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KaeYoss wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kevida wrote:
Sorry about that Mr. Wertz! Geez, can't I do anything right?
Don't worry! We love you. :)
HEY! Where's my love? I want to be loved, too!
I think you just cost yourself a job at the hatecrime ministry or wherever you fascists work at in Cheliax.

"Fascists"? "Hatecrime ministry"? I don't know why people make this stuff up -- as a former Chelaxian you should know that such vile propaganda is utterly misrepresentative of our Glorious Empire, Almighty Asmodeus, House of Thrune and Beloved Majetrix! Besides, you're referring to your former post at the Ministry of Gentle Love & Discipline, are you not? Why would I want it? I'm blissfully happy and content in serving Mighty Cheliax as a humble infernal librarian.

I just need some rough dwarven love every now and then... don't we all?


I wonder if we will get multiple types of minis of the same race. For example, like a normal Fighter Goblin and a Goblin Shaman. Or a Hobgoblin (I know, technically different race, but they are similar).

And of course I am sure we will get the differing types of classes for each race eventually, but I meant for the first two sets.

Scarab Sages

Erik Mona wrote:
All of the goblins in this set are practical sculpts, and we have not shown any of those off yet. They look amazing, though.

Any goblin pyros? :)


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DragonBelow wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
All of the goblins in this set are practical sculpts, and we have not shown any of those off yet. They look amazing, though.
Any goblin pyros? :)

Isn't that a little redundant?

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Quality looks great and I don't mind random, but not at that price. $1-2 for small-medium and $4-8 for large is about my max. As it is, you're charging more for random minis than Games Workshop charges for multi-piece, posable (albeit unpainted) plastics. That's not the side of that equation you want to be on.


I wanted to pre-order a case of Heroes and Monsters at Paizo.com days ago, but my local game shop says I can order a case from them and still be able to get the black dragon. I support my local shop whenever possible (they carry all the PF products), but I'm afraid I might miss out on the dragon opportunity and the chance to get a whole mini's set by pre-ordering a case at Paizo. Is it true? Can I pre-order a case at my local store and still be sure to get a factory sealed case and a black dragon?

Sczarni

Brokenfoot wrote:
I wanted to pre-order a case of Heroes and Monsters at Paizo.com days ago, but my local game shop says I can order a case from them and still be able to get the black dragon. I support my local shop whenever possible (they carry all the PF products), but I'm afraid I might miss out on the dragon opportunity and the chance to get a whole mini's set by pre-ordering a case at Paizo. Is it true? Can I pre-order a case at my local store and still be sure to get a factory sealed case and a black dragon?

Most distributers will give factory sealed cases if the store orders enough for a full case. This is easier on shipping because they don't need to count them. As for the Dragon, this SHOULD be true, but paizo doesn't even know what the promotion for the dragon is yet, so we can't say for sure.


I fully support Paizo's venture into the realm of plasticrack, and have pre-ordered 2 cases.
Can't frickin wait!

Grand Lodge

tribeof1 wrote:
Quality looks great and I don't mind random, but not at that price. $1-2 for small-medium and $4-8 for large is about my max. As it is, you're charging more for random minis than Games Workshop charges for multi-piece, posable (albeit unpainted) plastics. That's not the side of that equation you want to be on.

Hand painted especially well done hand painted miniatures is costly. Factor in the current exchange rate of the US Dollar versus the Chinese Yuan and you are looking at prices higher than in recent memory. When you look at the case price where every miniature will cost under $3.00 each, then you have an acceptable price point considering today's difficult economic climate.

Now if Wizkids/Paizo find themselves sitting on alot of unsold cases, then you may be right about being on the wrong side of the equation. I sincerely hope you are not only wrong, but bad wrong. For if you are right, then this could be the only Pathfinder set you will see. Personally I hope Wizkids/Paizo make a nice tidy profit on this set and every set they venture to make. I have nothing but joy about this announcement, and wish both Wizkids and Paizo great success.

