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Foghammer wrote:


Also: am I the only one who expects to see Korra mix-n-matching her water/firebending styles, as in, using water movements for firebending and vice versa? I think that would make for a wildly unpredictable fighter, something I suspect is part of her character based on her heritage and situation.

I'm not even going to elaborate why that doesn't make sense.


Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

Do you think there will be any new martial arts styles used in the new series? I suspect that a lot of the non-benders will show off a plethora of new styles, possibly even non-Asian martial arts (though that might be a bit of a long shot; I only think that because of the massive swing in culture).

I am curious as to how a world who is starting to dislike benders is going to function alongside the alleged metal-bending police (not that they'll be able to, but there's lots of speculation).

Also: am I the only one who expects to see Korra mix-n-matching her water/firebending styles, as in, using water movements for firebending and vice versa? I think that would make for a wildly unpredictable fighter, something I suspect is part of her character based on her heritage and situation.

All speculation, but it's fun to think about.

The renaming is because Nickolodeon wanted the series to be readily identified with the previous set, at least according to the Avatar:TLA wiki.

I really don't see Korra "mix and matching" - the various bending styles are all integral to their respective martial forms. Earthbenders Bend the Earth by assuming Earthbending Stances. Waterbending is done a specific way because that's how it works. Same for Air, same for Fire. Not even Aang, or Avatar Roku, or any of the others with all their various and crazy heritages, ever use a Fire Stance to bend Water. The stance and the form is part of the bending method. The creators and writers and animators have always been very careful to keep this consistent. I don't see them changing that now.

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Kryzbyn wrote:

Where did ya'll see info on a new air bender show? Nick?

They've been announcing it, the creators have been holding talks about it at conventions, press releases, etc. Some of the con presentations have been recorded and uploaded on youtube and such too.

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The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra (originally Avatar: Legend of Korra


jemstone wrote:
Honestly, at this point I have to wonder if some of you are continuing this line of thought and debate solely to frustrate Cartigan.
While not intentional, I fear it is unavoidable. But yes...
jemstone wrote:

Can we stop this and get back to talking about Aang and Katara and Toph and Sokka and Zuko and Momo and all the rest? 'cause that'd be really swell.

Heck, we could postulate things on Korra.

I have been trying to avoid the speculations lest I be disappointed.

Frex: will Korro's laugh be as contagious as Aang's, will Iroh's metaphor's and tea be be present at all? :), will a boomerang, pony-tail and space sword provide much comic relief? These were all missing from the movie and look how that turned out :(

I do hope the unbroken history (as opposed to Aang's hundred year sleep) means we get to see more of the former avatars. We saw Roku and K... ?(cannae remember the name now,) and we briefly met a previous water and air avatar. We saw several lines of avatars do you think we will get anymore? :)

jemstone wrote:
...The creators and writers and animators have always been very careful to keep this consistent. I don't see them changing that now.

Artistic license. All these things are based on real life items to give us the readers/viewers a concrete example to base the fantasy elements off of. Consider Tashi, Kittomer, Quiditch, nurf & typus, .

Spoiler:
Alone they mean little but add a concrete image with them and you get station named Tashi, the Kittomer massacre a quiditch tournament, nurf-herders, a platypus-bear, and we can relate without having any real knowledge of what these things are. (OK i cheated on the bear :)
So while they have been good about starting from the same point they will do whatever changes they feel make the story more interesting and still keep us connected.

Also I think Iroh's redirecting tecnique, sand-bending/water-bending locking their ankles down allow for some crossover :) Iirc some crossover in Aang as well. Specifically I am thinking the volcano episode and the last episodes when he was bending multiple elements at the same time. Am I remembering those correctly?


jemstone wrote:

I really don't see Korra "mix and matching" - the various bending styles are all integral to their respective martial forms. Earthbenders Bend the Earth by assuming Earthbending Stances. Waterbending is done a specific way because that's how it works. Same for Air, same for Fire. Not even Aang, or Avatar Roku, or any of the others with all their various and crazy heritages, ever use a Fire Stance to bend Water. The stance and the form is part of the bending method. The creators and writers and animators have always been very careful to keep this consistent. I don't see them changing that now.

Yes, but doesn't Iroh talk about how he studied water bending to improve his fire bending. And it seems to me like an Avatar who knows how to rapidly change stances and flow from one to the next would be very powerful. Not necessarily using a fire stance to bend water, but switching between a water and fire stance in fluid succession to bend both at the same time.


