paizo.com Recent Posts in PFS Gunslinger Questionpaizo.com Recent Posts in PFS Gunslinger Question2013-02-20T23:33:52Z2013-02-20T23:33:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionFumihasahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#332011-08-27T23:42:44Z2011-08-27T23:42:44Z<p>lol so normal game play took care of this question... gun blew up during his second game =(</p>lol so normal game play took care of this question... gun blew up during his second game =(Fumihasa2011-08-27T23:42:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionOzymandeushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#322011-09-11T09:25:57Z2011-08-10T03:47:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Callarek wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Here is what I think the feat is supposed to become for PFS play:</p>
<p><b>Gunsmithing</b></p>
<p>You know the secrets of repairing and restoring firearms.</p>
<p>Benefit: If you have access to a gunsmith’s kit, you can restore firearms, and purchase discounted bullets and black powder for all types of firearms. You do not need to make a Craft check to purchase discounted ammunition or to restore firearms.</p>
<p>Purchasing Ammunition: You can purchase bullets, pellets, and black powder for 10% of the price. If you have at least 1 rank in Craft (alchemy), you can also purchase alchemical cartridges for half the normal price of the cartridge. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item.</p>
<p>Restoring a Broken Firearm: Each day, with an hour’s worth of work, you can use this feat to repair a single firearm with the broken condition. You can take time during a rest period to restore a broken firearm with this feat.</p>
<p>Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type.</p>
<p>Normal: No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats. </blockquote><p>/agree
<p>I'm flagging this for the FAQ, which I imagine this issue will be address as it was stated that class specific issues will be covered there.</p>Callarek wrote:Here is what I think the feat is supposed to become for PFS play:
Gunsmithing
You know the secrets of repairing and restoring firearms.
Benefit: If you have access to a gunsmith’s kit, you can restore firearms, and purchase discounted bullets and black powder for all types of firearms. You do not need to make a Craft check to purchase discounted ammunition or to restore firearms.
Purchasing Ammunition: You can purchase bullets, pellets, and black powder for 10% of the...Ozymandeus2011-08-10T03:47:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionCallarek (alias of kinevon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#312011-08-10T07:47:13Z2011-08-10T02:35:22Z<p>Here is what I think the feat is supposed to become for PFS play:</p>
<p><b>Gunsmithing</b></p>
<p>You know the secrets of repairing and restoring firearms.</p>
<p>Benefit: If you have access to a gunsmith’s kit, you can restore firearms, and purchase discounted bullets and black powder for all types of firearms. You do not need to make a Craft check to purchase discounted ammunition or to restore firearms.</p>
<p>Purchasing Ammunition: You can purchase bullets, pellets, and black powder for 10% of the price. If you have at least 1 rank in Craft (alchemy), you can also purchase alchemical cartridges for half the normal price of the cartridge. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item.</p>
<p>Restoring a Broken Firearm: Each day, with an hour’s worth of work, you can use this feat to repair a single firearm with the broken condition. You can take time during a rest period to restore a broken firearm with this feat.</p>
<p>Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type.</p>
<p>Normal: No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.</p>Here is what I think the feat is supposed to become for PFS play:
Gunsmithing
You know the secrets of repairing and restoring firearms.
Benefit: If you have access to a gunsmith’s kit, you can restore firearms, and purchase discounted bullets and black powder for all types of firearms. You do not need to make a Craft check to purchase discounted ammunition or to restore firearms.
Purchasing Ammunition: You can purchase bullets, pellets, and black powder for 10% of the price. If you have...Callarek (alias of kinevon)2011-08-10T02:35:22ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionMark Garringer (alias of Zizazat)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#302011-08-10T01:52:42Z2011-08-10T01:52:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alorha wrote:</div><blockquote>So you can spend the 300gp as per the feat. </blockquote><p>This.Alorha wrote:So you can spend the 300gp as per the feat.