Later,

Mazra

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Brokenfoot wrote:
I wanted to pre-order a case of Heroes and Monsters at Paizo.com days ago, but my local game shop says I can order a case from them and still be able to get the black dragon. I support my local shop whenever possible (they carry all the PF products), but I'm afraid I might miss out on the dragon opportunity and the chance to get a whole mini's set by pre-ordering a case at Paizo. Is it true? Can I pre-order a case at my local store and still be sure to get a factory sealed case and a black dragon?
Most distributers will give factory sealed cases if the store orders enough for a full case. This is easier on shipping because they don't need to count them. As for the Dragon, this SHOULD be true, but paizo doesn't even know what the promotion for the dragon is yet, so we can't say for sure.

The way WizKids' case incentives (like the black dragon) work is generally this: for every case that each retailer orders, they may also order one case incentive. For this set, that means they can buy one black dragon for every case of Heroes & Monsters they preorder from their distributor. The retailer may then do *whatever they want* with the dragon. They can bundle it in with the case, they can sell it alongside the case, they can sell it separately—it's totally up to them. So if your retailer says they'll offer you the black dragon, I'd believe them. (You may want to clarify whether that means they'll give it to you or sell it to you, though.)

As Erik mentioned, we hope to nail down our own plan regarding the Black Dragon soon... maybe even this week.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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tribeof1 wrote:
Quality looks great and I don't mind random, but not at that price. $1-2 for small-medium and $4-8 for large is about my max. As it is, you're charging more for random minis than Games Workshop charges for multi-piece, posable (albeit unpainted) plastics. That's not the side of that equation you want to be on.

We already had this discussion; you may want to check out posts like this one, as well as it's neighbors.

Personally, I'm pretty well satisfied with exactly which side of the equation we're on, as I think many people value "painted" a lot more than you might.


I apologize if this has been answered already, but if you preorder two cases, do you have the opportunity to buy two black dragons, or is it only one per person?


Hobbun wrote:
I apologize if this has been answered already, but if you preorder two cases, do you have the opportunity to buy two black dragons, or is it only one per person?

One per case.


Resistance...weakening...

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bugleyman wrote:
Resistance...weakening...

Where you not against the idea of random mins?

At least wait until you know what is in the set before breaking down and getting it since your first thought was not to in the beginning.


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bugleyman wrote:
Resistance...weakening...

Pssst... c'mon kid.

You can always quit after one...

Liberty's Edge

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Dragnmoon wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Resistance...weakening...

Where you not against the idea of random mins?

At least wait until you know what is in the set before breaking down and getting it since your first thought was not to in the beginning.

If you get a case though in a way its not random if you get a complete set....that is the way I am looking at it at least.


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thenorthman wrote:
If you get a case though in a way its not random if you get a complete set....that is the way I am looking at it at least.

Also, given the comments by various Paizo employees regarding the makeup of the commons vs the rarer figures, the unit price is attractive if you trust that the repeats you get are going to actually be useful.

Less than $3 a mini is a pretty good deal if the duplicates I get are generally usable - that price is not so great if I'm going to end up with one orc berserker and half a dozen dire unicorns.


Dragnmoon wrote:

Where you not against the idea of random mins?

At least wait until you know what is in the set before breaking down and getting it since your first thought was not to in the beginning.

Nope, no problem with random here. I just:

1. Have a metric ton of D&D minis; and
2. Am concerned about durability based on my (very limited) experience with Mage Knight.

But they sure are purty...


Power Word Unzip wrote:
I do have one request: if you do develop a separate miniatures game to accompany the product and boost collectibility, please make it less complex than the D&D Miniatures game was. Give us everything we need to play a given piece, beyond the basic "warband" construction, order of play, movement, and combat rules, on the stat card for that mini. To this day, the main reason I don't bother trying to get folks interested in playing DDM is that the rule...

Absolutely agree. Even though I didn't mind the rule book, the stat card should have all the info needed to play.