Crimson Jester wrote:
The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra (originally Avatar: Legend of Korra

OK Spent way too much time at that site, thanks for posting.

brothers who fire-bend, earth bend... challenges what I knew about bending already :)

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Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

Do you think there will be any new martial arts styles used in the new series? I suspect that a lot of the non-benders will show off a plethora of new styles, possibly even non-Asian martial arts (though that might be a bit of a long shot; I only think that because of the massive swing in culture).

I am curious as to how a world who is starting to dislike benders is going to function alongside the alleged metal-bending police (not that they'll be able to, but there's lots of speculation).

Also: am I the only one who expects to see Korra mix-n-matching her water/firebending styles, as in, using water movements for firebending and vice versa? I think that would make for a wildly unpredictable fighter, something I suspect is part of her character based on her heritage and situation.

All speculation, but it's fun to think about.

you mean Avatar: The Legend of Korra like the Title sequences on Avatar: The Legend of Aang.

The Chief of Police is supposed to be the Daughter or Grand Daughter of Toph Bei Fong.

The underworld is a bunch of unknowns who use chi blocking to take down Benders. I put this down to the innevitable uprising between the warrior caste and the Ruling Benders. We know who these guys are - They are The Kyoshi Warriors who learn chi blocking from their newest member Ty-Lee...

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yellowdingo wrote:


The Chief of Police is supposed to be the Daughter or Grand Daughter of Toph Bei Fong.

Daughter, and all police, many are earthbenders who have spools of metal wire on their back so they can use it to capture suspects and also move around similar to batman/spiderman. That's the impression the creators gave in their talks.

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Just get it on air. And make it not suck.

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Crimson Jester wrote:
Just get it on air. And make it not suck.

The Only Way it would suck is if they let M. Night Shyaman near it...


Cartigan wrote:
Foghammer wrote:


Also: am I the only one who expects to see Korra mix-n-matching her water/firebending styles, as in, using water movements for firebending and vice versa? I think that would make for a wildly unpredictable fighter, something I suspect is part of her character based on her heritage and situation.
I'm not even going to elaborate why that doesn't make sense.

Well sure it does, at least as much sense as Iroh learning to redirect lightning with waterbending techniques. In fact, he advocated learning from other nations bending styles. (This was already mentioned, though.) Toph doesn't use hung gar, either; she uses chow gar (aka southern praying mantis) so her earthbending is very different from others'. I would say her movements are somewhat more fluid than traditional earthbending.

Personally, I think airbending stances could be useful to a waterbender, especially if they are up close. The circular movement and footwork theoretically could help with waterbending momentum.

But hey, if you don't like that idea, that's your deal. I think it would be neat. Someone who knows more about Asian martial arts, like the martial arts consultant for the show, could probably tell them ways to make that work, or inform them of other styles that find a balance between passive/aggressive or hard/soft or whatever. If they wanted to do it, they'd make it look good, and not cheesy.

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I see Jessie Flower who voices Toph in Season 2-3 appears in Season 1 as the Voice of Meng? or Meg? in the Fortuneteller Episode.

Katara: "Bye Meg!"
Meg (Smiling): "Bye!"
Avatar and Companions fly off...
Meg (Disgruntled): "Floozy!"

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Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

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LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

BOOK 4: AIR:

The wedding of Katara and Aang. Aang has a conversation with Zuko about locating Ursa (Zuko’s mother). Aang informs Zuko that it is within his ability to find her – All things being connected. He is about to look for her when Zuko is forced to depart and deal with an issue of governance. Aang Promises to help Zuko find his mother in the morning.
During the Wedding night after Katara is asleep, Aang uses his powers to make a connection to Ursa – he also notices Azula. He sees that Azula has nightmares about the Avatar coming for her – to drain her bending. Ko the Face Stealer Asks Aang if this is what he is to become. He returns to focus on Ursa but sees that Azula is so much like her mother. Aang realizes that he can heal her and restore Zuko’s family – not just leave it fractured.
Aang vanishes the morning after the wedding night. He appears in Azula’s cage and touches her face telling her she looks so much like her mother. She cowers under his touch in absolute fear. Aang departs the Fire nation Prison where Azula is held taking Azula with him.