This.Mark Garringer (alias of Zizazat)2011-08-10T01:52:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionFumihasahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#292011-08-10T00:06:13Z2011-08-10T00:06:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote> Either I am going to be wrong, or you guys are going to be very disappointed, I am leaning to me being right, But I have been known to be wrong in the past ;) </blockquote><p>lol this thread is lasting far longer then I ever thought it would... with that being said I just hope we can get a official ruling before Saturday =P
<p>And thank you everyone who has taken the time to point out the various arguments for and against this, like I said I expected this thread to last 4-5 posts max!</p>Dragnmoon wrote:Either I am going to be wrong, or you guys are going to be very disappointed, I am leaning to me being right, But I have been known to be wrong in the past ;)
lol this thread is lasting far longer then I ever thought it would... with that being said I just hope we can get a official ruling before Saturday =P And thank you everyone who has taken the time to point out the various arguments for and against this, like I said I expected this thread to last 4-5 posts max!Fumihasa2011-08-10T00:06:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#282011-08-09T23:16:43Z2011-08-09T23:16:43Z<p>Either I am going to be wrong, or you guys are going to be very disappointed, I am leaning to me being right, But I have been known to be wrong in the past ;)</p>Either I am going to be wrong, or you guys are going to be very disappointed, I am leaning to me being right, But I have been known to be wrong in the past ;)Dragnmoon2011-08-09T23:16:43ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionJosh M Foster (Developer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#272011-08-09T23:02:16Z2011-08-09T23:02:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote> I would agree with you if they did not mention changes to the feat itself, but once they mentioned that there was changed to that feat they made it only legal for what is specifically allowed as posted in Additional Resources and not the rest of the feat. </blockquote><p>No, the fact that only things taken out are illegal means if the page is silent on part of a feat or feature, that feature is allowed. That is what the whole "negative" thing means. Unless it's negated in the book, it's in. Unless you show me where it says you cannot spend money for the upgrade with the feat, you can.
<p>Further, this is not an instance of crafting in game. You make no roll, you have no item you did not have, rather you spend gold as defined by the feat and slightly improve a weapon to the functioning of a standard weapon. You've made nothing new. In fact you've made nothing.</p>
<p>Again, you have to point where it disallows this specifically, not where it allows it. This is true for all APG material (UC, UM, and the Core, too). A change to a feat does -not- take out the rest of the feat unless they say it does.</p>
<p>So you can spend the 300gp as per the feat.</p>Dragnmoon wrote:I would agree with you if they did not mention changes to the feat itself, but once they mentioned that there was changed to that feat they made it only legal for what is specifically allowed as posted in Additional Resources and not the rest of the feat.
No, the fact that only things taken out are illegal means if the page is silent on part of a feat or feature, that feature is allowed. That is what the whole "negative" thing means. Unless it's negated in the book, it's in....Josh M Foster (Developer)2011-08-09T23:02:16ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger Questionbartgrokshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#262011-08-09T22:55:47Z2011-08-09T22:55:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item.</blockquote><p>They only mention changes to the aspects of the feat that allow you to craft forearms and ammo. They then list the replacement given for those aspects of the feat. As written A gunslinger is still allowed to use the the ability "restoring a broken firearm". The not being allowed to upgrade your initial firearm to masterwork does make some sense as upgrading mundane items in PFS is generally banned. Nothing in the wording of the additional resources doc however suggests that the feat has been stripped of the repair ability.Quote:Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item.