Regards,

Kosta


Anguish wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
I apologize if this has been answered already, but if you preorder two cases, do you have the opportunity to buy two black dragons, or is it only one per person?
One per case.

Ok, so you aren't limited to one black dragon then, even if you buy more than one case.

Thanks.

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Sorry for the repost but for some reason I cannot quote / reply to my previous post.

"One suggestion that I would make is to consider adding one of those "clicky bases" to each mini indicating the PFRPG combat condition. Shouldn't be a big deal for Wizkids right?? I'd even buy packs of blank click bases to mount my painted character and other minis on just for game play. Just an idea . . . "

Stewart Perkins replied that it might not be possible due to the 1" size of the base.

Really? Would this be impossible? A combat condition clicky base seems like a cool product feature to me.


edmud wrote:

Sorry for the repost but for some reason I cannot quote / reply to my previous post.

"One suggestion that I would make is to consider adding one of those "clicky bases" to each mini indicating the PFRPG combat condition. Shouldn't be a big deal for Wizkids right?? I'd even buy packs of blank click bases to mount my painted character and other minis on just for game play. Just an idea . . . "

Stewart Perkins replied that it might not be possible due to the 1" size of the base.

Really? Would this be impossible? A combat condition clicky base seems like a cool product feature to me.

The reason being is the 1” size just isn’t big enough to contain the information that is needed. The text would be miniscule to accommodate the different conditions. Nevermind the fact the window on the top base would be so tiny (due to the smaller base) and they wouldn’t be able to get any worthwhile info in that space.

It’s a cool idea, but just not realistic with a 1” base, which is why you see the MageKnight bases are larger. And I would rather keep the 1” base as anything larger (for medium creatures) would make it more difficult in using the 1” squares.


Hobbun wrote:
edmud wrote:

Sorry for the repost but for some reason I cannot quote / reply to my previous post.

"One suggestion that I would make is to consider adding one of those "clicky bases" to each mini indicating the PFRPG combat condition. Shouldn't be a big deal for Wizkids right?? I'd even buy packs of blank click bases to mount my painted character and other minis on just for game play. Just an idea . . . "

Stewart Perkins replied that it might not be possible due to the 1" size of the base.

Really? Would this be impossible? A combat condition clicky base seems like a cool product feature to me.

The reason being is the 1” size just isn’t big enough to contain the information that is needed. The text would be miniscule to accommodate the different conditions. Nevermind the fact the window on the top base would be so tiny (due to the smaller base) and they wouldn’t be able to get any worthwhile info in that space.

It’s a cool idea, but just not realistic with a 1” base, which is why you see the MageKnight bases are larger. And I would rather keep the 1” base as anything larger (for medium creatures) would make it more difficult in using the 1” squares.

I too think it would be a cool idea, but as I said realisticly not possible. As Hobbun mentioned to keep them at the proper base size would make the detail and very small, which makes them not only hard to read but harder to produce (As the details get more small and intricate the cost increases). Not to mention that as base space dwindles to make room for the clicky aspect the mini itself has less room to stand which also eliminates many pose varieties and constrains your minis to a certain amount of space. My example here is the Ezran master sculpt. He is dynamicly posed and has his feet clearly near the two edges of the base. If he were a click his legs couldn't be that spread to make room for the click aspect and he would have to be more standing straight up, or smaller. More options are better than less options here.

Grand Lodge

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

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bugleyman wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

Where you not against the idea of random mins?

At least wait until you know what is in the set before breaking down and getting it since your first thought was not to in the beginning.

Nope, no problem with random here. I just:

1. Have a metric ton of D&D minis; and
2. Am concerned about durability based on my (very limited) experience with Mage Knight.

But they sure are purty...

I understand the metric ton bit (but again I have godkids I can give 'em to once I get 'em hooked)

I can say my newer clix minis are rather durable, including the clear plastic ones.


Jeff Cope wrote:

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

Well, at least we have a date (we need to preorder by).

However, it would be nice to get a price on the black dragon.