Sokka gets a copy of the Fire Nation Library from Zuko. “A Giant Own Spirit knows my name and is angry with me; that’s not something I can live with.” Sokka and Toph depart for the Earth Kingdom to restore the Library of Wan Shi Tong’s lost Fire nation section and appease Wan Shi Tong the Giant Owl Spirit.

- On the Journey they will retrieve Sokka’s Sword, pass through The Cave of Two Lovers, Omashu, and finally arrive in the Desert in search of the Library where Sokka surrenders himself and the collection of fire nation books and scrolls to the Librarian Wan Shi Tong. While there he asks the great spirit of the Library for a book that Toph can read and would the Library Spirit teach her how to read. Wan Shi Tong Agrees offers to do so if Sokka will surrender his Space Sword. Sokka agrees and Wan Shi Tong metal bends the Sword into a scroll. He has Toph put her hands on the Scroll and metal bends raised lettering on the metal scroll teaching her how to read and ultimately how to write.
After visiting the Library of Wan Shi Tong Sokka and Toph visit her family for a while inviting them to a wedding on Kyoshi Island and departing for the Island of Kyoshi where he will marry Suki.

On Kyoshi Island Sokka learns that Aang has long vanished with Azula. Sokka and Toph also learn that Katara is with child.
The Wedding of Suki and Sokka. Toph and Ty Lee get to talking about how they lost out to Suki on getting their hands on Sokka.
Aang who has been constantly monitoring Ursa’s life has not been searching for her. He has been taking Azula all over the world in order to make her whole – to heal her spiritually so that she will accept that she is like her mother.

Without the Avatar’s help Firelord Zuko is increasingly frustrated and concerned as to why it has taken so long for Aang to locate his mother. In the end it is down to Katara to work with Zuko to build a future for the World by creating the idea of a Republic City at the centre of the known World - somewhere near Haru’s Village. Katara continues to find that she is opposed by the Priest class (the Fire Sages) who have been erasing the families of the Avatars from history until the Avatar is more of a Demigod like figure rather than a lineage from which every bender is ultimately descended. Their false mythologies - The Creation Myths of dragons teaching Fire bending, Badger Moles teaching Earth Bending, The ocean and the moon teaching water bending, and the Sky Bison teaching Air bending in conflict with the truth that the first Avatar was an Energy Bender (a Telekinetic) and all bending nations and benders are descended from the Avatar lineage.

Sokka and Toph go in search of Aang on the morning after his wedding night with Suki.

Suki is very angry with him for sneaking off with Toph on an adventure abandoning her. A Pregnant Katara and Mei suggest that there is some sort of problem with their men collectively (Mei comments that Zuko did the same thing) and they all look at Zuko like he is guilty of everything. Ty Lee panics and paralyses Zuko. “Oops! Sorry I panicked.”
Aang is on the Lion Turtle meditating with Azula. He is attempting to turn her into a Human being that both Azula and the rest of the world will be happy with. At this time he is teaching her Energy bending. She alone seems to have a natural talent for it that simply requires a greater degree of happiness and good in her life to make her a better person.

Soka and Toph visit June the Bounty-huntress and learn that Aang and Azula are gone from the world. Sokka concludes that they are both together with the Lion-turtle. He realizes that Aang is seeking to teach Azula Energy bending. They can only locate Ursa and they go to find her.

Aang convinces the Lion-turtle to teach Azula Energy bending – the ultimate form of her lightning bending. Consequently Azula’s children will be born randomly as fire benders, Earth benders, Air benders, and Water Benders.

Now Aang and Azula journey to find Zuko’s Mother.

Katara is on the verge of giving birth to her first child in the care of Suki. An Assassin sent by the fire sages to wipe out the Avatar’s family is unable to kill Katara but when the Assassin kills Suki, Katara tears the water from the Assassin’s body killing him and goes into labour. Zuko and Mei take Katara and her un-named child to the Southern Air Temple leaving half the Kyoshi Warriors to guard Katara. Zuko, Mei, Ty Lee, and the remaining Kyoshi warriors return to the Fire nation in search of the source of the Assassin.

The Assassin’s source is revealed and Ursa who has been found by Aang, Azula, Toph, and Sokka is also killed by an Assassin in order to drive a wedge between the Avatar and friends and Zuko. Crushed by what has happened, they seek to return to the Fire nation with her body.
Zuko hears that his mother is returned. He rushes to spot a Woman who looks like his Mother. It turns out to be Azula. The Avatar and Friends are escorting the Body of Azula and Zuko’s mother home. Aang, Sokka, and Toph learn of the assassination attempt on Katara and the Death of Suki. Azula begs the forgiveness of Ty Lee and Mei and Zuko. They see she is a very different Azula.

