do i get on a full attack with my bite and my greatsword and can i even do this? And does power attack apply to my bite.


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killersqid wrote:
I made a half orc fighter with the toothy trait what negatives do i get on a full attack with my bite and my greatsword and can i even do this? And does power attack apply to my bite.

Your primary attack will get no penalty, your secondary attack will get -5.

As for power attack, I would guess that it does work with both attacks.


what makes it a secondary attack the trait says it is a primary attack does it become a secondary attack because i use it with a weapon?


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killersqid wrote:
what makes it a secondary attack the trait says it is a primary attack does it become a secondary attack because i use it with a weapon?

Yes, all primaries become secondaries when combined with weapons.


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Natural Attacks (Bestiary)
"Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack's original type"
Bestiary rules > Core Rule Book in this case


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Basically, take your weapon attacks as normal (full attack) and then take your natural attacks but treat them as secondary (-5). Easy peasy.


Weapon attacks: use your regular attack bonus, Power Attack works normally (-1 to all attack rolls, +3 to damage as you are wielding two-handed weapon)
Natural Attacks: -5 to attack roll and additional -1 for Power Attack. You get only one-half your Strength bonus added to bite damage, rounded down, and additional +1 to damage when using Power Attack (which has its effects halved for off-hand weapons and secondary natural attacks).


In addition, all of your attacks made with melee weapons and unarmed strikes are made as if you were two-weapon fighting. Your natural attacks are treated as light, off-hand weapons for determining the penalty to your other attacks. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.

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