@ Justin Franklin,
You were right about Irrisen ;)
But let's riddle this over a little bit folks...
Paizo has said that they're going to release (3) Hardcovers a year.
And we know what they are....
1.) ARG
2.) Bestiary 3
3.) Rise of the Runelords Hardback (revised)But the big announcement is on Saturday (per Vic Wertz). And it's not the miniatures.
So what is it?
I'm still betting on Mythic System. With a 2013 Hardcover release, and a public playtest next year.
It could be an Tia Xian Hardcover, but somehow.. I don't think so.
Well I would assume there will still be two hardcovers in the rulebook line for 2012. One of which won't be announced until PaizoCon 2012 (usually a Bestiary, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a big book of NPCs). So what is the GenCon 2012 hardcover is the question?
ARG?
So what is the GenCon 2012 hardcover is the question?
No, I think the Saturday announcement will pertaining to 2013. That's the question (which I gave my best guess).
I'd bet money we already know the 2012 line-up (ARG, B3, and Runelords Revised).
So what is the GenCon 2012 hardcover is the question?No, I think the Saturday announcement will pertaining to 2013. That's the question (which I gave my best guess).
I'd bet money we already know the 2012 line-up (ARG, B3, and Runelords Revised).
B3 is coming out this year. And we get at least 3 books a year in the roleplaying game line, which Runelords won't be. So that means we only know one book for next year.
B3 is coming out this year. And we get at least 3 books a year in the roleplaying game line, which Runelords won't be. So that means we only know one book for next year.
Touche on B3 (I could have sworn that was early 2012), but I'm not convinced that Runelords won't count towards 3 hardcovers.
B3 is coming out this year. And we get at least 3 books a year in the roleplaying game line, which Runelords won't be. So that means we only know one book for next year.Touche on B3, but I'm not convinced that Runelords won't count towards 3 hardcovers.
I would assume it is either in the campaign setting or some unknown line and won't count towards the roleplaying line in the same way the Inner Sea World Guide didn't.
I would assume it is either in the campaign setting or some unknown line and won't count towards the roleplaying line in the same way the Inner Sea World Guide didn't.
Could be, but now I'm sad.
::SHAKES FIST AT JUSTIN'S LOGIC::
Could be, but now I'm sad.I would assume it is either in the campaign setting or some unknown line and won't count towards the roleplaying line in the same way the Inner Sea World Guide didn't.
But it does mean we have the announcement for another book on Saturday!!
I'd bet money we already know the 2012 line-up (ARG, B3, and Runelords Revised).B3 is coming out this year. And we get at least 3 books a year in the roleplaying game line, which Runelords won't be. So that means we only know one book for next year.
I think we can pencil in B4, and concentrate on wondering what's the third.
@ Justin Franklin,
You were right about Irrisen ;)
But let's riddle this over a little bit folks...
Paizo has said that they're going to release (3) Hardcovers a year.
And we know what they are....
1.) ARG
2.) Bestiary 3
3.) Rise of the Runelords Hardback (revised)But the big announcement is on Saturday (per Vic Wertz). And it's not the miniatures.
So what is it?
I'm still betting on Mythic System. With a 2013 Hardcover release, and a public playtest next year.
It could be an Tia Xian Hardcover, but somehow.. I don't think so.
You're not entirely correct. Beastiary 3 is the third (and final) hardcover for this year, 2011, as it is released in November. As of right now, we know the Advanced Race Guide is 100% confirmed for April 2012. The Rise of the Runelords Hardback hasn't been completely confirmed yet (to the best of my knowledge), but even if it had been, the "3 a year" hardback rule typically applies to the Pathfinder Core Rule line and not to the actual campaign setting's line.
In short, I think we still have a few more things to see from Paizo :-).
You're not entirely correct. Beastiary 3 is the third (and final) hardcover for this year, 2011, as it is released in November. As of right now, we know the Advanced Race Guide is 100% confirmed for April 2012. The Rise of the Runelords Hardback hasn't been completely confirmed yet (to the best of my knowledge), but even if it had been, the "3 a year" hardback rule typically applies to the Pathfinder Core Rule line and not to the actual campaign setting's line.
In short, I think we still have a few more things to see from Paizo :-).
Justin beat you to it. :P
I'm just excited at the prospect of Mythic Rule is all. It probably won't be announced on Saturday, but it's fun to imagine until we know for sure.