The Wedding of Zuko and Mei is tinged with both happiness and loss.
Toph takes the remnant Dai Lee to Republic City which is little more than a building site filled with increasing numbers of refugees with a plan to establish a police Force to stop the fighting between factions of benders in the city.

Aang travels to the Southern Air Temple with Sokka and the Kyoshi Warriors to visit Katara and Aang and Katara’s baby Son: Tenzin.
Sokka, Ty Lee, and the Kyoshi Warriors go to Kyoshi Island. While Sokka stares out at the Sea next to Suki’s grave, Ty Lee returns to training Kyoshi Warriors who will all be trained as chi blockers to take the bending abilities from all benders and make everyone equal...

End


yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.


yellowdingo wrote:

I see Jessie Flower who voices Toph in Season 2-3 appears in Season 1 as the Voice of Meng? or Meg? in the Fortuneteller Episode.

Katara: "Bye Meg!"
Meg (Smiling): "Bye!"
Avatar and Companions fly off...
Meg (Disgruntled): "Floozy!"

I just saw that episode again today. Loved Meg, she was so cute.


yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Your Book 4 is a little too ridiculous fan fic.

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Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

I did it as a Summarized Prediction of Event Resolution in the TV Series. It think it is the most obvious outcome for a book 4 so it may be way off. it does however line everything up for Avatar: Legend of Korra.


yellowdingo wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

I did it as a Summarized Prediction of Event Resolution in the TV Series. It think it is the most obvious outcome for a book 4 so it may be way off. it does however line everything up for Avatar: Legend of Korra.

I like it. Every now and again you put out something of interest.

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Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

I did it as a Summarized Prediction of Event Resolution in the TV Series. It think it is the most obvious outcome for a book 4 so it may be way off. it does however line everything up for Avatar: Legend of Korra.
I like it. Every now and again you put out something of interest.

Then perhaps you will enjoy the Write a Scifi Game I just Posted in Forum Games...dang it. I just realized I will now have to move the Book of Air Summary to theGames Section for those who might be interested in a game involving the writing of Book 4: Air.

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Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

Awful is what I'd call it for the way it breaks, or in some places, totally contradicts Avatar lore, and the whole Mary Sueness of it's thrust.

Grand Lodge

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Foghammer wrote:
Toph doesn't use hung gar, either; she uses chow gar (aka southern praying mantis) so her earthbending is very different from others'.

She's not the only one. After all, look at what Boomi pulls off using only his FACE!


LazarX wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

Awful is what I'd call it for the way it breaks, or in some places, totally contradicts Avatar lore, and the whole Mary Sueness of it's thrust.

What mary-sueness? I could see a few contradictions here and there, but I'm not reading Mary Sue, really.

Moreover, could you top off my Haterade(tm)?

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LazarX wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

I'm frustrated that the series title was changed to "The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra" because supposedly there are a few more airbenders than in the previous series. I suspect it has to do with the James Cameron film or property identity in wake of the live-action film, but it's a stupid change.

It' entirely due to Cameron. He's laying claim to any title that begins with the word "Avatar".

nikelodeon really should have sued his arse for stealing 'Avatar'.

** spoiler omitted **...

Is this your work or someone else's? Either way it's awesome.

Awful is what I'd call it for the way it breaks, or in some places, totally contradicts Avatar lore, and the whole Mary Sueness of it's thrust.

In what way doesit contradict Avatar Lore?

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I always expected Book 4 to focus on the face-stealer and what happened to Iroh's Son.


Crimson Jester wrote:
I always expected Book 4 to focus on the face-stealer and what happened to Iro's Son.

Face stealer would be interesting, but I think we all kinda figured out what happened to Iroh's son.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I always expected Book 4 to focus on the face-stealer and what happened to Iroh's Son.
Face stealer would be interesting, but I think we all kinda figured out what happened to Iroh's son.

Well yes, but not the specifics, since getting to the face-stealer does not seem the easiest thing to do.


What I don't understand is this recurring insistence by people that there be a Book Of Air, when even the creators of the series have gone on the record stating that they never intended there to be one.