They only mention changes to the aspects of the feat that allow...bartgroks2011-08-09T22:55:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#252011-08-09T22:49:10Z2011-08-09T22:49:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lou Diamond wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Mark Needs to change the gunsmithing feat for PFS to allow a gunslinger to make his initial firearm a masterwork firearm for the normal price of the masterwork cost of 300gp. </p>
<p>Otherwise a gunslingger cannot get a masterwork firearm untl 4th level as muskets cost 1500gp + 300 for master work Total 1800 gp 13 fame and 3rd level for a pistol 1300 gp 9 fame. That is grossley unfair to the Gunslinger class. No other class suffers that penalty.</p>
<p>The Masterwork ability for firearms needs to be changed. form adding +1 to hit to droping the missfire chance by one. This would make far better sence to me as masterwork real firearms are of a far better quality than a mass produced firearms. I know this is bringing logic in to a fanstay game.</p>
<p>Game mechanics wise this would not be crafting a new weapon but just paying materials cost to improve the mechanics of the existing weapon. </blockquote><p>Non Magical Guns are not restricted by Fame, you can buy them as soon as you have the gold, It is an always available item •As long as you meet the restriction have being allowed to get a gun•Lou Diamond wrote:Mark Needs to change the gunsmithing feat for PFS to allow a gunslinger to make his initial firearm a masterwork firearm for the normal price of the masterwork cost of 300gp.
Otherwise a gunslingger cannot get a masterwork firearm untl 4th level as muskets cost 1500gp + 300 for master work Total 1800 gp 13 fame and 3rd level for a pistol 1300 gp 9 fame. That is grossley unfair to the Gunslinger class. No other class suffers that penalty.
The Masterwork ability for firearms...Dragnmoon2011-08-09T22:49:10ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionLou Diamondhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#242011-08-09T22:28:42Z2011-08-09T22:28:42Z<p>Mark Needs to change the gunsmithing feat for PFS to allow a gunslinger to make his initial firearm a masterwork firearm for the normal price of the masterwork cost of 300gp. </p>
<p>Otherwise a gunslingger cannot get a masterwork firearm untl 4th level as muskets cost 1500gp + 300 for master work Total 1800 gp 13 fame and 3rd level for a pistol 1300 gp 9 fame. That is grossley unfair to the Gunslinger class. No other class suffers that penalty.</p>
<p>The Masterwork ability for firearms needs to be changed. form adding +1 to hit to droping the missfire chance by one. This would make far better sence to me as masterwork real firearms are of a far better quality than a mass produced firearms. I know this is bringing logic in to a fanstay game.</p>
<p>Game mechanics wise this would not be crafting a new weapon but just paying materials cost to improve the mechanics of the existing weapon.</p>Mark Needs to change the gunsmithing feat for PFS to allow a gunslinger to make his initial firearm a masterwork firearm for the normal price of the masterwork cost of 300gp.
Otherwise a gunslingger cannot get a masterwork firearm untl 4th level as muskets cost 1500gp + 300 for master work Total 1800 gp 13 fame and 3rd level for a pistol 1300 gp 9 fame. That is grossley unfair to the Gunslinger class. No other class suffers that penalty.
The Masterwork ability for firearms needs to be...Lou Diamond2011-08-09T22:28:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#232011-08-09T21:09:23Z2011-08-09T21:09:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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For most books in the Additional Resources page, I would agree with you. However for the APG, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, and a few other hardcover books instead of being a positive method of adding material, these hardcovers are negative. By this I mean the sentence saying: "All material from this book is legal for play except as noted below. Some rules elements are legal but function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play, as described."</p>
<p>As the Additional Resources section is only referring to the crafting portions of the feat... the remainder is left alone. Otherwise it would say something to the effect of "Replace the Gunsmithing feat entirely with the following benefit." </blockquote><p>I would agree with you if they did not mention changes to the feat itself, but once they mentioned that there was changed to that feat they made it only legal for what is specifically allowed as posted in Additional Resources and not the rest of the feat.Alizor wrote:For most books in the Additional Resources page, I would agree with you. However for the APG, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, and a few other hardcover books instead of being a positive method of adding material, these hardcovers are negative. By this I mean the sentence saying: "All material from this book is legal for play except as noted below. Some rules elements are legal but function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play, as described."As the Additional...Dragnmoon2011-08-09T21:09:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionEnevhar Aldarionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#222011-08-09T20:47:38Z2011-08-09T20:47:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Omega Man wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Enevhar Aldarion wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote>Edit: Are you playing yet? </blockquote>I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky. </blockquote><p>What part of Virginia are you in?
