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So, there won't be a JSA on New Earth or have ever existed in its continuity just like the Pre-Crisis days?Neither Barry nor Wally is married anymore? Gah... Just, whatever. I don't have enough rage in me.Back on the topic. It is funny we're talking about Steve Rogers (potential) sexism, when we have DC apparently deciding that marriage is bad. (Barry not Married, Wally not married, Lois and Clark not married, Heck if we see reboot Donna in some form, I'll bet the marriage to Terry Long is gone.) I also like how DC's explaination of the huge gaping holes they're leaving is 'it happened but not like you remember'. Kind of like Spiderman.
Maybe that's why DC is so 90's-like. Someone sold Warner Brothers to Mephisto. :-)
Well, Barry's not. We don't actually know Wally even exists yet so his marriage is definitely Schrodingered.
Also Earth 2 is coming back, with the JSA on it. This makes me happy. Given that the rest of the reboot brings on frothing nerd rage, it's not much, but it does.
That is the way it appears. Superman is the first superhero (although Batman has been around before him, he's just an urban legend). They've been very clear on this and dodged any question about the JSA. But it seems likely, yes, Earth Two is now JSA land again.
I'm actually ok with JSA getting their own world and continuity. I kind of think having one big universe is detrimental to some stories. Of course, many of my favorite comics are What If/Elseworlds.
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I was paying attention when Crisis on Infinite Earths collapsed the DC Multiverse into one history. It was seen as a Smart Move.
The problem with the JSA being on their own, parallel universe -- and the Marvel family on theirs, and Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, and Nightshade on theirs -- is that some of those characters were popular enough to suport their own book. And so every issue of Huntress' title had to have the same little blurb explaining that she's the daughter of Earth-2 Batman and Catwoman, and Earth-2 is a similar planet in the same space as Earth-1, just in a different vibratory mode, and so on. Huntress doesn't need that kind of exposition. Neither does Captain Marvel, or Power Girl, or Blue Beetle, or the All-Star Squadron.
And it's been nice to have the Garricks involved with the Flash family, without an elaborate scene of dimension-crossing.
What about Captain Marvel? Was there any mention of him in the new continuity or is he going to be an exclusive to Earth 5?
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What about Captain Marvel? Was there any mention of him in the new continuity or is going to be an exclusive to Earth 5?
The MArvel family has not been mentioned at all. Mary Marvel (in Dark Mary costume) did appear on the online cover of JLI but hasn't appeareed in later versions, including the printed teaser for all the new 52.
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I was paying attention when Crisis on Infinite Earths collapsed the DC Multiverse into one history. It was seen as a Smart Move.
The problem with the JSA being on their own, parallel universe -- and the Marvel family on theirs, and Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, and Nightshade on theirs -- is that some of those characters were popular enough to suport their own book. And so every issue of Huntress' title had to have the same little blurb explaining that she's the daughter of Earth-2 Batman and Catwoman, and Earth-2 is a similar planet in the same space as Earth-1, just in a different vibratory mode, and so on. Huntress doesn't need that kind of exposition. Neither does Captain Marvel, or Power Girl, or Blue Beetle, or the All-Star Squadron.
And it's been nice to have the Garricks involved with the Flash family, without an elaborate scene of dimension-crossing.
If it was up to me we would have 3-9 earths with different heroes in each. So Supes and Batman and the JLA in one and the Marvels along with say the JSA in another. Then you would have the time lines. Early timeline Batman and a younger Superman ect... later timeline Huntress and an older Oracle with the mystery of what happened to Batman. With little interaction betwixt the two except to wonder what happened in the interim. Oh and time line#3 the Legion timeline.
of course this would assume that the books had forethought and a limit to how long the stories would go. Plus that no matter how popular a character was, he/she/it could not escape fate.
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Just try and think of it as you would a new Justice League/Young Justice cartoon. They never followed original source material to letter either.
But this doesn't bother me. Young Justice is its own Earth, as is the DCAU. If I don't like the changes made to (say) Hawkgirl* in the DCAU, then I still have the comic books.
This is basically taking the DCU and making it worse.
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I stand by something I said awhile ago, which is if you wanted to "reboot" DC right, you'd just let the DCAU writers take over the comics.
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I stand by something I said awhile ago, which is if you wanted to "reboot" DC right, you'd just let the DCAU writers take over the comics.