That said, I thought YD's stuff was okay, but it left me wondering - Dingo, have you read any of the supplemental comics that have been put out for A:TLA?


jemstone wrote:
What I don't understand is this recurring insistence by people that there be a Book Of Air, when even the creators of the series have gone on the record stating that they never intended there to be one.

Really? That's just weird.


Freehold DM wrote:
jemstone wrote:
What I don't understand is this recurring insistence by people that there be a Book Of Air, when even the creators of the series have gone on the record stating that they never intended there to be one.
Really? That's just weird.

Weird that I don't understand it? Or weird that the creators of A:TLA gave their series a beginning (Water), Middle (Earth), and End (Fire)? The series was only ever intended to go three seasons, did what it was created to do, and the only reason we have Korra getting her own series is because Nickolodeon pretty much begged them to give them more material.

I mean, this is all public record, here...

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Freehold DM wrote:
jemstone wrote:
What I don't understand is this recurring insistence by people that there be a Book Of Air, when even the creators of the series have gone on the record stating that they never intended there to be one.
Really? That's just weird.

With Disney Channel and many Nick shows, they have an absolute max of the series. Then if the show is bad, they forget it exists. If it works, they order a new series.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I always expected Book 4 to focus on the face-stealer and what happened to Iro's Son.
Face stealer would be interesting, but I think we all kinda figured out what happened to Iroh's son.

Ko the Face Stealer strikes me as one of those Spirits who doesnt just exist in the Spirit World - he is likely in the 'real world'. Unless the Bleoved of that early waterbender Avatar enteredd the spirit world on her own while he was off adventuring.

All the Names in the Last Airbender have indoeuropen roots - I suppose that was going happen when they went with names people would be familiar with.

KO THE FACE STEALER
I thought Ko the face stealer might have been the first Avatar to discover Fire bending - lost his own face in the discovery.

Ko comes from Ku meaning Hollow Place, Round Space, or object. Maybe Cave, Lair, nest, or Egg.
So Maybe Ko is hiding in plain sight - The Dragon Egg in the Temple of the Sun.
Alternativly, given he is in a Cave in the Spirit World and appears as a ' giant centipede' under the hollow of a Giant Tree perhaps he is beneath the Banyan Tree in the Swamp.


yellowdingo wrote:


In what way doesit contradict Avatar Lore?

One, it doesn't make sense.

She is pregnant with Tenzin - her third child - in your book? When the hell does this take place?
And the Owl Spirit uses metal bending? When the hell did it learn metal bending? Toph made that right the hell up.
Moreover, how do they EVEN GET BACK THERE? It's buried in the desert - if not removed to the spirit world. I mean, maybe if the Avatar breaks out his Avatar powers and raises it but even the Avatar is usually less powerful than the great spirits and ancients of the world.

Ko was probably killed or banished by the Waterbending Avatar after he found out what Ko did. Which is why it's in the spirit realm.

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Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:


In what way doesit contradict Avatar Lore?

One, it doesn't make sense.

She is pregnant with Tenzin - her third child - in your book? When the hell does this take place?
And the Owl Spirit uses metal bending? When the hell did it learn metal bending? Toph made that right the hell up.
Moreover, how do they EVEN GET BACK THERE? It's buried in the desert - if not removed to the spirit world. I mean, maybe if the Avatar breaks out his Avatar powers and raises it but even the Avatar is usually less powerful than the great spirits and ancients of the world.

Ko was probably killed or banished by the Waterbending Avatar after he found out what Ko did. Which is why it's in the spirit realm.

How odd.

1. I had heard Tenzin was her only child but if he is her third child It will be interesting to find out who the other two are - likely My suggestion will have to be ammended appropriately.

2. The Owl Spirit likely knows all the bending forms (though we only here he knows Water Bending in all three styles). He wouldnt be an all knowing Knowledge Spirit aware of every Nation if he didnt.

3. The Avatar refers to wishing he knew metal bending long before Toph 'rediscovers' the technique. Given the cyclic nature of Technology which seems to rise and fall with periods of Expansionism of one nation or another, So to will the Bending subspecialties like Metal Bending.

4. The Point Being That the presence of Sokka with large volumes of Lore 'might' encourage a return of the Owl with the Library to retrieve them. If there is any part of it in the real world then having an Earth Bender like Toph capable of Sand Bending on a Powerful scale might be useful in digging it out.

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I thought Toph had issues with Sand?

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Crimson Jester wrote:
I thought Toph had issues with Sand?