<p>We have a pretty active crew down in Raleigh, NC & there are some cons that happen in High Point that end up having a Pathfinder presence.</p>
<p>OM </blockquote><p>Central Virginia, Lynchburg area. And yeah, there is stuff at the beach and in northern VA, but the drive time is what restricts me more than anything, between job and family. I am working on getting a good PFS representation at a convention in Roanoke in February that I work on, MystiCon, and if I have to wait til then to finally play a PFS game, I will.
<p>Now, back on subject LoL:</p>
<p>LazarX, the OP was asking about using his own Gunsmithing feat to upgrade his gun to masterwork, which would be a lot cheaper than going out and buying a new masterwork gun. If all you want is a masterwork weapon, then yeah, just buying one covers it. Of course, the new and cheaper way to upgrade a normal gun would be to buy a casting of Masterwork Transformation from an NPC caster and upgrade his gun that way if he is not allowed to do it himself.</p>Omega Man wrote:Enevhar Aldarion wrote: Dragnmoon wrote:Edit: Are you playing yet?
I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky. What part of Virginia are you in? We have a pretty active crew down in Raleigh, NC & there are some cons that happen in High Point that...Enevhar Aldarion2011-08-09T20:47:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#212011-08-09T19:47:30Z2011-08-09T19:47:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fumihasa wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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3. Gunsmithing Feat: Is it PFS legal to spend the 300g to upgrade the starter weapon to masterwork since this option is not available to anything else?</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type.</blockquote>Thanks in advance! </blockquote><p>Anyone in PFS can buy a masterwork weapon, it's in the allowed purchases and you'll find that the expense is exactly the same. So yes, if the gunslinger PC spends the gold, it's doable.Fumihasa wrote:3. Gunsmithing Feat: Is it PFS legal to spend the 300g to upgrade the starter weapon to masterwork since this option is not available to anything else? Quote:Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type.
Thanks in advance! Anyone in PFS can buy a masterwork weapon, it's in the...LazarX2011-08-09T19:47:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionOmega Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#202011-08-09T19:43:45Z2011-08-09T19:43:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Enevhar Aldarion wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote>Edit: Are you playing yet? </blockquote>I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky. </blockquote><p>What part of Virginia are you in?
<p>We have a pretty active crew down in Raleigh, NC & there are some cons that happen in High Point that end up having a Pathfinder presence.</p>
<p>OM</p>Enevhar Aldarion wrote:Dragnmoon wrote:Edit: Are you playing yet?
I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky. What part of Virginia are you in? We have a pretty active crew down in Raleigh, NC & there are some cons that happen in High Point that end up having a...Omega Man2011-08-09T19:43:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionEnevhar Aldarionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#192011-08-09T19:13:23Z2011-08-09T19:13:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote>Edit: Are you playing yet? </blockquote><p>I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky.Dragnmoon wrote:Edit: Are you playing yet?
I wish. There just does not seem to be any PFS activity in my area here in Virginia and there are no gaming stores here either. The closest stuff seems to be a couple hours drive at least and I cannot do that right now. Maybe some time this year at a convention, if I am lucky.Enevhar Aldarion2011-08-09T19:13:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#182011-08-09T18:59:47Z2011-08-09T18:59:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Enevhar Aldarion wrote:</div><blockquote> Upgrading to masterwork by using a feat is still crafting and crafting is not allowed in PFS, except for the explicit exception of a wizard's arcane bond item. If this upgrade were allowed, then Mark would have added an exception in the same way. And of course, after reading all this, he may add an exception in the next update. But we will have to wait til he recovers from his Gencon hangover and reads through all the threads that require his attention. </blockquote><p>Once again, what he said.
