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I don't play PFS. This is the Pathfinder advice forum.That was one of the rules put forward in the original post, characters must be PFS legal.
Since I have the top of this page, let's recap the now-slightly-updated PFS DPR Olympics rules:
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"Journey with us once more into the land of module-play, where post-retirement mayhem awaits!"
* Attributes: 20pt-buy pre-racial. You have three more level bumps by 12th. Build must be PFS legal.
* Build: it would be nice to see all levels in your build (with order feats taken in, class variants chosen, final HP and save totals, etc), but it is not required.
* Equipment: you have 110,000gp to spend, no more than a third of it in one object.
* Prep time:
- You are not surprised and have one full round to prepare.
- Your allies are "selfish"; no one assists you.
- You may have one preexisting intermediate-duration buff (1min/lvl up to half-hour) and one long-term (10min/lvl or greater) buff already in-effect prior to the prep round.
- You do not see the enemy during the prep round and do not know from what direction they will be arriving; abilities or spells that require an opponent-in-sight will therefore not work unless they can be deployed as or in conjunction with readied-actions.
- The prep round exists to get buffs or summons up-to-speed, and/or readied-actions good-to-go, nothing more.
* Bad-guy turn: a large opponent with 10' reach moves up to 10' away on its turn and strikes you for damage. AC 30, Touch 15, Flat 23. If you have buffs, items or abilities which generate one or more AoOs in this scenario, take them.
* Your turn: Take a full action. You are at the edge of the opponent's reach, and it threatens. Any check you make against it is versus opposed 35 (skills, CMD, resistance, whatever). There is no difficult terrain or nearby cover.
-- That's it. Tally up. If your character has "tricks" (sneak-attack, favored-enemy, favored terrain, trips on AoOs, has Smite, Bane enhancements, etc), compute damage twice: once for nothing-is-applicable and once for opponent-eats-everything-ya-got. If you think you can do it, do it.
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Damage/round formula: h(d+s)+tf(cd+cb+r)
h = Chance to hit, expressed as a percentage. This doesn't exceed .95 (unless you autohit for whatever reason) and never goes below .05.
d = Normal damage. This is any damage that happens any time you hit.
s = Damage which isn't multiplied on a crit. "s" stands for sneak attack, but this also includes elemental/alignment properties on weapons, precision damage, manyshot damage, and so on.
t = Chance to roll a threat. This is the threat range of your weapon or your chance to hit, whichever is lower.
f = This is your chance to confirm a threat. Most of the time, this is equal to h. If you have Critical Focus, it's (h+.2) or .95, whichever is higher. If you auto-confirm crits, as with a level 20 fighter or Bless Weapon, this is 1.
c = This is the number of bonus multiples you get from a crit. A 2x crit weapon is 1, a 3x crit weapon is 2, etc.
-- Remember to subtract one from your crit multiplier, or your damage will be over-done in the formula!
b = This is elemental burst damage, such as from fiery burst weapons and thundering. Such enhancements self-multiply based on your crit multiplier; if they don't, then they're added to r and not b.
r = This is fixed bonus damage dealt on a crit. No such abilities exist in PF core, to my knowledge.
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Character construction:
What is allowed in PFS? A quick way to determine if a feature is permitted is to toss its name plus "nethys" into a search-engine, whereupon its listing at the Archives of Nethys will be found, and if the Pathfinder Society's round Glyph of the Open Road logo is displayed, the feature is very probably legal. For example, the feat Two-Weapon Fighting is PFS-legal. There are corner-cases, however, and these may have a red circle around the logo; this means that the campaign has issued a ruling which modifies unrestricted access. If the feature you found at Nethys doesn't sport the PFS logo, it's probably not PFS-legal.
-- That said, new material is introduced continuously and previously-legal old material is occasionally proscribed, and not even the indefatigable stalwarts helming Nethys can keep up. So here's the follow-up trick: Nethys will provide the name of the book or books in which the feature has appeared. Which that knowledge, head over to Pathfinder Society's Additional Resources page and scan down for that book. If your feature (or, more often, its umbrella category) is listed as legal, you're good to go.
Another great site aiding in character-generation is d20pfsrd. It does not indicate PFS-legality (note that all non-Paizo material is unapproved), but is very easy to navigate and quickly explore options.
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* Final thread rule: We're here to have fun kickin' monster butt! Please keep the signal-to-noise ratio positive. No critiquing until you've posted a build (error-correcting permitted).
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So, I'm pretty sure the following build meets criteria.