Spoiler:
First Episode of Sozins Comet 4 part ending - Sokka throws a beach party and Toph declares she has been working on her sand bending and promptly creates a sand minature Ba Sing Sei complete with Earth King and Bosco the bear...Then Zuko destroys it.

yellowdingo wrote:

2. The Owl Spirit likely knows all the bending forms (though we only here he knows Water Bending in all three styles). He wouldnt be an all knowing Knowledge Spirit aware of every Nation if he didnt.

3. The Avatar refers to wishing he knew metal bending long before Toph 'rediscovers' the technique. Given the cyclic nature of Technology which seems to rise and fall with periods of Expansionism of one nation or another, So to will the Bending subspecialties like Metal Bending.

Which means in thousands of years not even the Avatar knew how to metal bend.

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4. The Point Being That the presence of Sokka with large volumes of Lore 'might' encourage a return of the Owl with the Library to retrieve them. If there is any part of it in the real world then having an Earth Bender like Toph capable of Sand Bending on a Powerful scale might be useful in digging it out.

What.

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yellowdingo wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I thought Toph had issues with Sand?
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I will have to rewatch that.

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Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

2. The Owl Spirit likely knows all the bending forms (though we only here he knows Water Bending in all three styles). He wouldnt be an all knowing Knowledge Spirit aware of every Nation if he didnt.

3. The Avatar refers to wishing he knew metal bending long before Toph 'rediscovers' the technique. Given the cyclic nature of Technology which seems to rise and fall with periods of Expansionism of one nation or another, So to will the Bending subspecialties like Metal Bending.

Which means in thousands of years not even the Avatar knew how to metal bend.

We dont know that. Knowing that metal Bending is possible may be an indicator that that the knowledge existed with at least one incarnation of the avatar lineage.

Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
4. The Point Being That the presence of Sokka with large volumes of Lore 'might' encourage a return of the Owl with the Library to retrieve them. If there is any part of it in the real world then having an Earth Bender like Toph capable of Sand Bending on a Powerful scale might be useful in digging it out.
What.

What do you mean 'What'?

Sokka angered the all powerful knowledge spirit. The Knowledge Spirit sunk the library - whether or not that means into the spirit world is uncertain but there is likely to be some aspect of that.

The only reason the Library will come back is if the Knowledge spirit sees that Sokka is a changed person and coughing up a huge amount of Knowledge on the fire nation will go a long way toward that.

Only Toph is currently seen as capable of sand bending so if any part of the library exists in the real world she will be able to access it.

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Wan Shi Tong's Library

Wan Shi Tong's Library is colossal. It has at least twelve floors with the left and right wings linked by bridges. Each floor is about fifty feet high making the distance from 'street level' to the 'base of the main dome' six hundred feet high. That puts the peak of the tallest spire at about one thousand feet high. Left and right wings are about two hundred feet wide each and six hundred feet front to back.

Shelves are at least thirty feet high and ten feet apart and all up the library might have around about 8.64 million books (99%) and scrolls (1%) when 'full'.


yellowdingo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

2. The Owl Spirit likely knows all the bending forms (though we only here he knows Water Bending in all three styles). He wouldnt be an all knowing Knowledge Spirit aware of every Nation if he didnt.

3. The Avatar refers to wishing he knew metal bending long before Toph 'rediscovers' the technique. Given the cyclic nature of Technology which seems to rise and fall with periods of Expansionism of one nation or another, So to will the Bending subspecialties like Metal Bending.

Which means in thousands of years not even the Avatar knew how to metal bend.
We dont know that. Knowing that metal Bending is possible may be an indicator that that the knowledge existed with at least one incarnation of the avatar lineage.

What.

Saying "I wish I could bend metal" has NOTHING to do with knowing one COULD bend metal. I could say "I wish I could turn AOL CDs into gobstoppers" doesn't mean I could do it.

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What do you mean 'What'?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatWhat

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Sokka angered the all powerful knowledge spirit.

They ALL angered the knowledge spirit. Their entire party. Oh, and THE WORLD.

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The only reason the Library will come back is if the Knowledge spirit sees that Sokka is a changed person and coughing up a huge amount of Knowledge on the fire nation will go a long way toward that.

What

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Only Toph is currently seen as capable of sand bending so if any part of the library exists in the real world she will be able to access it.

Or you know, the Avatar. Even Toph couldn't bend a palace out of thousands of tons of sand.