<p>Edit: Are you playing yet?</p>Enevhar Aldarion wrote:Upgrading to masterwork by using a feat is still crafting and crafting is not allowed in PFS, except for the explicit exception of a wizard's arcane bond item. If this upgrade were allowed, then Mark would have added an exception in the same way. And of course, after reading all this, he may add an exception in the next update. But we will have to wait til he recovers from his Gencon hangover and reads through all the threads that require his attention.
Once again,...Dragnmoon2011-08-09T18:59:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionEnevhar Aldarionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#172011-08-09T18:49:47Z2011-08-09T18:49:47Z<p>Upgrading to masterwork by using a feat is still crafting and crafting is not allowed in PFS, except for the explicit exception of a wizard's arcane bond item. If this upgrade were allowed, then Mark would have added an exception in the same way. And of course, after reading all this, he may add an exception in the next update. But we will have to wait til he recovers from his Gencon hangover and reads through all the threads that require his attention.</p>Upgrading to masterwork by using a feat is still crafting and crafting is not allowed in PFS, except for the explicit exception of a wizard's arcane bond item. If this upgrade were allowed, then Mark would have added an exception in the same way. And of course, after reading all this, he may add an exception in the next update. But we will have to wait til he recovers from his Gencon hangover and reads through all the threads that require his attention.Enevhar Aldarion2011-08-09T18:49:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#162011-08-09T18:12:09Z2011-08-09T18:12:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote>If it was allowed it would say it was allowed.</blockquote><p>For most books in the Additional Resources page, I would agree with you. However for the APG, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, and a few other hardcover books instead of being a positive method of adding material, these hardcovers are negative. By this I mean the sentence saying: "All material from this book is legal for play except as noted below. Some rules elements are legal but function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play, as described."
<p>As the Additional Resources section is only referring to the crafting portions of the feat... the remainder is left alone. Otherwise it would say something to the effect of "Replace the Gunsmithing feat entirely with the following benefit."</p>Dragnmoon wrote:If it was allowed it would say it was allowed.
For most books in the Additional Resources page, I would agree with you. However for the APG, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, and a few other hardcover books instead of being a positive method of adding material, these hardcovers are negative. By this I mean the sentence saying: "All material from this book is legal for play except as noted below. Some rules elements are legal but function differently in Pathfinder Society...Alizor2011-08-09T18:12:09ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionArVagorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#152011-08-09T17:55:29Z2011-08-09T17:55:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I disagree, It says right out, Crafting is not allowed, except for cheaper bullets.</p>
<p>If it was allowed it would say it was allowed.</blockquote><p>For reference: "Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type."
<p>This repair section says nothing about crafting a •new• firearm; rather, he is repairing his existing firearm to be of better quality.</p>
<p>But I'm nobody, so I would say let the PFS powers-that-be clarify...</p>Dragnmoon wrote:I disagree, It says right out, Crafting is not allowed, except for cheaper bullets.
If it was allowed it would say it was allowed.
For reference: "Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type." This repair section says nothing about crafting a *new* firearm; rather, he is...ArVagor2011-08-09T17:55:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#142011-08-09T17:41:36Z2011-08-09T17:41:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alizor wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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The Additional Resources page is simply replacing the "Crafting Firearms" and "Crafting Ammunition" section of the feat, not the other sections. The remainder of the feat is legal for society play. The "Special" section at the end that lets you repair the broken firearm and make it masterwork for 300 gp. In addition the "Restoring a Broken Firearm" section is unaltered by the Additional Resources Page. </blockquote><p>I disagree, It says right out, Crafting is not allowed, except for cheaper bullets.
<p>If it was allowed it would say it was allowed.</p>
<p>•I have the right to be wrong, and for mark to correct me, but as it stands that is how the Feat is.</p>Alizor wrote:The Additional Resources page is simply replacing the "Crafting Firearms" and "Crafting Ammunition" section of the feat, not the other sections. The remainder of the feat is legal for society play. The "Special" section at the end that lets you repair the broken firearm and make it masterwork for 300 gp. In addition the "Restoring a Broken Firearm" section is unaltered by the Additional Resources Page.
