Proof that Pathfinder Elves don't sleep


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While picking spells for my BBEG sorcerer, I was reading the text for Nightmare. The last paragraph states:

Nightmare wrote:
Creatures who don’t sleep (such as elves, but not half-elves) or dream are immune to this spell.

There is, however, no such text referencing Elves under the Dream spell.

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Waffle_Neutral wrote:

While picking spells for my BBEG sorcerer, I was reading the text for Nightmare. The last paragraph states:

Nightmare wrote:
Creatures who don’t sleep (such as elves, but not half-elves) or dream are immune to this spell.
There is, however, no such text referencing Elves under the Dream spell.

thats just a vestigial leftover from 3.5


No wonder marriages between elves and humans seldom last long. Could you imagine being bored out of your mind for six to ten hours a day while your significant other lies there snoring like a slob?


Waffle_Neutral wrote:

While picking spells for my BBEG sorcerer, I was reading the text for Nightmare. The last paragraph states:

Nightmare wrote:
Creatures who don’t sleep (such as elves, but not half-elves) or dream are immune to this spell.
There is, however, no such text referencing Elves under the Dream spell.

It has been stated on several occasions that Golarion elves do sleep, but that the generic pathfinder elf (as presented in the Core rulebook) was left intentionally vague so you can play it however you like.

Leftover 3.5 wording aside, there's no evidence either way. By design.


Bruunwald wrote:
No wonder marriages between elves and humans seldom last long. Could you imagine being bored out of your mind for six to ten hours a day while your significant other lies there snoring like a slob?

Woaah, I would feel the reverse! I always tried to stay up late with my ex-fiancee just to get some time for myself. Me not having to sleep would have been fantastic for our relationship. Maybe not worth those pointy ears, but anyway!


That no evidence either way idea is funny.

It doesn't tell you that dwarves have an extra eye in their belly button. That doesn't mean they don't! :P

Throw off your shackles of the past and embrace the sleeping elves. And not in that way, okay! You know what I mean.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
Throw off your shackles of the past and embrace the sleeping elves. And not in that way, okay! You know what I mean.

Too late.

*cue saxophone music, obligatory mist fountain, and audio eroticism*


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"They climbin' in your window, snatchin' your [sleeping elf] people up..."


"Some spells restrict you to willing targets only. Declaring yourself as a willing target is something that can be done at any time (even if you're flat-footed or it isn't your turn). Unconscious creatures are automatically considered willing, but a character who is conscious but immobile or helpless (such as one who is bound, cowering, grappling, paralyzed, pinned, or stunned) is not automatically willing." <link>

"Polymorph

This spell transforms a willing creature into an animal, humanoid or elemental of your choosing; the spell has no effect on unwilling creatures, nor can the creature being targeted by this spell influence the new form assumed (apart from conveying its wishes, if any, to you verbally)."

...can't sleep, wizard make sexy again... can't sleep, wizard make sexy again... can't sleep...

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Bruunwald wrote:
No wonder marriages between elves and humans seldom last long. Could you imagine being bored out of your mind for six to ten hours a day while your significant other lies there snoring like a slob?

Can you imagine what you could get *done* in an extra 6-8 hours a day?! That's another full time job.

I would feel sorry for my poor, poor bed-ridden SO. But I assure you, I would *not* sit around bored.

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I'd get soooooo much TV watching done!

Scarab Sages

yeah elves would just watch TV... why do something in the extra 6 hours a day when you've got and extra 600 years.... =) Kinda a funny way to live. I'd get bored fast.


In my setting, elves don't have to sleep, but many choose to do so when they grow bored with whatever might be going on, and some sleep as a hobby (dreaming is a fascination with some of them). (My fey creatures in general are like this, actually.)


I never bought into the whole elves don't need sleep thing. Not sure where it originally came from. I've houseruled for years that even if they aren't sleeping, they need to be resting, in a way that is mechanically ientical to sleeping.


Bruunwald wrote:
No wonder marriages between elves and humans seldom last long. Could you imagine being bored out of your mind for six to ten hours a day while your significant other lies there snoring like a slob?

I would leave my spouse asleep and use the extra time work/gaming etc.

p.s. Ten hours?? Really? I'd love the option to sleep for ten hours IRL. Are you employed? If so I want your job. Just saying.


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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Bruunwald wrote:
No wonder marriages between elves and humans seldom last long. Could you imagine being bored out of your mind for six to ten hours a day while your significant other lies there snoring like a slob?

I would leave my spouse asleep and use the extra time work/gaming etc.

p.s. Ten hours?? Really? I'd love the option to sleep for ten hours IRL. Are you employed? If so I want your job. Just saying.

I sleep Ten to 12 hours a day.

I'm employed, I just go to bed earlier if I work earlier.

Former VP of Finance

Karjak Rustscale wrote:

I sleep Ten to 12 hours a day.

I'm employed, I just go to bed earlier if I work earlier.

7:30am or hour seven rolls around and my eyes pop open like clockwork. Doesn't matter how tired I may still be.


Chris Self wrote:
Karjak Rustscale wrote:

I sleep Ten to 12 hours a day.

I'm employed, I just go to bed earlier if I work earlier.
7:30am or hour seven rolls around and my eyes pop open like clockwork. Doesn't matter how tired I may still be.

Me too! Well, I wake up around 8 or 8:30, but it's the same deal. I just wake up kinda sudden like. I also get sleepy around 11, 11:30, though. "Like clockwork."

But if I don't have anything to do on that particular day, I am prone to roll around and try to get back to whatever dream I was having. :D And there are those nights where, no matter how sleepy I am, my mind is just too preoccupied to let me sleep.

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