Amen.
It is because of the DCAU I got exposed to Martian Manhunter, the Question, John Stewart, Hawkgirl, Static, etc. Heck, its' the DCAU that got me interested in Superman again. (And sorry, Kevin Conroy IS Batman.)
I was kind of sad to see how J'onn, Vic, and John weren't as neat as their DCAU counterparts.
Oh, and I like DCAU Amanda Waller better too :-)
Out of all that lot, which of those films will even be remembered in 10 years as one of the more thought provoking films of all time? My answer, it's only one of them, and it's not one of the Marvel films, and it's not one of the DC mainline titles. And it's not the Sean Connery one either.
For those who haven't figured it out it's the one based on one of the most seminal graphic novels ever...The Watchmen, even if it had an impact quite other than what it's author intended.
I'll take quality over quantity any time.
I hate to break it to you, but I don't think the Watchmen movie had any impact whatsoever. If you were a fan, it was a beautiful movie. If you were new to Watchmen, it was kind of meh. So while the Watchmen graphic novel can be said to have had a major impact, the movie's only real impact was perhaps getting a few more people to read the novel.
I'm fairly certain of all the super movies of the last decade, Dark Knight will be the most remembered in the years to come. Of course, so is Titanic, so quality isn't really a requirement for lasting fame.
What about Captain Marvel? Was there any mention of him in the new continuity or is going to be an exclusive to Earth 5?The MArvel family has not been mentioned at all. Mary Marvel (in Dark Mary costume) did appear on the online cover of JLI but hasn't appeareed in later versions, including the printed teaser for all the new 52.
On the one hand, I desperately want Captain Marvel and his family to get new stories. On the other hand, it might be better to leave them in limbo, considering how badly they've been screwed over the last few years.
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It's a contender but I'd warrant that most people who went to see the movie never heard of the comic.My vote is V for Vendetta.Out of all that lot, which of those films will even be remembered in 10 years as one of the more thought provoking films of all time? My answer, it's only one of them, and it's not one of the Marvel films, and it's not one of the DC mainline titles. And it's not the Sean Connery one either.
For those who haven't figured it out it's the one based on one of the most seminal graphic novels ever...The Watchmen, even if it had an impact quite other than what it's author intended.
I'll take quality over quantity any time.
Personally, I think never having heard of the comic is beside the point. V for Vendetta is eaily the film on that list that will have a lasting impact on anything at all. If for nothing else, 'Anonymous' (I assume everyone knows what/who Im talking about) adopting the mask as their own imagine puts it on the map in a way that no other comicbook movie I can think of has ever done before. Its affecting real life.
Yes, the comic may have been popular, but you didnt see this kind of stuff til after the movie, though that is likely cause Anonymous then had a visual interpretation of the mask.After that, Dark Knight, cause of Heath Ledger. As much as I love that movie, I realize Heath Ledger's death si what caused it to do so well in the box office.
Maybe then Watchmen, but the fact that they changed the ending so much, I think, hurts it in the long run.
My vote is V for Vendetta.It's a contender but I'd warrant that most people who went to see the movie never heard of the comic.
Since less people saw it than Watchmen, I would contend that most of the people who went to see it had heard of the comic.
I think V for Vendetta was a much better adaptation. It was very watchable even if you'd never read the book.
Even though most Americans only recognize the Guy Fawkes mask because they read a British comic, I think globally the mask is more well known for the original Guy Fawkes. Of course, he tried to blow up parliament, which is why his mask was chosen in the first pace for the comic.
I think you overestimate the impact that Heath Ledger's death had on the box office. The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was his actual last film, and it only made $7 million domestic, compared to Dark Knight's $533 mil. Dark Knight did well because everyone loves Batman.
My vote is V for Vendetta.It's a contender but I'd warrant that most people who went to see the movie never heard of the comic.Since less people saw it than Watchmen, I would contend that most of the people who went to see it had heard of the comic.
I think V for Vendetta was a much better adaptation. It was very watchable even if you'd never read the book.
Even though most Americans only recognize the Guy Fawkes mask because they read a British comic, I think globally the mask is more well known for the original Guy Fawkes. Of course, he tried to blow up parliament, which is why his mask was chosen in the first pace for the comic.
I think you overestimate the impact that Heath Ledger's death had on the box office. The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus was his actual last film, and it only made $7 million domestic, compared to Dark Knight's $533 mil. Dark Knight did well because everyone loves Batman.