On another note, did the black dragon sculpt have a base with it when it was displayed at the Paizo booth at Gen Con?

I have noticed in the digital picture (online), that the base for the dragon seems to be notched, is that how it’s going to be designed? I hope not, I prefer the smooth base.


Asgetrion wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kevida wrote:
Sorry about that Mr. Wertz! Geez, can't I do anything right?
Don't worry! We love you. :)
HEY! Where's my love? I want to be loved, too!
I think you just cost yourself a job at the hatecrime ministry or wherever you fascists work at in Cheliax.

"Fascists"? "Hatecrime ministry"? I don't know why people make this stuff up -- as a former Chelaxian you should know that such vile propaganda is utterly misrepresentative of our Glorious Empire, Almighty Asmodeus, House of Thrune and Beloved Majetrix! Besides, you're referring to your former post at the Ministry of Gentle Love & Discipline, are you not? Why would I want it? I'm blissfully happy and content in serving Mighty Cheliax as a humble infernal librarian.

I just need some rough dwarven love every now and then... don't we all?

I was never a Chelaxian. I played you all for chums. And it was awesome.

I'm in publishing now, did you know that? I got all these lie-free history books you guys confiscated to replace with your devil fairy tales, and now I'm printing them en masse and switching them for your stuff.

My versions really are better, though: Not only are they free of the lies you guys have the hots for, if you take of the book's jacket, the actual cover is a photo of your queen in smallclothes. And the back cover is her without the unmentionables.

Grand Lodge

Hobbun wrote:


However, it would be nice to get a price on the black dragon.

The way it's being offered, it will be up to each individual retailer to set his/her own price.

However, if you order a case...you should, I would think, get one.


Jeff Cope wrote:
Hobbun wrote:


However, it would be nice to get a price on the black dragon.

The way it's being offered, it will be up to each individual retailer to set his/her own price.

However, if you order a case...you should, I would think, get one.

Well, I preordered from Paizo. So if anyone can answer here on price, they can (due to being their forum). So I am not worried about getting one, as they assured you of one if you preordered through them.

Besides, even though the dragon has some exclusiveness to it (only when ordering a case), I am guessing there will still be an MSRP associated with it.

Grand Lodge

Hobbun wrote:


Besides, even though the dragon has some exclusiveness to it (only when ordering a case), I am guessing there will still be an MSRP associated with it.

If Wizkids runs it the way they have with similar Heroclix promotions, no, there isn't an MSRP.

With Heroclix they've had a "Buy it by the Brick" program wherein if you bought a brick (generally 10 boosters, shrink wrapped together) you would receive the promotional figure for free.

The Black Dragon seems to be a similar promotion, only with a case and not a brick. Sadly (as I don't see being able to afford a case).

I'm not trying to argue, just pointing out how Wizkids has done this in the past. Remember, this is a Wizkids product, not Paizo.


Hobbun wrote:
Jeff Cope wrote:

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

Well, at least we have a date (we need to preorder by).

However, it would be nice to get a price on the black dragon.

On another note, did the black dragon sculpt have a base with it when it was displayed at the Paizo booth at Gen Con?

I have noticed in the digital picture (online), that the base for the dragon seems to be notched, is that how it’s going to be designed? I hope not, I prefer the smooth base.

These minis were not displayed at Gen Con. They had a video playing with the images at the Wizkids booth. They only had the minis of the 4 iconics at Gen Con (and they looked more amasing than the online pictures).

Dark Archive

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Caineach wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
Jeff Cope wrote:

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

Well, at least we have a date (we need to preorder by).

However, it would be nice to get a price on the black dragon.

On another note, did the black dragon sculpt have a base with it when it was displayed at the Paizo booth at Gen Con?

I have noticed in the digital picture (online), that the base for the dragon seems to be notched, is that how it’s going to be designed? I hope not, I prefer the smooth base.

These minis were not displayed at Gen Con. They had a video playing with the images at the Wizkids booth. They only had the minis of the 4 iconics at Gen Con (and they looked more amasing than the online pictures).

