Well sort of, not all of them have relative animals - obviously some magical beasties fit too.
I usually attribute the emissaries forms as being the default animal forms. So Erastil would have the Stag, the Eagle, the Horse, and the Boar... as well as a Treant.
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So, apparently each deity has their own holy symbol, favoured weapons, special spells, and favourite ways of making their will known. Do the Golarion deities each have their own favoured animal/creature (ie: Desna - Swarm of Butterflies)?
If there isn't anything official, do any of the Golarion junkies out there have suggestions for what animal (lets try to choose animals preferably, maybe a magical beast if nothing else will work) would most likely be the favoured animal of each deity? I'm mostly looking at this from a perspective as to what would be thematically appropriate Animal Companions to use for each of the deities if chosen through the animal domain feature or for a character who worships one of the deities as their primary deific patron.
They do... but we haven't really published those animals in print yet. Many of the deities come from my homebrew world originally, and I have more detailed accounts of their "sacred animals" in those documents. Those documents, alas, are squirreled away at home.
So working kind of by memory, and kind of by hunch... here's a list of the sacred animals of the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea Region:
Abadar: horse
Asmodeus: goat
Calistria: wasp
Cayden Cailean: monkey
Desna: butterfly
Erastil: stag
Gorum: aurochs bull
Gozreh: all animals
Iomedae: falcon
Irori: tiger
Lamashtu: jackal
Nethys: owl
Norgorber: spider
Pharasma: whippoorwill
Rovagug: scorpion
Sarenrae: dove
Shelyn: cat
Torag: bear
Urgathoa: fly
Zon-Kuthon: bat
..or JJ could come in and contradict me :p
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I thought Cayden Cailean's animal was a Cayhound from the second book of Second Darkness.
That works too. Like I said, my list was mostly from memory, and for deities not from my homebrew world (like Cayden Cailean) that memory is kinda sketchy...
Hound is a good choice for sacred animal for Cayden Cailean, in any case.
Awww... but I liked the Hannemann aspect of the monkey for Cayden.
I may have my bard get a pet monkey anyway, and say it's because monkeys are sacred to Cayden Cailean. Ah, good times...
Awww... but I liked the Hannemann aspect of the monkey for Cayden.
no ones said that they couldn't have more than one sacred animal, yet.
no ones said that they couldn't have more than one sacred animal, yet.
YAAR, can I be the one to say it then?
Do the Eldest have any sacred animals?
Dweomercat probably, or thylacine
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I may have my bard get a pet monkey anyway, and say it's because monkeys are sacred to Cayden Cailean. Ah, good times...
Awww... but I liked the Hannemann aspect of the monkey for Cayden.
Hanuman is an ascetic, though a somewhat playful one.
You are thinking of Sun Wukong, who is essentially his mythical cousin. It doesn't matter either way - I think both dogs and non-ascetic monkeys work well with the god of drinking and friendship.
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Cayden Cailean: monkey
Cayhounds is great and all, but monkey means that drunken poop throwing, peeing on yourself for lulz, coitus just because and all sorts of other fun are now religiously sanctioned behaviors for Caydenites. My barbarian is all aquiver with excitement.
I may have my bard get a pet monkey anyway, and say it's because monkeys are sacred to Cayden Cailean. Ah, good times...I found a picture of Cayden Caillean and his sacred monkey.
Awesome.
Probably, but I'm not sure off the top of my head what they are...Do the Eldest have any sacred animals?
Dweomercat probably, or thylacine
Or a plant for the Green Mother, a carnivorous one like the Venus Flytrap
The list of sacred ritual plants and shrooms:
Shelyn - rose
Zon Kuthon - wolfsbane
Calistria - apple
Sarenrae - poppy
Sarenrae : sunflower
Cayden Cailean : hop
Aroden: Lemming
Irori = lotus
Sarenrae: flamingo?
Milani: Fox. (Or a pig, but not the nasty Napolean kind, the somewhat nicer Snowball kind.)
Abadar: horse
Shelyn: cat
Wouldn't that be a bird? The cat would eat her holy symbol.
Aroden: Lemming
I don't concern myself with animals, except for their paragon. My "mascot", if you will, is Man.
What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals!
I don't concern myself with animals, except for their paragon. My "mascot", if you will, is Man.What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god!
And in anger, how like a demon!
Cool stuff. I could see this being included if Paizo ever puts out a ´pet/companion´ focused product, with rules for animal companions and familiars, but also with more support for ´non-class feature´ pets/mounts that people acquire/train by various means. Divine-tie in´s seem like a cool way to further broaden the appeal of such a product...