Halfling fisticuffs fighter (watch out, he's a biter)
Str 10
Dex 18 + 3 level + 6 enhancement + 4 moral + 4 alchemical = 34
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 14
Cha 09
Traits : Quain Martial Artist, Fate's Favored
1 Bloodrager :Weapon Finesse, Improved Unarmed Strike, Controlled Bloodrage, Angelic Strikes
2 Medium :Knacks, Spirit, Spirit Bonus +1, Spirit Surge 1d6, Spirit Power (lesser)
3 Fighter :Two Weapon Fighting, Piranha Strike
4 Fighter :Weapon Focus (unarmed strike), Bravery +1
5 Fighter :Risky Striker, Mutagen
6 Fighter :Spirit Focus (champion)
7 Fighter :Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Training 1 (natural)
8 Fighter :Weapon Specialization (unarmed strike), Bravery +2
9 Fighter :Advanced Weapon Training (focused weapon), Mutagen Discovery (feral mutagen)
10 Fighter :Greater Weapon Focus (unarmed strike)
11 Fighter :Celestial Obedience (Falayna), Weapon Training 2, Advanced Weapon Training (Weapon Specialization: Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization)
12 Fighter :Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Bravery +3
Equipment:
+1 brawling Haramaki
Agile Furious amulet of mighty fists
Boots of speed
Cracked Pale Green Prism Ioun Stone
Gloves of Dueling
Belt of Dexterity +6
Helm of the Mammoth Lord
Potion of Good Hope
AC : 20, or 23 when buffed/using risky striker
Fort : 12, 14 buffed
Ref : 9, 15 buffed
Will : 6, 7 buffed, plus bravery
To Hit: 11 BAB, 12 from dexterity, 1 from size small, 2 weapon focus (assuming only 1 applies to natural weapons), 4 luck from divine favor, 2 to unarmed strikes from brawling, 1 from haste, 1 competence from Ioun stone, 2 morale from good hope, 4 from weapon training, 2 from spirit bonus, 2 from furious enchantment, -2 from two weapon fighting, -3 from pirahna strike. Should be a grand total of 39/34/29 for unarmed strikes and 31 for natural attacks.
Damage: 12/6 from dexterity, 2 from weapon specialization, 1 to unarmed for Quain martial artist, 4 from divine favor, 2 to unarmed from brawling, 2 from good hope, 4 from weapon training, 4 from spirit bonus/seance bonus, 2 from furious, 6/3 from piranha strike, 6 from risky striker, and average weapon damage. Unarmed = 4.5, bite = 3.5, claws/gore = 2.5. All totaled should be average of
Unarmed strike = 48.5
Bite = 36.5
Claws/Gore = 35.5
unarmed strikes = 6.65(48.5)+.3325(48.5) = 338.65
Bite = .95(36.5)+.475(36.5) = 36.4
Claws/gore = 2.85(35.5)+.1425(35.5) = 106.24
Grand total should be 481.28 damage. Even with DR 10/- it's still around 370 damage. If the enemy is an evil outsider, tack on another 36.58 damage, for 517.86.
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Every attack hits on a 2 and is a x2 crit....how are you achieving auto-crits?
Sorry, phrased that badly. Was already getting pretty late when posting. Just meant to say that they threaten on a 20, and are only a x2 critical. The math is still based on the regular damage formula with a 1 in 20 chance for critical threat with a 95% chance to confirm.
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What is "Angelic Strikes"? (I assume you meant Angelic Attacks from the Celestial bloodline.)Traits : Quain Martial Artist, Fate's Favored
1 Bloodrager :Weapon Finesse, Improved Unarmed Strike, Controlled Bloodrage, Angelic Strikes
To Hit: 11 BAB, 12 from dexterity, 1 from size small, 2 weapon focus (assuming only 1 applies to natural weapons), 4 luck from divine favor, 2 to unarmed strikes from brawling, 1 from haste, 1 competence from Ioun stone, 2 morale from good hope, 4 from weapon training, 2 from spirit bonus, 2 from furious enchantment, -2 from two weapon fighting, -3 from pirahna strike. Should be a grand total of 39/34/29 for unarmed strikes and 31 for natural attacks.
How are you getting a +4 Luck bonus from Divine Favor? (I see Celestial Obedience (Falayna) granting you the spell, but how are you getting your caster level in it up to 6th (for a +3 bonus before Fate's Favored's +1 additional)?
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What is "Angelic Strikes"? (I assume you meant Angelic Attacks from the Celestial bloodline.)Traits : Quain Martial Artist, Fate's Favored
1 Bloodrager :Weapon Finesse, Improved Unarmed Strike, Controlled Bloodrage, Angelic Strikes
To Hit: 11 BAB, 12 from dexterity, 1 from size small, 2 weapon focus (assuming only 1 applies to natural weapons), 4 luck from divine favor, 2 to unarmed strikes from brawling, 1 from haste, 1 competence from Ioun stone, 2 morale from good hope, 4 from weapon training, 2 from spirit bonus, 2 from furious enchantment, -2 from two weapon fighting, -3 from pirahna strike. Should be a grand total of 39/34/29 for unarmed strikes and 31 for natural attacks.How are you getting a +4 Luck bonus from Divine Favor? (I see Celestial Obedience (Falayna) granting you the spell, but how are you getting your caster level in it up to 6th (for a +3 bonus before Fate's Favored's +1 additional)?
Yeah, it's supposed to be angelic attacks. And the celestial obedience thing isn't class based, and doesn't specify a caster level. In those cases the general rule is to use hit dice as caster level for SLAs.
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Damage: 12/6 from dexterity, 2 from weapon specialization, 1 to unarmed for Quain martial artist, 4 from divine favor, 2 to unarmed from brawling, 2 from good hope, 4 from weapon training, 4 from spirit bonus/seance bonus, 2 from furious, 6/3 from piranha strike, 6 from risky striker, and average weapon damage. Unarmed = 4.5, bite = 3.5, claws/gore = 2.5.
How are you getting +4 to damage from a single level of Medium?
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Contestants please note: Potions of Good Hope are 1,050gp, which is 300 over the contest limit. (By 12th, I'd wager scrolls of Heal and Breath of Life are in most PC's emergency pack, but four-digit-cost buff potions are unlikely. I also had to draw the line somewhere because I didn't want people indulging silliness like 3,000gp GMW+5s, so I set the limit at 750, a common number for 3rd-level spells in a bottle.)