I'm a customer/subscriber too. :)
You're not entirely correct. Beastiary 3 is the third (and final) hardcover for this year, 2011, as it is released in November. As of right now, we know the Advanced Race Guide is 100% confirmed for April 2012. The Rise of the Runelords Hardback hasn't been completely confirmed yet (to the best of my knowledge), but even if it had been, the "3 a year" hardback rule typically applies to the Pathfinder Core Rule line and not to the actual campaign setting's line.
In short, I think we still have a few more things to see from Paizo :-).
Justin beat you to it. :P
I'm just excited at the prospect of Mythic Rule is all. It probably won't be announced on Saturday, but it's fun to imagine until we know for sure.
I'm a customer/subscriber too. :)
I would love it if they announced the Mythic rules were coming out in 2012, however I expect that they won't, but it would be really cool if they did. Especially if they announced it was coming out at GenCon 2013 and there will be a huge alpha, and beta playtest.
Not "Advanced Levels Guide"?
or "Ultimate Leveling"?
You're not entirely correct. Beastiary 3 is the third (and final) hardcover for this year, 2011, as it is released in November. As of right now, we know the Advanced Race Guide is 100% confirmed for April 2012. The Rise of the Runelords Hardback hasn't been completely confirmed yet (to the best of my knowledge), but even if it had been, the "3 a year" hardback rule typically applies to the Pathfinder Core Rule line and not to the actual campaign setting's line.
In short, I think we still have a few more things to see from Paizo :-).
Justin beat you to it. :P
I'm just excited at the prospect of Mythic Rule is all. It probably won't be announced on Saturday, but it's fun to imagine until we know for sure.
I'm a customer/subscriber too. :)
I would still bet on Mythic rules being the 3rd hardcover for 2012. There has been more talk of it on the forums and by J. Jacobs, even if it is in the abstract. People have been asking for it for a while. The devs have been playing in high level games to get a better idea of how they work. It seems to me to be the next organic evolution of that game so far. We have already covered gamemaster stuff, players stuff, magic stuff, combat stuff, Race stuff is on the block already.
I am really curious as to how they are going to structure it. 9th level spells are really frickin crazy powerful, and capstone features are pretty awesome as well. How you structure that kind of game without it imploding on a nightly session basis is a delicious question.
There is also the question of what the player opposition is? I wonder if they will take a page from Deathwatch and create whole army-swarms as single creatures. Will all the PCs be candidates for being demi-gods or will they just be uber powerful mortals who are just living legends? what is the role of a 20+ level character in the average campaign setting? So many questions ....
To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to explore, which also means 10 levels to populate with monsters and whatnot. You can't just shove enough monsters for mythic level to be interesting into the Mythic Handbook; there would need to be a Pathfinder Mythic Bestiary as well.
To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to explore, which also means 10 levels to populate with monsters and whatnot. You can't just shove enough monsters for mythic level to be interesting into the Mythic Handbook; there would need to be a Pathfinder Mythic Bestiary as well.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. It absolutely will need support, and they've said as much quite clearly.
But the 2013 schedule might have some latitude. And I'm thinking they're going to need a significantly longer playtest period for it, like with the original Beta Rules. That's why, I think Summer 2012 might be a good time for that, aiming for some 2013 released. I don't know. It's above my pay grade.
There is the Chronicles/campaign line, which in a couple years might be looking for new topics to address.
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To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to explore, which also means 10 levels to populate with monsters and whatnot. You can't just shove enough monsters for mythic level to be interesting into the Mythic Handbook; there would need to be a Pathfinder Mythic Bestiary as well.
That was the problem with the 3.0/3.5 Epic level books. A single book with a handful of opponents and no adventure support just doesn't make it. I was in a high level campaign that attempted to make the transition to Epic levels, but it frankly became too much work. Defining Epic level opponents is a full time job and that leaves no time for working on adventures.
I am guessing if they do make a Mythic Adventures book, it will not only include rules for advancing past level 20, but what challenges Mythic characters face. J.Jacobs has already outlined some possibilities such as taking on demon lords, or facing off against demi-gods. I am guessing that there will be some aspects to simplify the running of a high level game as well. I can imagine full attacks getting some abstraction added to them, so that you are not rolling 8+ attacks in one round.
In the end it will all depend on how they decide to go about modeling the lives of character who are equivalent to Gilgamesh or Odysseus or the myriad characters from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, people who are so powerful/influential the normal rules fail to capture their "mythic qualities". What happens when Spellcasters start being able to grant spells to their followers? What happens to a fighter who becomes the general of a army? What happens to bard that becomes a living legend? Does the legend gain a reality of its own? These are the questions I hope that a Mythic Adventures book answers.