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Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

2. The Owl Spirit likely knows all the bending forms (though we only here he knows Water Bending in all three styles). He wouldnt be an all knowing Knowledge Spirit aware of every Nation if he didnt.

3. The Avatar refers to wishing he knew metal bending long before Toph 'rediscovers' the technique. Given the cyclic nature of Technology which seems to rise and fall with periods of Expansionism of one nation or another, So to will the Bending subspecialties like Metal Bending.

Which means in thousands of years not even the Avatar knew how to metal bend.
We dont know that. Knowing that metal Bending is possible may be an indicator that that the knowledge existed with at least one incarnation of the avatar lineage.

What.

Saying "I wish I could bend metal" has NOTHING to do with knowing one COULD bend metal. I could say "I wish I could turn AOL CDs into gobstoppers" doesn't mean I could do it.

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What do you mean 'What'?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatWhat

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Sokka angered the all powerful knowledge spirit.

They ALL angered the knowledge spirit. Their entire party. Oh, and THE WORLD.

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The only reason the Library will come back is if the Knowledge spirit sees that Sokka is a changed person and coughing up a huge amount of Knowledge on the fire nation will go a long way toward that.

What

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Only Toph is currently seen as capable of sand bending so if any part of the library exists in the real world she will be able to access it.
Or you know, the Avatar. Even Toph couldn't bend a palace out of thousands of tons of sand.

I would have thought that Considering a single Earth Bender can lower a section of the Walls of Ba Sing Sei (1 mile high, 50 feet wide and fifty feet deep) Toph can lower some sand around a library or raise it out of the ground.

Silver Crusade

When is this suppose to air?

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Here it is gang:Avatar Last Airbender - World Map

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Avatar Comic being written by this guy

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BOOK 4: AIR

PRELUDE

Sokka cast a shadow over a Bloated Momo who now lay in an empty bowl of what was previously a bowl filled with candied fruits meant for Suki.
"Momo, we need to talk." The Flying Lemur caught the word Momo which usually meant they were referring to him personally...the rest was just the usual noise coming from the one friend who almost always had a supply of easily accessed food. Momo licked the sugar from his paw and closed his eyes. His friend would carry him to safety if there was any kind of problem.
Something touched his belly. Momo opened his eyes to find the favoured female that his friend now associated with was poking his belly.
"You ate my candied fruits..." She seemed annoyed at something. Momo couldn’t comprehend what she was on about. This one rarely had food for him but when she did she seemed nice enough.
"Come away from him Suki...He just doesn’t get it." Momo's friend with food was lying on the bed across the room surrounded by flowers.
Momo Sneezed.
"Sokka. We don’t have that much time...Your Sister is marrying the Avatar...TODAY." Sokka hissed at the suggestion.
"Please! I can be ready like that...we have plenty of time." Suki gave Sokka the 'you ate my candied fruits' look.
“Suki?” The fear in the voice of Sokka echoed through the door of their room and caught Zuko only momentarily as he passed by on the way to speak with Avatar Aang.
Zuko stopped at the open door. Aang was meditating on the floor, his marriage robes awaiting the end of his wayward life.
“Might I speak with you Aang?” At the acknowledgement of his presence by the Avatar, Zuko entered Aang’s Bedchamber un-distracted by Sokka’s distant Scream, closing the door behind him.


YD, I'm very curious to know why you insist that there must be a Book of Air when even the creators of the series felt it was unnecessary to include one. I mean, it's cool if you want to write your own fic and all, and I mean no offense, but why this seeming drive to make sure that there's a Book of Air?

I'm genuinely curious.

On another topic, though, you really have no idea how excited I am about that comic.

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Yellowdingo asked me for the basis of my critique of his "Book of Air".

I was sick for several weeks though so I didn't get the energy to to it until just now.

So I'll put up some points.

1st part. Zuko asking Aang to locate his mother. YD seems to forget it's Zuko who has the peoplehunting skills not Aang. There's not really much Aang could really do to help if Zuko can't hunt her down on his own. If he was going to ask ANYONE for help it'd be June and that scenting beast of hers.

The Fire Nation Library. YD seems to think that Zhao stole that work from the Owl spiritlibrary and that there's something for Sokka to return. Zhao didn't steal the Fire Nation documents... he BURNED them after getting what he wanted from them so that no one could duplicate his research, or know what he was going for. The ashes were still there when Team Avatar visited the place. So there really isn't anything for him to offer. And quite frankly Sokka couldn't care less about what some reclusive book bird thinks of him anyway.