Shouldn't Nethys have two sacred animals? One associated with his positive side and one associated with his negative side - cat for positive side and venomous snake for negative or generic snake for positive and something really nasty for negative.
Here is a question for you james, for evil deities, or any other deities that demands sacrifices of any sort, would their holy animal be off limits or preferred animal to sacrifice in honor of the deity?
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It makes sense except for Rovagug, I would argue.
(Or Tharizdun, Erythnul,...)
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Also, I just thought of this: In FR Lolth demands her Drow to sacrifice other Drow to Her as a show that Lolth is most important to the Cleric. A Matron Mother must occassionally sacrifice her child or lover, for example.
But a Drow Priestess of Lolth would be more attached to her favorite Giant, awakened Spider than her lover or son.
So why wouldn't Lolth occassionally demand the sacrifice of the Priestess' favorite cool spider?!?
And, back to this Thread, couldn't that same logic apply to Lamashtu, for example?
In threading the gaps of relgious dogma between the big E's and the fluffy G gods/goddesses...
Evil gods may have significant or important animals, but I don't think they would get overly bummed out about them being sacrificed. That could be the reason Asomdeus favors goats. They make good sacrifices in the absence of intelligent creatures. Zon-Kuthon might like it when Ozzy Ozbourne bites the heads off bats...etc.
Good deities I could see having more of an investment in the continued livelihood of their totem/mascot animals. So someone that beats dogs and mistreats monkeys could draw some negative attention from Cayden.
Neutral deities are probably more of a case by case or situation by situation basis. Dirty dirty neutrals...with their moral ambiguity and pacman videogames.
Pharasma and Whippoorwills? Ha. I played Werewolf the Apocalypse for years where Whippoorwill was a evil totem (the actual bird wasn't evil, but a evil spirit killed Whippoorwill the spirit and stole his identity)... Best way to scare the bejeesus out of a werewolf (and probably get eviscerated? Imitate a whippoorwill.
Pharasma and Whippoorwills? Ha. I played Werewolf the Apocalypse for years where Whippoorwill was a evil totem (the actual bird wasn't evil, but a evil spirit killed Whippoorwill the spirit and stole his identity)... Best way to scare the bejeesus out of a werewolf (and probably get eviscerated? Imitate a whippoorwill.
Whippoorwills were since ancient times associated with death and dying. There are many real world myths that either ascirbe stealing souls of the dying or just escorting souls of the dead to afterlife.
I think that Whippoorwill totem original performed that function before being usurped by its corrupted counterpart, in fact. Or its association with death was responsible for letting corruption in and allowing for usurpation.
So someone that beats dogs and mistreats monkeys could draw some negative attention from Cayden.That's my next T-shirt;
"Cayden sez, don't touch your monkey!"
Ya lil' monkey-spanker! Tiax will slap you silly!
Ya lil' monkey-spanker! Tiax will slap you silly!So someone that beats dogs and mistreats monkeys could draw some negative attention from Cayden.That's my next T-shirt;
"Cayden sez, don't touch your monkey!"
Or maybe. "Cayden sez,'Don't touch the monkey until its liberated!'"
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They do... but we haven't really published those animals in print yet. Many of the deities come from my homebrew world originally, and I have more detailed accounts of their "sacred animals" in those documents. Those documents, alas, are squirreled away at home.
So working kind of by memory, and kind of by hunch... here's a list of the sacred animals of the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea Region:
Abadar: horse
Asmodeus: goat
Calistria: wasp
Cayden Cailean: monkey
Desna: butterfly
Erastil: stag
Gorum: aurochs bull
Gozreh: all animals
Iomedae: falcon
Irori: tiger
Lamashtu: jackal
Nethys: owl
Norgorber: spider
Pharasma: whippoorwill
Rovagug: scorpion
Sarenrae: dove
Shelyn: cat
Torag: bear
Urgathoa: fly
Zon-Kuthon: bat
Hey, I know it's been awhile since you've posted this, but I'm fairly new to Pathfinder. Since you've put this online, I'm curious as to what you would think a suitable animal companion would be for a druid of Desna (or the Black Butterfly) would be, specifically in game terms. Or at the the very least, a reasonable alternative. I like the butterfly idea, but how in the world would that be expressed specifically as an animal companion? Attacks? AC? Stats? Just curious. Thanks!
JK
Brigh's sacred animal is the moth. (If you don't get it, look up the Harvard Mark II.)
Many of the deities come from my homebrew world originally, and I have more detailed accounts of their "sacred animals" in those documents. Those documents, alas, are squirreled away at home.
