Confirmation that Abundant Step does not allow extra actions after using it.


Rules Questions


There is a feat in UC called Dimensional Agility that has the following text:

Dimensional Agility wrote:


After using abundant step or casting dimension
door, you can take any actions you still have remaining
on your turn. You also gain a +4 bonus on Concentration
checks when casting teleportation spells.


If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

Sovereign Court

LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

This has been clarified before. Even if its a move action, your still effectively acting as though you've cast dimension door and you may take no further actions as per the spell.

The benefit of it being a move action is that you can attack or do something with your standard action first.

Dark Archive

LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

incorrect

Abundant step
At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door.

Dimension Door
You instantly transfer yourself from your current location to any other spot within range. You always arrive at exactly the spot desired - whether by simply visualizing the area or by stating direction. After using this spell, you can't take any other actions until your next turn.


Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

This has been clarified before. Even if its a move action, your still effectively acting as though you've cast dimension door and you may take no further actions as per the spell.

The benefit of it being a move action is that you can attack or do something with your standard action first.

cite please

I can't believe it otherwise, it makes no sense. The Monk
-isn't- casting a spell. To slap additional rules onto this move action and add a complication to move actions because of something the character isn't doing .. it's nonsensical.

Liberty's Edge

Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

This has been clarified before. Even if its a move action, your still effectively acting as though you've cast dimension door and you may take no further actions as per the spell.

The benefit of it being a move action is that you can attack or do something with your standard action first.

This is now the official ruling, which is fine because you can take the feat for the outcome, which is all I wanted in the first place.

Monk is now officially the mage killer.


Name Violation wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

incorrect

Abundant step
At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door.

Dimension Door
You instantly transfer yourself from your current location to any other spot within range. You always arrive at exactly the spot desired - whether by simply visualizing the area or by stating direction. After using this spell, you can't take any other actions until your next turn.

I missed the last sentence of the dimn door spell and was thinking only of the Abundant Step passage, "Using this ability is a move action that consumes 2 points from his ki pool."


LilithsThrall wrote:
Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:
If it has such a feat, then it's yet another error. Abundant Step is a move action by RAW. As such, it already allows actions to be made after the move action.

This has been clarified before. Even if its a move action, your still effectively acting as though you've cast dimension door and you may take no further actions as per the spell.

The benefit of it being a move action is that you can attack or do something with your standard action first.

cite please

I can't believe it otherwise, it makes no sense. The Monk
-isn't- casting a spell. To slap additional rules onto this move action and add a complication to move actions because of something the character isn't doing .. it's nonsensical.

The ability works like dimension door so you have to reference dimension door.

Dimension door states that you can take no actions after it is used.

Dimension door wrote:


You instantly transfer yourself from your current location to any other spot within range. You always arrive at exactly the spot desired—whether by simply visualizing the area or by stating direction. After using this spell, you can't take any other actions until your next turn.

The only exception to the spell that abundant step gives are that it is a move action, and that you can't take anyone with you. These are bolded below.

abundant step wrote:


Abundant Step (Su): At 12th level or higher, a monk can slip magically between spaces, as if using the spell dimension door. Using this ability is a move action that consumes 2 points from his ki pool. His caster level for this effect is equal to his monk level. He cannot take other creatures with him when he uses this ability.

That is the RAW and RAI.

That feat that was listed by the OP is just more proof.


Where did you find the preview for this feat?

Sovereign Court

wraithstrike wrote:
Where did you find the preview for this feat?

'Tis not a preview, but the full PDF we got today, since we are subscribers!


El Baron de los Banditos wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Where did you find the preview for this feat?
'Tis not a preview, but the full PDF we got today, since we are subscribers!

I see.

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

mechaedd wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Where did you find the preview for this feat?
'Tis not a preview, but the full PDF we got today, since we are subscribers!

Well, SOME of us got them yesterday. Some of us are still waiting ...

Liberty's Edge

gbonehead wrote:
mechaedd wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Where did you find the preview for this feat?
'Tis not a preview, but the full PDF we got today, since we are subscribers!
Well, SOME of us got them yesterday. Some of us are still waiting ...

Yeah, I'm a subscriber and still don't have my PDF! I call shenanigans!

Shadow Lodge

There is a whole feat chain for the monks AS ability, this is just the first in the chain :D SO AWESOME. I wont spoil it, mostly because I was looking at my friends pdf, I dont actually have it in front of me :p


How does Dimensional Agility work with the teleportation subschool shift ability in the APG?


Cheapy wrote:

There is a feat in UC called Dimensional Agility that has the following text:

Funny I thought the description of Abundant Step that said 'as Dimension Door' was confirmation enough.

-James

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