Actually there was the dragon master sculpt, see here

Hobburn: as per the above link, the Gencon model was baseless.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Hobbun wrote:
Jeff Cope wrote:

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

Well, at least we have a date (we need to preorder by).

Not quite—October 12 is the date by which *retailers* need to place their orders from distributors to get the black dragon. As I said upthread, once retailers have their black dragons, they can do whatever they'd like with them, and they'll be able to do whatever that may be on their own schedules.

Hobbun wrote:

On another note, did the black dragon sculpt have a base with it when it was displayed at the Paizo booth at Gen Con?

I have noticed in the digital picture (online), that the base for the dragon seems to be notched, is that how it’s going to be designed? I hope not, I prefer the smooth base.

The version we had at the booth did not have a base. I believe the base will be a standard round base.

Sczarni

Caineach wrote:
These minis were not displayed at Gen Con. They had a video playing with the images at the Wizkids booth. They only had the minis of the 4 iconics at Gen Con (and they looked more amasing than the online pictures).

Not quite true. there was a #d printout sculpt of the black dragon on display at the paizo booth Saturday. I just checked my photo, the black as displayed didn't have a base. See Here

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So when are we going to get a few more images?


Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Caineach wrote:
These minis were not displayed at Gen Con. They had a video playing with the images at the Wizkids booth. They only had the minis of the 4 iconics at Gen Con (and they looked more amasing than the online pictures).
Not quite true. there was a #d printout sculpt of the black dragon on display at the paizo booth Saturday. I just checked my photo, the black as displayed didn't have a base. See Here

Ok, I really want to know with how much time I spent at those booths how I missed it.

Sczarni

Caineach wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Caineach wrote:
These minis were not displayed at Gen Con. They had a video playing with the images at the Wizkids booth. They only had the minis of the 4 iconics at Gen Con (and they looked more amasing than the online pictures).
Not quite true. there was a #d printout sculpt of the black dragon on display at the paizo booth Saturday. I just checked my photo, the black as displayed didn't have a base. See Here
Ok, I really want to know with how much time I spent at those booths how I missed it.

In the paizo case, where the 4 beginner box minis were, it was places on top of the clear plastic case they were in.

Grand Lodge

Congrats on getting this line going! I love having mini's for my games. When will we see a list of what mini's are in the line? This is a big factor to me in ordering a case. The black dragon looks awesome and the likelihood of getting a complete set by ordering the case is reassuring as well, but I can't pull the trigger till I see what is being offered in this line up. I am hoping for sooner tan later. Whiz Kids I know I can't be the only one waiting to see the final line up. I am also looking forward to the adventure packs and any news on those would be great as well. As a side note if a mini game is done with these please use the idea mentioned previously in this thread for the game cards being a separate product outside of the minis themselves. It is a great idea for those that want a mini combat game, but keeps the impact on the mini's to a minimum.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Ok, I really want to know with how much time I spent at those booths how I missed it.
In the paizo case, where the 4 beginner box minis were, it was places on top of the clear plastic case they were in.

It also didn't arrive until (I think) Friday afternoon.


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Vic Wertz wrote:
I think many people value "painted" a lot more than you might.

For me, it's all about the painted. If these things were pre-painted metal, I'd probably still get them. If they were un-painted plastic, I wouldn't.

I have literally pounds (and figuratively tons) of metal minis still unpainted. I don't really get around to paint them.

So I stopped getting the PF minis from Reaper. But if someone does the work for me, and does a decent job, I'll happily buy more.


Konstantin Dika wrote:
Even though I didn't mind the rule book, the stat card should have all the info needed to play.

That's totally not Paizo, though. Look at the PFRPG. They don't repeat the info about rend, or grab, or constrict, or a ton of other things in each stat block. And even 3e, who did repeat some of that, never explained each skill and feat and spell in the stat block.