To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to explore
Er, says who? Just because 4e has ten levels past 20 doesn't mean Pathfinder's high-level stuff has to go past 25, or on the other hand stop before 36.
My guess is a series of mythic books, A mythic core rule book, and maybe an Advanced mythic guide. The Core book will cover all the basics of mythic and the advanced book will expand upon what the core has. As well as have some GMG style explanations of mythic adventuring and what not.
To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to exploreEr, says who? Just because 4e has ten levels past 20 doesn't mean Pathfinder's high-level stuff has to go past 25, or on the other hand stop before 36.
Says legacy. 3.5 also had 10 levels. If Pathfinder has a new system, well that's all well and dandy, but the fact remains that as far as you go, you need to build challenges that reach that high and placing monsters AND player options in the same book can be a little sticky when the players are bugging to check their abilities while the GM needs the book to actually run the game.
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Says legacy. 3.5 also had 10 levels. If Pathfinder has a new system, well that's all well and dandy, but the fact remains that as far as you go, you need to build challenges that reach that high and placing monsters AND player options in the same book can be a little sticky when the players are bugging to check their abilities while the GM needs the book to actually run the game.To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to exploreEr, says who? Just because 4e has ten levels past 20 doesn't mean Pathfinder's high-level stuff has to go past 25, or on the other hand stop before 36.
Actually 3.5 had an infinite number of additional levels - the system was open. Going to 36 is actually legacy, as that is where 1st ed (I think) end off
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Actually 3.5 had an infinite number of additional levels - the system was open. Going to 36 is actually legacy, as that is where 1st ed (I think) end offSays legacy. 3.5 also had 10 levels. If Pathfinder has a new system, well that's all well and dandy, but the fact remains that as far as you go, you need to build challenges that reach that high and placing monsters AND player options in the same book can be a little sticky when the players are bugging to check their abilities while the GM needs the book to actually run the game.To be honest, I don't think you can release just ONE book on Mythic adventures and call it a day. I mean, after all, there are 10 levels to exploreEr, says who? Just because 4e has ten levels past 20 doesn't mean Pathfinder's high-level stuff has to go past 25, or on the other hand stop before 36.
OD&D. Rules Cyclopedia D&D. BECM D&D (note: I left off the I there on purpose.)
There is the Chronicles/campaign line, which in a couple years might be looking for new topics to address.Considering that's where most of the material for Southern Garund, Tian Xia, Casmaron, Arcadia and Sarusan will be published I don't think there is a shortage of topics to address in that line.
In terms of geographical locations you're quite right.
But I'm going to pass on elaborating on the comment further.
You sir, are a merciless TEASE! :D
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There is the Chronicles/campaign line, which in a couple years might be looking for new topics to address.Considering that's where most of the material for Southern Garund, Tian Xia, Casmaron, Arcadia and Sarusan will be published I don't think there is a shortage of topics to address in that line.In terms of geographical locations you're quite right.
But I'm going to pass on elaborating on the comment further.
Casmaron and Sarusan, yes please!
And you'd better start spilling the beans, Jim, or I shall place the dreaded 'Curse of the Fiendishly Soiled Pants' on you! ;)
Well we can take the Runelords Anniversary book out of speculation threads as it has just been announced
A note to those speculating, the event tomorrow is titled "2012: The Future of Paizo and the Pathfinder RPG"
Does Paizo actually need to plan beyond 2012? ;P
So d20pfsrd tweeted a little while ago this morning that Ultimate Equipment was announced, but didn't provide a link or anything... Anybody got a confirm on that?
"Ultimate equipment #paizo #announcements #GenCon #pathfinder"
You sir, are a merciless TEASE! :D
No, no, no, no...
Seriously. I have no special information at this time. None.
I was responding to troubled child's remark about never running out of Chronicles material. And they're right, in terms of campaign geography. There's tons to cover. But we have seen misfits, (2) undead books, many themed books, many classic books, now a dedicated giants book.
I could see redirecting some of the energy into Mythic campaign material however. Or Asian material if there is sufficient sales.
If I was cautious it's only because it sucks when the Creative Director shows up and says you're completely wrong. Which I could be.
I'm just saying a lot of topic bases are getting covered nicely now. But yeah, there is a lot of world geography untouched too.
Does anybody know what happened at the "Future of Paizo" seminar?
Not yet, damn them. I'm sitting here trying to write and the suspense is killing me.