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Assuming Deighton Thrane's halfling pugilist swaps his potion of Good Hope for Heroism instead (they're the same except for the damage bonus), reducing damage slightly to 467 (481-14), he is nevertheless wearing the DPR Crown for the time being.
Until someone takes it from him.
(How about *you* out there? Can you take it from him?
-- Are you man enough to take it? From a halfling?)
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<squint><scrollback thru thread><yikes!>
Um, wow... another fine entry from the Book of Super OP Occult Adventures, I see....
Sorry, Deighton; you had the crown on your head for a second, but then this other halfling came up and melted you into a bubbling puddle of blue flaming goo, and swiped it.
...then again, maybe not: I know almost zilch about the kineticist class (I've only been reading up on it since your reply), but I did note this posted line in AVR's entry: "...Burn 5 due to not gathering power, so use the internal buffer to reduce it by 2... ...and I'm not sure how she's doing that as a 12th level character when it looks like the class is limited to accepting 4 burn per round at that level, and can't spend more than one point with the internal buffer per single wild talent. But that class has more moving parts than a Swiss watch, so I'll leave it to someone else to pick at. (งツ)ว
If AVR forgoes the AoO on the monster's turn (so she doesn't have to roast all that burn turning her weapon-with-the-incredibly-long-name back on), then she does, as she stated, about 404 in damage in the main round.
Given that Deighton's puncher did all of his damage in the main round (deliberately forfeiting AoOs or readies), by judge's decision I'm letting him keep the crown for dishing out the most in a single full-attack.
For the moment....
Occult adventures isn't OP lol xD the classes are generally a little behind the curve I find. Being able to nova out 400 Damage+ at level 12 isn't OP its pointless overkill and in the case of the Kineticist a absolutely mind melting waste of resources.
As for whether it works.
Action round 3 burn is taken turning on the whip, which is fine.
Turning the whip on again takes 5, so the buffer is used which is again fine
Similarly, this buffer can be used to exceed the limit on the number of points of burn the kineticist can accept in a single turn.
that is from the PFSRD. I think there is potentially one mistake in that 2 points from the buffer are being used for one talent when you can only use one per wild talent, so it should be reduced to using 4 burn, not 3. Still totally legal mind you.
I don't see why the Aoo build wouldn't count towards the damage, based off how the monster operates it would, since it can't be 5ft stepping into threat, otherwise most characters would do so on the prep round to take an extra full attack. Unless you're precluding Aoo builds for some other reason.
it would be good to know the things to hit. In case someone wants to make a snake strike build for example.
well thats oddly high for anything a level 12 would have to deal with. O.o
I think I read once that magic consumables in PFS get made at the minimum caster level only? Also, lunge only works on your turn, not for AoOs.
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Sorry, Deighton; you had the crown on your head for a second, but then this other halfling came up and melted you into a bubbling puddle of blue flaming goo, and swiped it.
...then again, maybe not: I know almost zilch about the kineticist class (I've only been reading up on it since your reply), but I did note this posted line in AVR's entry: "...Burn 5 due to not gathering power, so use the internal buffer to reduce it by 2... ...and I'm not sure how she's doing that as a 12th level character when it looks like the class is limited to accepting 4 burn per round at that level, and can't spend more than one point with the internal buffer per single wild talent. But that class has more moving parts than a Swiss watch, so I'll leave it to someone else to pick at. (งツ)ว
If AVR forgoes the AoO on the monster's turn (so she doesn't have to roast all that burn turning her weapon-with-the-incredibly-long-name back on), then she does, as she stated, about 404 in damage in the main round.
Given that Deighton's puncher did all of his damage in the main round (deliberately forfeiting AoOs or readies), by judge's decision I'm letting him keep the crown for dishing out the most in a single full-attack.
For the moment....
Well, didn't think I actually deserved the crown to begin with. Especially after I realized I forgot to drop the damage for the off hand unarmed strikes. Overall it should lower damage by 36 a round for a total of 445. Also, not realizing the no potion over 750 gp thing was still in play means it should be changed to heroism. So another 22 for 423 damage.
Although looking at AVRs build, while still number 1 in the challenge, is a lot higher than the damage I've calculated for the build. Someone want to look this over and point out if I've missed anything?
Blue Flame Composite Blast 12d6 + half con mod
+8/9 Con modifier meaning +4 damage
Risky Striker for +6
Fire Wysp Familiar for +1 competence bonus to damage
Maximized Spell for 72 damage instead of 12d6
Empowered Spell for half of 12d6 plus 11
Also note, kinetic whip doesn't add elemental overflow bonus to damage.
So we should have 72 + 4 con + 6 risky + 1 comp + 0.5(12d6+11) for a total of 109 damage. 4 attacks at .95 chance to hit and .1 chance to threaten and we're looking at:
4 x .95 x 1.1 x 109 = 455.62
Add in the burn and it .95 x 3.5 for 3.33 damage
Grand total in the two rounds should be 458.95
For those who don't want to bother with the break down, I'm getting 458.95 damage on avr's halfling kineticist, still 36 points ahead of the halfling unarmed/natural weapon fighter. In order for the fighter to take the lead, you'd need something like a bard using discordant voice in the mix, and even then it would only be ahead by about 15 points or so. And I always consider that the bard's damage anyway. Besides, the kineticist is using 2/3 of their daily burn allotment in 2 rounds, it damn well better be worth it.