Retreiving Sokka's sword. The loss of that blade saved his and Toph's life. The losses that a character endures are part of what goes into building that character. It's not really plausible that the blade would ever be found again. Although I've thought of a story when Sokka is finally reunited with his blade, when someone brings it to him when he's old and on his deathbed,... the last survivor of Team Avatar.

And why this creepiness with Aang and Azula? The whole point of season 2 and 3 was getting over the hangups on his past, and there's no reason to think that he had a Zuko-like fixation on his mother anyway. The only conceivable reason that Aang would every visit Azula again would be to remove her bending abilities just like he did to her father, as essentially she misused her bending the exact way he did, by dominating those around her with fear.

After learning the origins of the bending disciplines over 3 seasons, why the urge to call the stories including those given by the central characters themselves false mythologies? The Avatar is NOT a genetic lineage, it is a spirit that incarnates according to an elemental cycle. The Avatars otherwise have no famillial descent, and they wouldn't given that they are always from different nations.

Those are pretty much the major salient points.

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LazarX wrote:

Yellowdingo asked me for the basis of my critique of his "Book of Air".

I was sick for several weeks though so I didn't get the energy to to it until just now.

So I'll put up some points.

1st part. Zuko asking Aang to locate his mother. YD seems to forget it's Zuko who has the peoplehunting skills not Aang. There's not really much Aang could really do to help if Zuko can't hunt her down on his own. If he was going to ask ANYONE for help it'd be June and that scenting beast of hers.

The Fire Nation Library. YD seems to think that Zhao stole that work from the Owl spiritlibrary and that there's something for Sokka to return. Zhao didn't steal the Fire Nation documents... he BURNED them after getting what he wanted from them so that no one could duplicate his research, or know what he was going for. The ashes were still there when Team Avatar visited the place. So there really isn't anything for him to offer. And quite frankly Sokka couldn't care less about what some reclusive book bird thinks of him anyway.

Retreiving Sokka's sword. The loss of that blade saved his and Toph's life. The losses that a character endures are part of what goes into building that character. It's not really plausible that the blade would ever be found again. Although I've thought of a story when Sokka is finally reunited with his blade, when someone brings it to him when he's old and on his deathbed,... the last survivor of Team Avatar.

And why this creepiness with Aang and Azula? The whole point of season 2 and 3 was getting over the hangups on his past, and there's no reason to think that he had a Zuko-like fixation on his mother anyway. The only conceivable reason that Aang would every visit Azula again would be to remove her bending abilities just like he did to her father, as essentially she misused her bending the exact way he did, by dominating those around her with fear.

After learning the origins of the bending disciplines over 3 seasons, why the urge to call the stories including those given by...

Awesome you made the effort.

1. Aang can locate anyone at any distance. This became apparent in the Swamp episode when he discovers there is a connection between all living things that the avatar can see over. It is therefor plausible that Avatar Aang could use his ability to sense the location of Ursa anywhere in the world.
That said June is likely the better option because Aang only uses the ability once and could just as well have used it to sense where his flying bison vanished to.

2. The Fire nation records found in wan shi tong's library was indeed destroyed by Zhou. And it would be to the interest of Sokka to replace that loss with new books from the Fire Nation Archives held by the fire-nation Priest class.

3. Sokka's 'Space Sword' is a unique artefact. Something that would be of interest to wan-shi-tong.

4. What is creepy about Aang redeeming Azula? It is the noble and heroic thing to do. It is also in keeping with the historical origins of the Avatar: Au-at-ar is an indoeuropean root meaning 'one who travels to be whole'. To take a journey with Azula and seek to heal her is quite within the bounds of what Aang would do. Of course you probably think it is OK to have Azula shackled to the ground with chains for the rest of her life. The point is that Everything that is worlg in the setting stems from what went wrong with Zuko's family when he was a child. While it twisted Zuko, it Destroyed Azula. THus she is in more need of healing than Zuko. Fixing her fixes him.

5. Having done a head count of the number of Avatar Statues in the Air Temple - I estimate 360 Avatars before Aang. Average lifespan is 100-200 years each (150 average) = 54000 years from that first fully realized Avatar. That means that benders are descended from the first Avatar, the second, the third, the fourth...54,000 years where the Avatar has been the parent of Benders. Understand?

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