Cause it's no longer supported; the rules system does still exist (looking at Devil's Advocate) so I think the present tense is warranted. :P
It still doesn't change the fact that the systems are still close enough to be compatible.
If you plan on mixing the two you need to triple check anything 3.5 to avoid, unintended stacking or over powered combos. ex allowing a TWF archetype to take oversized TWF from ultimate warrior and then reduce his TWF penalties to zero.
First Yeah I know.
Secondly it was a example of unintended stacking not overpoweredness, I don't think its overpowered.
Third I haven't run such a game but I do have a player who if I did would have to submit his build in triplicate levels 1-20 for review weeks ahead this guy is that good at breaking a system. Yes I check him over in PF, and it can get bad there, If i give him access to even the complete line from 3.5 its only gonna get worse.
I'm not saying it can't work but it does require a more watchful eye depending on your players.
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I'm not willing to comb the entire thread, but is there a compilation of these rules that people can easily find and later access?
Here's one, in the CRB Combat chapter (p. 199), that I found and never noticed before:
Performing a Combat Maneuver... Unless otherwise noted, performing a combat maneuver provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of the maneuver. If you are hit by the target, you take the damage normally and apply that amount as a penalty to the attack roll to perform the maneuver.
I always applied d20 + CMB against CMD. But if I'm hit while trying to use a maneuver, then I'm penalized on the roll. And this also applies when monsters try to use maneuvers against me.
This last one is more of a suggestion for the next errata...
The same paragraph quoted above there is a +4 bonus to the combat maneuver's attack roll, if the target is stunned. In the CRB glossary, the "Stunned" condition does not mention this. There should be a way to make this harder to miss (perhaps make it a -4 penalty to CMD).
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Omg I've read this thread start to finish.
Horse companions can easily have 3 primary attacks.
From the FAQ
A: (James Jacobs 11/25/09) War trained is actually detailed in the description of the Handle Animal skill. Of course, there it's called "Combat Training." It's one of the "general purpose" trainings you can give an animal. Horses in particular gain a special benefit once they're combat trained-their hooves are from that point treated as primary weapons, not secondary ones. In any case, once the Cavalier goes to print, the language in the class about "war trained" will be cleaned up. [Source]
The Heal skill can actually heal up hit points. You'd be surprised how many people thought it was only for diseases and caltrops.
In 3.5E, a charge attack had to be made "directly toward the designated opponent". But in Pathfinder, there's no such requirement.
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In 3.5E, a charge attack had to be made "directly toward the designated opponent". But in Pathfinder, there's no such requirement.
Huh?
"You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. (Core Rulebook 198)"
Or are you arguing that 'may' modifies the clause 'directly towards the designated opponent'? That sure doesn't seem the intent considering the next paragraph states: "You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent."
In 3.5E, a charge attack had to be made "directly toward the designated opponent". But in Pathfinder, there's no such requirement.Huh?
"You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. (Core Rulebook 198)"
Or are you arguing that 'may' modifies the clause 'directly towards the designated opponent'? That sure doesn't seem the intent considering the next paragraph states: "You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent."
I don't know what I'm saying. :-)
I looked it up before and I couldn't find the words "directly towards" but now I see it's obviously there. I have no explanation for my confusion. :-)
I just got blindsided by this, but a wizard can choose divination as one of his opposing schools.
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For those that are still following the old 3.5 rule, in Pathfinder clerics can leave empty slots when they prey the first time in a day and fill them later.
Discovering this was a surprise for me today.
They could in 3.0 and 3.5, too, just wasn't as obvious, and they usually o not have as muh advantage to do so as a Wizard.
I just got blindsided by this, but a wizard can choose divination as one of his opposing schools.
I am assuming that's bad because of Read Magic being in the Divination school and all of the fun that ensues as a result?
The reason you couldn't do it before was Read Magic and not being able to prepare opposition slots. Since you can do that now, you can use div as an opposition school.
You can make a five foot step as part of a Readied action as long as you haven't moved that turn.
In 3.5E, a charge attack had to be made "directly toward the designated opponent". But in Pathfinder, there's no such requirement.Huh?