Although looking at AVRs build, while still number 1 in the challenge, is a lot higher than the damage I've calculated for the build. Someone want to look this over and point out if I've missed anything?
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Burning Infusion is one thing you've missed. +1d6 burning damage if the AoO hits. I could reasonably leave it off the round one attack to save 1 burn, there's no need for extra attack bonus or to beat SR in this challenge. The other is Fire's Fury.
Fire’s Fury
Element(s) fire; Type utility (Su); Level 1; Burn —
When using fire blasts or composite blasts that include fire, add your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt. If the kinetic blast normally adds double your elemental overflow bonus to damage, these effects stack.
While kinetic blade/whip usually drops the elemental overflow bonus off, this adds it back on.
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Mike, 1) Where can I find this bit of PFS weirdness, and 2) How does this interact with Ghost Rider cavalier which are also PFS legal?More stupid Sohei tricks, with a slight assist from PFS house-rules:
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06 caval4 05 {{Expert Trainer*}} [Challenge 2/day]
07 sohei3 06 [Maneuver Training][Still Mind], Horse MasterStrength of build now apparent with Horse Master feat bringing druid-level of AC mount to character-level. {{*In PFS, all cavaliers get Expert Trainer, meaning archetypes such as Beastrider which normally forfeit it still have it.}}
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So...at 12th we're riding around on the nastiest pounce-beast imaginable which has defenses and saves better than a paladin's, and have no BAB drawbacks while Flurrying with a high-threat exotic polearm (we've basically traded the horrid -10 BAB11 iterative for a front-loaded extra Flurry attack from 2nd-level with an additional -5 iterative at 12th).
The Roleplaying Guild Guide mentions that cavaliers get skill focus handle animal instead of expert trainer. Then the campaign clarification says that a cavalier of 4th level or higher may ignore the expert trainer requirement for the horse master feat. A cavalier who trades out expert trainer for another class feature as part of an archetype (like ghost rider) cannot take the horse master feat.
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Although looking at AVRs build, while still number 1 in the challenge, is a lot higher than the damage I've calculated for the build. Someone want to look this over and point out if I've missed anything?
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Burning Infusion is one thing you've missed. +1d6 burning damage if the AoO hits. I could reasonably leave it off the round one attack to save 1 burn, there's no need for extra attack bonus or to beat SR in this challenge. The other is Fire's Fury.
Fire’s Fury
Element(s) fire; Type utility (Su); Level 1; Burn —
When using fire blasts or composite blasts that include fire, add your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt. If the kinetic blast normally adds double your elemental overflow bonus to damage, these effects stack.
While kinetic blade/whip usually drops the elemental overflow bonus off, this adds it back on.
I got the burn, it was fire's fury that was missing. Should add 31.35 to the previously mentioned damage which equals 490.3. Still off by 47 from your calculations though.
EDIT - No wait, did empower wrong. Should add 47 for 506. So 31 off.
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Alright, I learned me a few tricks from others, and I give you Stabby with extra cheese... He doesn't take the crown from the Pyro, but is sufficiently cheesy to pass Deighton's bitey little git
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A couple things I noticed about the build. First is Divine Favor being a personal spell, so potions don't work. Second, the spirit bonus looks to be 1 higher than it should be for a one level dip and spirit focus (champion). There's about a 60% chance to succeed on the parry, so if you include that in you calculations, it lowers things a bit. Also, I think you activated precise strike on the throw, which doesn't work because it has to be a swift action, and the attack has to be made before the end of your turn. Bleeding Wound is also an action (a free action, but still...) which means you can't activate in off turn. Personally, I have the calculations at about 402 damage.
AoO w/ Fortu. 1.65 x 49.5 = 81.675 + (1.65 X .2 X 31.5) = 92.07
Disrupting Cntr .95 x 49.5 = 47.025 + (.95 x .2 x 31.5) = 53.01
Parry .6 x 53.01 = 31.8
Regular round 2.15 x 50.5 = 108.575 + (2.15 x .2 x 32.5) = 122.55
Precise .95 x 69.5 = 66.025 + (.95 x .2 x 31.5) = 72.01
Separated the precise strike to apply bleed on the full attack to make it easier. I know it's not formatted the same as the damage formula, but it should all work out, it's too late, and I'm too tired to bother reformatting it. Brackets are for critical damage if it isn't clear.
I got the burn, it was fire's fury that was missing. Should add 31.35 to the previously mentioned damage which equals 490.3. Still off by 47 from your calculations though.
EDIT - No wait, did empower wrong. Should add 47 for 506. So 31 off.
Going thru this very carefully I think I messed up empower another way the first time around. I came up with 502 redoing it.
Easily done.
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This is the story of a character who was a doctor, who became a cowboy, who became a ninja. He performed acupuncture in his spare time... using a gun. I have no idea if this is PFS legal, but here's my entry using the Gunslinger and the Ninja playtests. Ninja is mostly supliferous--more Alchemist levels or Rogue Levels work just as well in the end.
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Sadly, it ins't PFS legal. Because you can't choose Sylvan as a Eldritch Lineage(Cause it's an Archetype).
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Spirit Bonus is +3 because of starting at +1, an additional +1 for Spirit Focus and a third +1 for Spirit Binding armor.
So I need a different buff potion - suggestions welcome.