Does anybody know what happened at the "Future of Paizo" seminar?Not yet, damn them. I'm sitting here trying to write and the suspense is killing me.
I saw a mention of Ultimate Equipment.
I saw a mention of Ultimate Equipment.
Well...
... there is no earthquake on the internet...
Back to work.
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No, but they announced non-random minis and "an initiative to return players of all D&D edition back to WotC".
Sounds scary.
Smart move - if the quality is there (which I doubt) as a DM I would buy into that vs. their old random format. It's just more DM friendly.
I would love to see some specialized sets of Orcs, Troll, etc. Also would be nice if they released the missing Green Dragon from the set of chromatics. A nice thing would be specific themed sets - Dungeon Vermin, Oozes, Humanoids.
Have to wait and see.
No, but they announced non-random minis and "an initiative to return players of all D&D edition back to WotC".
Sounds scary.
Smart move - if the quality is there (which I doubt) as a DM I would buy into that vs. their old random format. It's just more DM friendly.
I would love to see some specialized sets of Orcs, Troll, etc. Also would be nice if they released the missing Green Dragon from the set of chromatics. A nice thing would be specific themed sets - Dungeon Vermin, Oozes, Humanoids.
Have to wait and see.
They actually are going to be doing "themed packs," according to this blogger. (Scroll down to 11:50 for the minis announcement.)
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Thanks Joana
11:51: Next year they’re going to release non-collectible miniatures in themes (drow, goblins) in sets of 12, including some large.
This is some good news for DMs, hopefully they won't screw up the execution.
Having a set of 12 pre-painted goblins with maybe 3-4 different poses + a leader in a set would be an invaluable tool for refs.
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Does anybody know what happened at the "Future of Paizo" seminar?Not yet, damn them. I'm sitting here trying to write and the suspense is killing me.
I think it will be an expanded version of the seminar at Ropecon (which lasted roughly an hour or so). Erik talked about minis, APs, ARG, Dragon Empires, Bestiary 3 and adventures; Ultimate Equipment was also mentioned, and I *think* it's supposed to contain not just items, but new mounts, henchmen and familiars as well (sort of like a PF version of the upcoming Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium, only without any magic items -- however, I'm not 100% sure, because I was pretty tired at that point).
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Hey Paizo, how about a press release after major announcements so that we do not have to go searching for details on the forums?
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Thanks Joana
11:51: Next year they’re going to release non-collectible miniatures in themes (drow, goblins) in sets of 12, including some large.This is some good news for DMs, hopefully they won't screw up the execution.
Having a set of 12 pre-painted goblins with maybe 3-4 different poses + a leader in a set would be an invaluable tool for refs.
Oh yes; a couple of years ago I ran a battle with 60+ orcs of different types, and I would have needed minis for shamans, archers, brutes, veterans, basic grunts, and commanders/heroes. This sort of product line would be truly helpful for situations like that.
Thanks Joana
11:51: Next year they’re going to release non-collectible miniatures in themes (drow, goblins) in sets of 12, including some large.This is some good news for DMs, hopefully they won't screw up the execution.
Having a set of 12 pre-painted goblins with maybe 3-4 different poses + a leader in a set would be an invaluable tool for refs.
Before DDM got canceled, ebay was your friend for finding "LOTS of 10" of a particular mini. (goblins/wolves/zombies/etc.) Now pretty much everything sells for a minimum of $1.50 each with $2-$3 shipping to start regardless of size, it's not buyer friendly anymore. At one point I lucked out and got a lot of 5 Dragonblade Ninjas for $5... now you get 1. :/
Reaper's "Legendary Encounters" pre-paints are a major step in the right direction, particularly their kobolds and goblins ($5 apprx. = 3 minis), I've been bolstering my ranks with them. However some of them are ugly (the orcs) and a few of the singles seem a bit overpriced to me for a non-collectible. (gnolls/bugbears/werewolf)
Also, the D&D line of Heroscape minis is a cheap way to net a few of the more expensive large minis(Wyvern/Hydra/Lg Red Dragon/Giants) and a grouping of random small/mediums for only $15... and newer ones even have the correct sized bases. (Wyvern & Elementals pack had to be re-based IMO, being slightly larger, but the elementals use the cool transparent plastic.)
Hey Paizo, how about a press release after major announcements so that we do not have to go searching for details on the forums?
I'm sure all the announcements will show up in the Paizo blog in the coming weeks. They reward the people who go to Gen Con by letting them have the info early.
The miniatures have a press release, and the Runelords Hardcover has a product page already. More will be added soon I am sure.