You simply can't have a stat card that contains all the info needed to play, because "everything" would mean that common things like attack bonuses, HP, and the like would have to be explained every single time.

So you already need a rulebook to explain how you resolve an attack, and a lot of other basic stuff, so you might as well put a number of common and generic special abilities in there, so you won't have stat cards that are as big as the rulebooks.

I do agree that it should be as easy and straightforward as possible (but without dumbing the game down) and that the space on the card might as well be used. Have a good balance.


edmud wrote:


Stewart Perkins replied that it might not be possible due to the 1" size of the base.

Really? Would this be impossible? A combat condition clicky base seems like a cool product feature to me.

Those they use for MageKnight and the like are a good deal bigger than 1". Unless they can get them small enough to make the miniature fit its square without rendering the thing useless due to small size, it won't happen.


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KaeYoss wrote:


Yes, they exist. Nobody refutes that. However, their pace is glacial. There are less than 40 different Legendary Encounters figures, and they've been at it for years.

http://rpggeek.com/thread/681781/wizkids-announces-line-of-pre-painted-rand omized-p/page/2

29 different figures available .

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Catprog wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:


Yes, they exist. Nobody refutes that. However, their pace is glacial. There are less than 40 different Legendary Encounters figures, and they've been at it for years.

http://rpggeek.com/thread/681781/wizkids-announces-line-of-pre-painted-rand omized-p/page/2

29 different figures available .

We offer the full Legendary Encounters line right here on paizo.com as well.

I hadn't seen that RPG Geek thread before. I was amused by the fellow who argues that we're wrong about the statement in the press release that explains how it's difficult for retailers to stock a large assortment of individually packaged minis. He says:

guy over there wrote:
They're flat out wrong about all this. Reaper gave my flgs a beautiful display racks worth of the Asylum pre-paints and they put them right there, right in the front of their store with what's left of their D&D4e stock. (and this is the most D&D lovin store i've ever been in, but they see what goin' down with 4e)

...and then he says something that actually demonstrates our point:

guy over there wrote:
The rack is almost empty now. i hope they re-up it.


Jeff Cope wrote:
Hobbun wrote:


Besides, even though the dragon has some exclusiveness to it (only when ordering a case), I am guessing there will still be an MSRP associated with it.

If Wizkids runs it the way they have with similar Heroclix promotions, no, there isn't an MSRP.

With Heroclix they've had a "Buy it by the Brick" program wherein if you bought a brick (generally 10 boosters, shrink wrapped together) you would receive the promotional figure for free.

The Black Dragon seems to be a similar promotion, only with a case and not a brick. Sadly (as I don't see being able to afford a case).

I'm not trying to argue, just pointing out how Wizkids has done this in the past. Remember, this is a Wizkids product, not Paizo.

Oh, I know you aren't trying to argue, thanks for the info. :)

Interesting, even though it is a promotional deal, I would have figured there would still be a MSRP for the dragon, so you don't have a store selling one for $49.99 and one for $99.99. But then I was not aware how WizKids had handled previous promotions.

Vic Wertz wrote:
I believe the base will be a standard round base.

Ok, thanks Vic!

Sczarni

I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration when filling preorders .

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration preorders.

Now, what did those folks earlier in the thread say about poor business model and "nobody's gonna every buy this?" ;-)


Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration when filling preorders .

Well that’s great to hear (on the anticipated sales)!

I should have asked this earlier, but Vic (or anyone from Paizo), you indicated October 12th is the cut-off date for retailers to place their orders from the distributors to get the black dragon. However, what is Paizo’s cut-off date for us to preorder from you and still get the dragon?

Grand Lodge

Gorbacz wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration preorders.
Now, what did those folks earlier in the thread say about poor business model and "nobody's gonna every buy this?" ;-)

Good one, Gorbacz! I don't know how many cases Wizkids/Paizo are printing, but this has the potential of being hotter than a fire cracker. One case is a definite for me for my PF campaign, but I may consider another case as a collector.

Later,

Mazra

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