Speaking of which, who is the squirrel deity?
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Hey, I know it's been awhile since you've posted this, but I'm fairly new to Pathfinder. Since you've put this online, I'm curious as to what you would think a suitable animal companion would be for a druid of Desna (or the Black Butterfly) would be, specifically in game terms. Or at the the very least, a reasonable alternative. I like the butterfly idea, but how in the world would that be expressed specifically as an animal companion? Attacks? AC? Stats? Just curious. Thanks!
JK
I am not James, but the Animal Archive lists animals associated with various gods on the back cover, and for Desna, it's; Butterflies, moths, caterpillars, owls, sparrows, dragonflies and messenger birds.
Of those, owls fit under the 'Bird' category of a druids animal companion choices. (And work thematically, being flying nocturnal beasties, even if Desna is more of a bug-lady than a bird-lady.) You could flavor it up a bit more, if your GM approves, of having a specific species of Varisian owl that has markings on it's wings reminiscent of the luna moth or a blue-black butterfly (which shouldn't hinder it's ability to function stealthily at night, since it's prey rarely see it coming, and would generally only see it's drab underside anyway...).
A giant butterfly or luna moth might be thematic and cool looking as heck, but you'd have to stretch it off-theme a bit to make it a viable companion, since butterflies aren't renowned for their combat abilities. (You could use giant wasp stats, from Ultimate Magic 37 as a base, and maybe even flavor it as a giant venomous biting butterfly to match the giant wasp stats to your 'giant butterfly companion,' since a dog or wolf sized butterfly is already playing it fast and loose.)
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I am not James, but the Animal Archive lists animals associated with various gods on the back cover, and for Desna, it's; Butterflies, moths, caterpillars, owls, sparrows, dragonflies and messenger birds.
Of those, owls fit under the 'Bird' category of a druids animal companion choices. (And work thematically, being flying nocturnal beasties, even if Desna is more of a bug-lady than a bird-lady.) You could flavor it up a bit more, if your GM approves, of having a specific species of Varisian owl that has markings on it's wings reminiscent of the luna moth or a blue-black butterfly (which shouldn't hinder it's ability to function stealthily at night, since it's prey rarely see it coming, and would generally only see it's drab underside anyway...).
A giant butterfly or luna moth might be thematic and cool looking as heck, but you'd have to stretch it off-theme a bit to make it a viable companion, since butterflies aren't renowned for their combat abilities. (You could use giant wasp stats, from Ultimate Magic 37 as a base, and maybe even flavor it as a giant venomous biting butterfly to match the giant wasp stats to your 'giant butterfly companion,' since a dog or wolf sized butterfly is already playing it fast and loose.)
That's a great start. I'll see what I can come up with from there. I like the owl idea with the markings. Thanks again!
So, apparently each deity has their own holy symbol, favoured weapons, special spells, and favourite ways of making their will known. Do the Golarion deities each have their own favoured animal/creature (ie: Desna - Swarm of Butterflies)?
If there isn't anything official, do any of the Golarion junkies out there have suggestions for what animal (lets try to choose animals preferably, maybe a magical beast if nothing else will work) would most likely be the favoured animal of each deity? I'm mostly looking at this from a perspective as to what would be thematically appropriate Animal Companions to use for each of the deities if chosen through the animal domain feature or for a character who worships one of the deities as their primary deific patron.
They do... but we haven't really published those animals in print yet. Many of the deities come from my homebrew world originally, and I have more detailed accounts of their "sacred animals" in those documents. Those documents, alas, are squirreled away at home.
So working kind of by memory, and kind of by hunch... here's a list of the sacred animals of the core 20 deities of the Inner Sea Region:
Abadar: horse
Asmodeus: goat
Calistria: wasp
Cayden Cailean: monkey
Desna: butterfly
Erastil: stag
Gorum: aurochs bull
Gozreh: all animals
Iomedae: falcon
Irori: tiger
Lamashtu: jackal
Nethys: owl
Norgorber: spider
Pharasma: whippoorwill
Rovagug: scorpion
Sarenrae: dove
Shelyn: cat
Torag: bear
Urgathoa: fly
Zon-Kuthon: bat
Looking at Inner Sea Gods now and this is close, and for Mr. Jacobs' homebrew, may well be spot on, but by the book he missed a few;
Abadar: Monkey
Asmodeus: Serpent
CaydenCailean: Hound
Gorum: Rhino
Iomedae: Lion
Irori: Snail
Nethys: Zebra
Shelyn: Songbird
Torag: Badger