"You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. (Core Rulebook 198)"
Or are you arguing that 'may' modifies the clause 'directly towards the designated opponent'? That sure doesn't seem the intent considering the next paragraph states: "You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent."
How ever he thought he interpreted it, the "MAY" was referring to the double movement part.
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What a great thread! Lots of surprises - things I overlooked or assumed were the same as before, etc. I've played all versions of D&D (version 4 excluded) since I started at the age of 5, so perhaps that's my excuse :o)
I'm not sure if Telodzrum is still maintaining his copy, but the latest printing of the Core rules changed spellcraft. Specifically, this current entry in the list (emphasis mine):
4. Wizards learning new spells require time and a Spellcraft check. If the Spellcraft check fails, it cannot be tried again until the wizard gains a rank in Spellcraft. The wizard may Take 10 on the Spellcraft check.
is now changed by this (ditto):
If you fail to learn a spell from a spellbook or scroll, you must wait at least 1 week before you can try again.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/spellcraft.html
I also have to repeat the mention of that particular rule regarding spell preparation. I never knew that a spell caster could keep slots empty and spend 15 minutes later filling them up again. Found that out for the first time on Sunday while reading Tark's Big Holy Book of Clerical Optimization. Blew me away :o) Yay for reducing Vancian magic limitations!
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Dotty.
If you start a full attack, you can choose to stop after the first one so that it's just a normal attack standard action, and then you can still take a move action.
Also, you can distribute the attacks in a full attack among any number of foes however you choose.
Add to that that if you are taking iterative attacks (Not two or multi-weapon fighting), you can choose which weapon to use with any iterative attack at no penalty.
For example, if a half-orc monk had a bite attack, IUS, a +1 keen temple sword in his left hand, and a +1 ghost touch dagger in his right hand, he could use any or all of them in combination in a standard iterative attack.
If he were level 15 (+11 BAB), he'd have 3 iterative attacks, and could make any of the following legally...
Kick to an ogre, sword chop to a drow, and dagger to a ghost.
Sword chop to an ogre, sword chop to a drow, dagger to a ghost.
Bite to an ogre, sword chop to a drow, dagger to a ghost.
Kick to an ogre, bite to a drow, dagger to a ghost.or any other combination, as long as the first attack was made at +11, the second at +6, and the third at +1.
Wait, what? So you can technically TWF without using either the feat or the actual TWF rules, you just don't get the additional attacks? And how does this work when you actually are using TWF rukles?
Also aren't natural attacks limited to one extra attack at -5 BAB (-2 if multiattack feat) in addition to any regular weapon attacks you make, as long as you use manufactured weapons?
How to scaled or amphibian creatures use animate hair?
Seeing how hair is basically just dead skin scales i would say individual scales, quills or skin cells on their head extend to do the work.
I'll need to dot this thread, just so I'll know which things to houserule.
Spontaneous casters apply metamagic as a full round, not 1-round.
"Casting a Metamagic Spell : Sorcerers and bards must take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than a regular spell. If a spell's normal casting time is 1 standard action, casting a metamagic version of the spell is a full-round action for a sorcerer or bard (except for spells modified by the Quicken Spell feat, which take 1 swift action to cast). Note that this isn't the same as a spell with a 1-round casting time. Spells that take a full-round action to cast take effect in the same round that you begin casting, and you are not required to continue the invocations, gestures, and concentration until your next turn. For spells with a longer casting time, it takes an extra full-round action to cast the metamagic spell.
Clerics and druids must take more time to spontaneously cast a metamagic version of a cure, inflict, or summon spell. Spontaneously casting a metamagic version of a spell with a casting time of 1 standard action is a full-round action, and spells with longer casting times take an extra full-round action to cast."
Ray of enfeeblement was meant to be a penalty (as it's the example of ability penalties in this FAQ).
Spells and Critical Hits: A spell that requires an attack roll can score a critical hit. A spell attack that requires no attack roll cannot score a critical hit. If a spell causes ability damage or drain (see Special Abilities), the damage or drain is doubled on a critical hit.
Since Ability Penalties are a separate thing in PF that just mimic the effects of ability damage (to the point where they had to edit the FAQ above to avoid mixing up ability penalties and damage), and ability penalties are not listed in the "spells and critical hits" section, I don't think will be multiplied on a critical hit.