You know, I actually missed the spirit-bonded part on the armor. I wasn't thinking of it because it's not a PFS legal option. I'm trying to think of potions that fit the criteria of 750 gp or less that help the build but I'm not coming up with much. Reduce Person would increase accuracy and even damage, by 0.5. Using the same calculations I used for the 402 damage before, drinking a potion of reduce person increases damage to 423.
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You have to look up every single thing you put in a build on a random webpage that changes every couple of months... Which you can't even search properly - try putting say "sacred geometry" into that page ... you don't get a hit.
Which is why I recommended searching Nethys first in my post at the top of this page. (Or just thingamabob + nethys thrown at Google will get you where you need to be 99% of the time.)
If you don't see the PFS logo, it's almost certainly not legal if the book it was published in itself has an entry on PFS' Additional Resources page and doesn't mention it (none of the feats in Occult Mysteries are legal). (Sacred Geometry was sacked in PFS for being either a massive table-hogging time-sink, or LOLwut!? broken if you used a phone app to solve it for best-possible result every time...not to mention fragging any semblance of immersive verisimilitude with a flame-thrower.)
Is simulacrum, game breaker that it is, banned? Of course not...Why would it have to be? The earliest a wizard can cast that 7th-level spell is at 13th CL, which is coincidentally the exact moment he enters "retirement".
How about the "mandatory" buy of Gloves of Dueling - that you see in every single fighter build - Nope.
You mean those 15,000gp items that eat your hand slot and require anywhere from three to five levels in the otherwise arid wasteland of the dullest core class in order to properly activate them for a, in most cases, +2/+2 increase in one's existing bonuses, but only while wielding specific weapons?
You know else does that and only costs 25gp with a single level dip into a class with lots of cool skills and other 1st-level bennies, and works with every weapon in the book including improvised? -- A scroll of Instant Enemy used by any ranger archetype that doesn't forfeit either spellcasting or favored enemy. You could do this as a 1st-level character on your first adventure! (You will be saddled with the onerous requirement of having at least an 11 in wisdom.) And you know who else can swing that +2/+2 att/dmg at 1st level? Barbarians. -- The fighter squeezes the dear life out of his coppers to swing those gloves by 6th (more likely 7th) in PFS. Meanwhile, the ranger-dipping bloodrager is concealing his +1/Furious bardiche in a Glove of Storing. The dueling gloves are very nice, don't get me wrong, but they're hardly a must-have-or-you-suck item, and many astute practitioners of higher-order munchkinery still account fighter a suboptimal class.
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But enough arguing, because that is not what the ticket-buying crowd was here for. The arena grows bored and restless....
Send in the next gladiators!
Pad300, the PRD states
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent.
I didn't read too much more of your build but that would remove the second AoO you have listed for moving in.
Bloodragers can nova too! All Limbs Used
Str 15+2 race+3 level+6 belt=24, Dex 14, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 12+4 headband=16
Feats: Quick Draw, Dirty Fighting, Improved Trip, Throw Anything, Power Attack (B), Equipment Trick (heavy blade scabbard), Fury’s Fall, Greater Trip, Weapon Focus (greatsword) (B)
Contingent Action learned via urban bloodrager
36000 +6 belt of strength
16000 +4 headband of charisma
18350 +1 furious fortuitous greatsword
4000 Furious amulet of mighty fists
310 Masterwork sharpened combat scabbard
12000 Boots of speed
9000 Lesser metamagic rod of empower spell
300 Potion of invisibility
625 Scroll of draconic ally, inc. material cpt
4000 Gauntlets of the skilled maneuver
10 min/level buff: Cast Draconic Ally from scroll
1 min/level buff: Cast Contingent Action (on melee hit, attack them again!)
Round zero: Draconic Ally drinks potion of invisibility, start greater bloodrage (+6 Str)/cast Monstrous Physique 1 & turn into a Popobala (+2 Str, lots of natural attacks)/cast vine strike (swift), activate boots of speed (free), cast empowered (via rod) frostbite (standard), stow rod (move)
Round one: Draconic Ally moves to flank then uses breath weapon, 5’ step forward, draw greatsword (free), attack w/combat scabbard using Equipment Trick to trip (swift), full attack (full round).
Assume save made, half damage from breath weapon: 6d8/2, mean 13.5 damage
CMB, combat scabbard: BAB +12, Str (inc. rage, MP I) +11, Dex +2, imp trip +2, greater trip +2, masterwork +1, haste +1, dirty fighting w/imp cbt mnvr +4, power attack -4, gauntlets of the skilled maneuver +2. 95% success vs. CMD 35.
Attack, greatsword: BAB +12/+7/+2, Str (inc. rage, MP I) +11, enhancement +3, haste +1, flank +2, vs. prone +4, weapon focus +1, power attack -4. +30/+25/+20, +26/+21/+16 if opponent not prone. AoO at max attack bonus w/greatsword if opponent tripped.
Damage, greatsword: 2d6 + 16 (Str) + 3 (enhancement) + 12 (PA) = 2d6 + 31, mean 38
Attack, natural weapons (bite, 2 talons, 2 wings): BAB +12, Str (inc. rage, MP I) +11, enhancement +2, haste +1, flank +2, vs. prone +4, power attack -4, secondary -5. +23, +19 if opponent not prone.