I disagree, It says right out, Crafting is not allowed, except for cheaper...Dragnmoon2011-08-09T17:41:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionAlizorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#132011-08-09T17:32:29Z2011-08-09T17:32:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dragnmoon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Fumihasa wrote:</div><blockquote> hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol. </blockquote><p>this should help..
<p>Bob is Always Wrong...;)</p>
<p>This is from <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/resources" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Additional Resources</a>.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">additional Resources wrote:</div><blockquote>Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item. No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.</blockquote>It only allows what it says it allows, which does not include upgrading your weapon to masterwork. </blockquote><p>The Additional Resources page is simply replacing the "Crafting Firearms" and "Crafting Ammunition" section of the feat, not the other sections. The remainder of the feat is legal for society play. The "Special" section at the end that lets you repair the broken firearm and make it masterwork for 300 gp. In addition the "Restoring a Broken Firearm" section is unaltered by the Additional Resources Page.Dragnmoon wrote:Fumihasa wrote: hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol.
this should help.. Bob is Always Wrong...;)
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additional Resources wrote:Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the...Alizor2011-08-09T17:32:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#122011-08-09T17:21:51Z2011-08-09T17:21:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fumihasa wrote:</div><blockquote> hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol. </blockquote><p>this should help..
<p>Bob is Always Wrong...;)</p>
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">additional Resources wrote:</div><blockquote>Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item. No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.</blockquote><p>It only allows what it says it allows, which does not include upgrading your weapon to masterwork.Fumihasa wrote:hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol.
this should help.. Bob is Always Wrong...;)
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additional Resources wrote:Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm....Dragnmoon2011-08-09T17:21:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionFumihasahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#112011-08-09T16:10:09Z2011-08-09T16:10:09Z<p>hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol.</p>hmmm great multiple knowledgeable people with conflicting answers lol.Fumihasa2011-08-09T16:10:09ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionDragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#102011-08-09T05:38:57Z2011-08-09T05:38:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bob Jonquet wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Enevhar Aldarion wrote:</div><blockquote> No, weapons and armor cannot be upgraded to masterwork in PFS play, they have to start that way when you buy them. </blockquote>This does not appear to be the case for Gunslinger. Normally, you cannot <b>pay</b> someone to upgrade your weapon. However, paying the 300gp and using your Gunsmithing ability to upgrade the weapon seems to be a special exception to the normal rule. </blockquote><p>I don't think that is Authorized for PFS.Bob Jonquet wrote:Enevhar Aldarion wrote: No, weapons and armor cannot be upgraded to masterwork in PFS play, they have to start that way when you buy them.
This does not appear to be the case for Gunslinger. Normally, you cannot pay someone to upgrade your weapon. However, paying the 300gp and using your Gunsmithing ability to upgrade the weapon seems to be a special exception to the normal rule. I don't think that is Authorized for PFS.Dragnmoon2011-08-09T05:38:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: PFS Gunslinger QuestionTwilightKnighthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mnw3?PFS-Gunslinger-Question#92011-08-11T16:29:54Z2011-08-09T01:48:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Enevhar Aldarion wrote:</div><blockquote> No, weapons and armor cannot be upgraded to masterwork in PFS play, they have to start that way when you buy them. </blockquote><p>This does not appear to be the case for Gunslinger. Normally, you cannot <b>pay</b> someone to upgrade your weapon. However, paying the 300gp and using your Gunsmithing ability to upgrade the weapon seems to be a special exception to the normal rule.Enevhar Aldarion wrote:No, weapons and armor cannot be upgraded to masterwork in PFS play, they have to start that way when you buy them.
This does not appear to be the case for Gunslinger. Normally, you cannot pay someone to upgrade your weapon. However, paying the 300gp and using your Gunsmithing ability to upgrade the weapon seems to be a special exception to the normal rule.TwilightKnight2011-08-09T01:48:38Z