The Keen / Improved Crit thing was a 3.5 thing too... There was something about Kukris that got a bit ridiculous :)
The Keen / Improved Crit thing was a 3.5 thing too... There was something about Kukris that got a bit ridiculous :)
No, it was 3.0 thing so 3.5 can't stack them. SKR has a blog about it.
Pathfinder continued it.The reason was Crit become less special because they commonly occur. That was it.
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Three things I didn't know.4) only spells tat deliver some kind of damage can get a critical (no bull strength critical, sorry) and it should not be a effect giving penalty (like ray of enfeeblement).
Correction, my understanding on the RAW says that spells like enfeeblement can crit because they can do damage, its just to abilities rather than hit points.Touch Attacks: ... You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage.
While Ray of enfeeblement calls it a penalty this is a hangover from other versions. The below I think clarifies itL
Ability Score Damage
Diseases, poisons, spells, and other abilities can all deal damage directly to your ability scores. This damage does not actually reduce an ability, but it does apply a penalty to the skills and statistics that are based on that ability.
Unless theres RAW to the contrary my belief is spells that cause penalties are temporary ability damage and there for able to crit.
On another note I'm surprised no ones mentioned yet that Keen and improved critical no longer stack. This might be a 3.5 change but I don't recall.
Also the damage for katanas have changed IIRC.
Faerie fire is now a druid only spell but a huge bane to rogues.
Latern Archons are only a MS3 summon get a ranged touch attack that specifically bypasses ALL damage reduction.
Please don't mangle citations. I am fairly sure that ray of enfeeblement don't critic and don't like to be assigned the opposite position by a bad citation.
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I cast resurrection!
Found this out on Friday. If you have a reach weapon and attack someone non-adjacent to you while there is a creature between you and the victim, they get soft cover against your attack. This is a big deal because it means you cannot take attacks of opportunity against people with soft cover to you. Of course, for creatures at Huge+, it's harder to pull this off since they have more squares to choose as the source of their attacks and could bypass your cover.
Even worse, there are no feats or stuff to help you with reach weapons unlike with ranged weapons´s precise shot and improved precise shot.
The only thing there possibly helping are combat expertise, gang-up and outflank, if your mates have that too.
That´s especially bad because 2. row you´re probably something like a cleric or maybe rogue and you are forced to take combat expertise and also have perhaps problems hitting.
It takes two rolls, a Knowledge(Arcana) check followed by a Spellcraft check, to determine the specific qualities of a given magic item.
Rogues can use shields, despite not having proficiency. Buy a mithral Heavy Shield, and since it has no ACP, there's no attack penalty.
Use a Portable Hole (as a mobile lab/apartment) and Ring of Sustenance, along with Craft feats to make magic items and still adventure with the others, if you are a Wizard.
Apparently, ranged touch spells are subject to firing into melee penalties.
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What do I think most people don't know? How most of the lesser-used skills work. Appraise and Spellcraft, for example, are skills that allow you to know what most GM's I've had will just tell you anyway-- I've never had to roll to know what was in the treasure hoard. I've also never seen a GM actually make a Druid or Ranger make a Handle Animal check to control his companion, or even keep track of which tricks it knows.
Linguistics is another big one. People put ranks into it to learn languages, but when was the last time you actually ROLLED a Linguistics check?
More specifically, did you know that Linguistics can act as a psuedo-Bluff? You get a bonus "up to +10" to Bluff checks (to lie) if you have evidence of what you're claiming. You can use Linguistics to forge a document, then show it to your mark as "proof". The opposed check for Bluff is Sense Motive (which everyone and their dog has ranks in), while the opposed check to detect a forgery is Linguistics (most folks don't bother, and it's trained only), so with a little lead time this is practically a free +10 to Bluff.
I'll start.
A Bard doesn't need the Perform skill. The only performances that require it are Countersong and Distraction. Inspire Courage et al don't mention it at all, and you don't even need to use your primary artform when using it. It was intentionally left ambiguous so bards didn't have to keep on playing their instrument while using the performances. It's a free action to continue the performance.
Not strictly true; you left our versatile performance.
Eh?