Damage, bite: 2d6 + 5 (Str) + 2 (enhancement) + 4 (PA) +1d6 (vine strike)+ 1.5*(1d6+12) (frostbite) = 2d6 + 11 + 1d6 + 1.5*(1d6+12)
Damage, talon or wing: 1d6 + 5 (Str) + 2 (enhancement) + 4 (PA) +1d6 (vine strike)+ 1.5*(1d6+12) (frostbite) = 1d6 + 11 + 1d6 + 1.5*(1d6+12)
If tripped (95%): greatsword w/haste, AoO, fortuitous, contingent action +30/+30/+30/+30/+25/+25/+20, bite +23, 2 talons +23, 2 wings +23
4* (0.95*38 + 0.1*0.95*38) 158.84
+ 2* (0.8*38 + 0.1*0.8*38) 66.88
+ (0.55*38 + 0.1*0.55*38) 22.99
+ (0.7*44.75 + 0.05*0.7*18) 31.96
+ 4* (0.7*41.25 + 0.05*0.7*14.5) 117.53
= 398.2, *0.95 = 378.29
If not (5%): greatsword w/haste, contingent action +26/+26+26/+21/+16, bite +19, 2 talons +19, 2 wings +19
3* (0.85*38 + 0.1*0.85*38) 106.59
+ (0.6*38 + 0.1*0.6*38) 25.08
+ (0.35*38 + 0.1*0.35*38) 14.63
+ (0.5*44.75 + 0.05*0.5*18) 22.83
+ 4* (0.5*41.25 + 0.05*0.5*14.5) 83.95
= 253.08, *0.05 = 12.65
Total inc. breath weapon (13.5) = 404.44
Also, the enemy is fatigued, 95% chance of being prone and quite likely entangled. If I knew what the chance of the enemy failing a DC 15 reflex save is (probably low?) I’d try to work out what effect that’d have on the later natural attacks.
Limbs takes the attack from the enemy and an AoO from making a ranged attack (combat scabbard), and she doesn't have a lot of defence so she is indeed one of the welcome squishies.
Edit: forgot the frostbite was empowered, corrected figures.
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I will note, that I think you might be able to improve on this using an Elven Curve Blade, replacing the whip feats with a the full snake style tree. Two extra AoO's from snake make up for the lost AoO's to reach (although they are only 95% probable), and the improved crit range and damage (2d8) for a large ECB should do it.
Further, I also see possibilities in further exploring the Kineticist, with something like Kineticist 11 / Swash 1. Get Riposte for an extra attack. If you can push the to-hit high enough you could use a physical blast, for significantly more damage than an energy blast.
It's funny you mention the snake style thing, because I went back and looked at option B of the halfling build I posted. Build A eventually went into pummeling style for full attack on charge, and build B focused on high AC and snake style to draw attacks of opportunity. With a little bit of reworking it fits the fight here.
Halfling mutation fighter (snake style this time)
Str 10
Dex 19 + 3 level + 4 enhancement + 4 moral + 4 alchemical = 34
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 12
Cha 09
Traits : Accelerated drinker, Fate's Favored
1 Bloodrager :Weapon Finesse, Improved Unarmed Strike, Controlled Bloodrage, Angelic Attacks
2 Medium :Knacks, Spirit, Spirit Bonus +1, Spirit Surge 1d6, Spirit Power (lesser)
3 Fighter :Two Weapon Fighting, Piranha Strike
4 Fighter :Snake Style, Bravery +1
5 Fighter :Risky Striker, Mutagen
6 Fighter :Dodge
7 Fighter :Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Training 1 (natural)
8 Fighter :Snake Sidewind, Bravery +2
9 Fighter :Combat Reflexes, Mutagen Discovery (feral mutagen)
10 Fighter :Snake Fang
11 Fighter :Celestial Obedience (Falayna), Weapon Training 2, Advanced Weapon Training (knockout training)
12 Fighter :Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Bravery +3
Equipment:
+1 brawling Haramaki 16 153
Agile Furious Fortuitous amulet of mighty fists 36 000
Boots of speed 12 000
Heavy Darkwood Shield +2 4 192
Gloves of Dueling 15 000
Belt of Dexterity +4 16 000
Helm of the Mammoth Lord 8 000
Potion of Mage Armor 50
Wand of Long Arm 750
Ring of protection +1 2 000
108 145
AC : 12 dex, 1 size, 1 dodge, 1 deflection, 2 natural armor, 4 shield, 4 armor, 1 haste
To Hit: 11 BAB, 12 from dexterity, 1 from size small, 4 luck from divine favor, 2 to unarmed strikes from brawling, 1 from haste, 4 from weapon training, 1 from spirit bonus, 2 from furious enchantment, -2 from two weapon fighting, -3 from pirahna strike. Should be a grand total of 35/30 on attacks of opportunity and
33/28/23 for unarmed strikes and 26 for natural attacks.
Damage: 12/6 from dexterity, 4 from divine favor, 2 to unarmed from brawling, 8 from weapon training, 3 from spirit bonus/seance bonus, 2 from furious, 6/3 from piranha strike, 6 from risky striker, and average weapon damage. Unarmed = 1.5, bite = 3.5, claws/gore = 2.5. All totaled should be average of
Unarmed strike = 38.5, 44.5 with risky striker, 35.5 off hand
Bite = 35.5
Claw/Gore = 34.5
Monster walks in, attacks, missing and thereby triggering snake style's attack of opportunity. Take attack of opportunity, using piranha strike and dealing nonlethal damage to trigger knockout training's additional damage, assuming with 95% chance to hit, we take second attack of opportunity from Fortuitous and take immediate action to attack again.
On our turn, full attack which includes 4 main hand and 3 off hand unarmed strikes (kicks), a gore, a bite, and a single claw, since we're stuck holding a shield. Since we're making a full attack, we can now use risky striker along with piranha strike.
AoOs : 2.85 x 1.05 x 38.5 = 115.21
Unarmed P : 3.5 x 1.05 x 44.5 = 163.54
Unarmed S : 2.55 x 1.05 x 35.5 = 95.05
Bite : 0.85 x 1.05 x 35.5 = 31.68
Claw/Gore : 1.7 x 1.05 x 34.5 = 61.58
total : 467
Also, quick note for Pad300, since it's probably the hardest thing to notice without playing PFS, and having it pointed out to you, but the only legal source for polymorph effects seem to be the bestiaries. It's stated in the additional resources page under the specific books that they're legal options for wild shape and other polymorph stuff. As far as I know, Calikang hasn't made it into one of the bestiary books. I'm pretty sure you could use a vouivre as a replacement form. Aside from that, you can't usually wield a whip 2 handed for 1-1/2 strength bonus, if there's something that allows you to, I might have just missed it. And greater mutagen requires fighter level 12, not sure what a good replacement option is though. I think you've also got one move action provoking twice in there. Aside from those few things, it looks like a pretty good build. Would like to see the retooling with elven curved blade to see if it gets any better.
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Okay, so I think the final rebuild of the halfling unarmed/natural attack build.
Str 13
Dex 19 + 3 level + 4 enhancement + 4 moral + 4 alchemical + 2 size = 36
Con 10
Int 12
Wis 07
Cha 14
Traits : Accelerated drinker, Quain Martial Artist
1 Bloodrager :Weapon Finesse, Improved Bull Rush, Controlled Bloodrage, Angelic Strikes
2 Cavalier : Challenge 1/day, Improved Unarmed Stike, Order, Tactician (doesn't matter what feat)
3 Fighter :Two Weapon Fighting, Power Attack
4 Fighter :Weapon Focus (unarmed strike), Bravery +1
5 Fighter :Risky Striker, Mutagen
6 Fighter :Rhino Charge
7 Fighter :Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Training 1 (natural)
8 Fighter :Weapon Specialization (unarmed strike), Bravery +2
9 Fighter :Pummeling Style, Mutagen Discovery (feral mutagen)
10 Fighter :Advanced Weapon Training (knockout training)
11 Fighter :Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Training 2, Advanced Weapon Training (Weapon Specialization: Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization)
12 Fighter :Pummeling Charge, Bravery +3
UMD : 2 charisma, 12 ranks, 10 insight bonus from Wand Keyring. Get required 25 for Monstrous Physique scroll automatically.
Equipment:
+1 brawling Haramaki 16 153
Agile Furious shocking amulet of mighty fists 36 000
Boots of speed 12 000
Gloves of Dueling 15 000
Belt of Dexterity +4 16 000
Helm of the Mammoth Lord 8 000
Potion of Heroism 750
Scroll of Monstrous Physique I 375
Wand Keyring 3 000
106 278
To Hit : 11 BAB, 13 from dexterity, 1 from size small, 1 from haste, 2 morale from Heroism, 2 to unarmed strikes from brawling, 4 from weapon training, 1 from weapon focus, 2 from furious enchantment, 1 from challenge -2 from two weapon fighting, -3 from power attack.
Should be a grand total of 32/27/22 for unarmed strikes and 25 for natural attacks. +1 when challenging on Second Round.
Damage: 13/6 from dexterity, 2 to unarmed from brawling, 8 from weapon training, 2 from weapon specialization, 1 from Quain Martial Artist, 2 from furious, 6/3 from power attack, 6 from risky striker, 1 from challenge, 3.5 from shocking, and average weapon damage. Unarmed = 1.5, bite = 3.5, claws/gore = 2.5. All totaled should be average of
Unarmed strike = 45/46 main hand 35/36 off hand
Bite = 35
Claws/Gore = 34
Monster gets within 20 feet and charge goes off. Because of Pummeling charge we get a full attack using only unarmed strikes. We're dealing non lethal damage to gain the bonus from knockout training. After this, the monster attacks us, I guess?
Back to our turn. Swift action challenge the monster. Perform full attack with natural attacks and kicks because we don't need to use pummeling style.
charge Off hand : 2.65 x 35 + 2.65 x 0.05 x 31.5 = 96.92
Unarmed Main hand : 3.5 x 46 + 3.5 x 0.05 x 42.5 = 168.44
Unarmed Off hand : 2.55 x 36 + 2.55 x 0.05 x 32.5 = 95.94
Bite : 0.85 x 35 + 0.85 x 0.05 x 31.5 = 31.09
Claws/Gore : 4.25 x 34 + 4.25 x 0.05 x 30.5 = 150.98
total : 712.84
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So this fight we go in with our mutagen and monstrous physique going. We use Charda form for bite and 4 claw attacks while remaining small. First round we use our swift to adopt pummeling style, move action we drink the potion of heroism we were holding, free action we activate boots of speed and begin controlled bloodrage. As a standard action, we ready a charge for when the creature gets within, say 20 feet.
Monster gets within 20 feet and charge goes off. Because of Pummeling charge we get a full attack using only unarmed strikes. We're dealing non lethal damage to gain the bonus from knockout training. After this, the monster attacks us, I guess?
Back to our turn. Swift action challenge the monster. Perform full attack with natural attacks and kicks because we don't need to use pummeling style.
Issues:
1) You can't activate your Style feat-chain prior to initiative:
As a swift action, you can enter the stance employed by the fighting style a style feat embodies. Although you cannot use a style feat before combat begins, the style you are in persists until you...
Reminders all around again that you do not see the monster during your prep round. Abilities that require sight of an enemy and/or INIT being called for won't work in the prep round. Smite? Nope. Challenge? Nope. Judgment? Nope. Style? Nope. Instant Enemy? Nope. Amulet of the Spirits? Nope.
2) The idea that you can take a swift, a move, then ready a charge via Rhino, then receive a full attack via Pummeling all in the same round seems...excessive even though it is apparently PFS-legal for the moment. (I FAQ'd it in the Rules forum.)
3) The RageLancePounce technique of AM BARBARIAN prompted some rule changes years back regarding how bonuses and whatnot for various extra attacks after the first are resolved during charge>pounces; I don't know all the details because I've never built a pounce-machine, but you'll want to bone-up.
4) Pummeling Charge only works with unarmed strikes, not natural attacks. (I.e., monstrous physique's claws and bites do not qualify.) It does not look like you used them (because you were after nonlethal), but just wanted to get it out for the other readers.
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]Issues:
1) You can't activate your Style feat-chain prior to initiative: Abilities that require sight of an enemy and/or INIT being called for won't work in the prep round. Smite? Nope. Challenge? Nope. Judgment? Nope. Style? Nope. Instant Enemy? Nope. Amulet of the Spirits? Nope.2) The idea that you can take a swift, a move, then ready a charge via Rhino, then receive a full attack via Pummeling all in the same round seems...excessive even though it is apparently PFS-legal for the moment. (I FAQ'd it in the Rules forum.)
3) The RageLancePounce technique of AM BARBARIAN prompted some rule changes years back regarding how bonuses and whatnot for various extra attacks after the first are resolved during charge>pounces; I don't know all the details because I've never built a pounce-machine, but you'll want to bone-up.
4) Pummeling Charge...
Okay, this is pretty fair. The build does kind of strain the boundaries of the challenge a bit, essentially getting 2 turns worth of actions. There's a bit of a problem with starting combat only when the monster comes out. You only start initiative when combat starts, so that means no readied actions, as they're special initiative actions which you can't technically take outside of initiative. It would also mean that you would need some way to be able to make attacks of opportunity if that's what you were planning, either through uncanny dodge or combat reflexes. Because of this, I had just assumed that we were already in initiative, just didn't know where the enemy was.
If you're looking for relevant rules on the full attack on a readied charge, being able pounce while under the effects of slow is probably the most relevant. Basically says there's not such thing as a partial charge, so you can still pounce in cases where you're charging with a standard action. Other than that I don't know that the other FAQs are relevant. Ragepounce barbarian caused the faq on lances not getting 3 times damage on all attacks, and being able to use a manufactured weapon for all our attacks isn't relevant because pummeling style says you have to use unarmed strikes.
Clarifying things for Pad300, first the pummeling charge thing. That's two different sentences. Evolved Companion and Evolved Summoned Monster are disallowed. It then goes on to clarify that animal soul, divine protection, pummeling charge and spirit's gift are all now legal options, because before those feats were changed in the advanced class guide errata, they weren't legal options. The feat can no longer be used with any weapon, and doesn't almost guarantee that the entire full attack is a critical hit. It's toned down quite a bit from that.
As for the attack breakdown. On the readied charge we only use unarmed strikes, so we'd gain 4 attacks with our main hand, and 3 with our off hand. Accuracy is .95/.95/.75 because of the +2 from charge. Then on the regular turn, it's 4 main hand (foot) attacks and 3 off hand attacks, accuracy .95/.95/.7, and the natural attack of gore, bite and 4 claws, at .85 each. Also, if you're looking for where it says kicks are unarmed strikes, it's in the combat section.
Unarmed Attacks: Striking for damage with punches, kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee weapon... The section in the monk write up isn't an exception to a rule, it's more a clarification of, yes you can in fact do this.
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am I correct in saying that this means you can't use snake style at all in this challenge? If you can't start the style stance in the prep round, the monster gets his attack before you get another swift, and he doesn't get another attack after that...
You are not precluded from readying an action to activate the style when initiative is called for. If you elect to do so, it will consume the prep round's standard action (to ready) and swift action (activating the style). This leaves only the prep round's move action available for buffing or anything else.
I am with you on one thing: Style feats are trappy and harder to deploy than taking players initially assume. But that's a Paizo-running-out-of-non-OP-feat-ideas problem, not a PFS problem or even a this particular scenario problem because combat very frequently begins in just this manner with the monster getting the jump.
Although this does not interrupt my question for Mike, I am apparently not the only one to be annoyed by PFS:If you do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved corps, there's always the National Guard.
Feats: all feats on pages 136-159 are legal for play, except Evolved Companion, Evolved Summon Monster. <<<< (that guy right there) Animal Soul, Divine Protection, Pummeling Charge, and Spirit's Gift are now legal for play.Deighton, say it with me now, shout it out loud, : "I [expletive deleted] HATE ... "
You're missing the tiny period. Pummeling Charge is PFS legal.