Doctor Parnassus also saw a limited theater release. I was one of many who didn't get to see it in theaters because they weren't showing it in my area.
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Justice League #1 Review: The Future of the New DC Universe Starts Here
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Justice League #1 Review: The Future of the New DC Universe Starts Here
Yeah, I just read the issue.... I miss Grant Morrison and Howard Porter. I will give it till issue 12 though. GJ hasnt failed me with GL so he gets a year.
Is it just me, or with the final issue of Flashpoint did DC just
Honestly, that, right there, feels like a convenient out. The new DCU works, they never bring it up again. The new DCU doesn't work, and suddenly the mystery lady shows up and says "Congratulations, Barry! You did it! Now time is restored!" and POOF! We're back in the previous incarnation of the DCU, where there's more than one Flash and Batman didn't father Damien at the age of 15. Ta-da!
I mean, I may be completely wrong there, but that's what it feels like to me.
*Hugs jemstone* Thank you for giving me some hope. It's been a rare commodity.
*Hugs jemstone* Thank you for giving me some hope. It's been a rare commodity.
I live to serve. :)
(Also, edited my post to say "Barry," not "Wally." You can tell who my favorite Flash has been for years...)
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*Hugs jemstone* Thank you for giving me some hope. It's been a rare commodity.I live to serve. :)
(Also, edited my post to say "Barry," not "Wally." You can tell who my favorite Flash has been for years...)
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Oh, and isn't it convienent that he remembers the DCnU, the Flashpoint, but not the original?
Also...
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Oh, yeah. Very much so. I stand by my thoughts on my spoiler up above, as well. Re-reading it, that's really the only way I can see to take it.
I'm hopeful for the DCnU... and like others have said I'll give DC "so many issues" * to impress me (or not).
*What I mean by that...
And I'm very happy to learn that we will have a JSA (or would that just be JS ... since JLA is just "Justice League" now)? Eh... anyway... happy to have a Justice Society AND once again an Earth-2. (It's what I grew up knowing/reading/understanding etc).
Slight threadjack ... I've been trying out some other comics (not DC Comics) and I am liking Marvel's "Fear Itself" very much, and Dark Horse Comics "Angel & Faith" is really good. (issue #1 is out now). End threadjack.
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There was a reason Barry was picked to be a Blue Lantern.
Assuming he still was in the muddled mess of DCnU Blackest Night.
(Lets see. No Kara, no Conner, no Bart, no JSA undead maybe ma and pa Kent animated... Yeah, real clean break there DC)
Oh, and Bleeding Cool is reporting the strange woman from the end of Flashpoint is showing up in the new books.
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If JSA is on E2 there are some lingering threads: Hawkman. Blue Beetle. Jade. Are the Monitors going to start offing people again? Are they even around anymore?
I'd guess that they'd rely on Infinate Crisis work arounds. (Kyle to be the GL of Earth 8, Breech being the Human Bomb of Earth 8 if CoIE hadn't happened, etc.) So there could be a Earth 2 Dan Garret Blue Beetle, and Ted Kord just became Nu-Earth Blue Beetle, then Jamie took the name, etc.
Of course given they've chucked all of Hawkman's backstory. (putting MORE of Blackest Night/Brightest Day/Green Lantern in a mess) Who knows what they're doing.
Man, they must have a Barry Allen checklist with any world-altering story.
They just can't leave that dude alone!
Kill his wife. Turn him into a murderer. Kick him out of the Justice League. Kill him/Turn him into a bolt of lightning. Bring him back two decades later. Put him in the Justice League. Put evils of universe solely on his shoulders. Reboot universe. Take away his wife.
I have a really great idea for what happens next.
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Man, they must have a Barry Allen checklist with any world-altering story.
They just can't leave that dude alone!
Kill his wife. Turn him into a murderer. Kick him out of the Justice League. Kill him/Turn him into a bolt of lightning. Bring him back two decades later. Put him in the Justice League. Put evils of universe solely on his shoulders. Reboot universe. Take away his wife.
I have a really great idea for what happens next.
We'll, they could have him turn into a bad guy, have him wipe out the Speed Force Corps, and then try to reboot the universe again, only to have his hipper younger successor stop him and then later have him become the host for the Spectre... But they did that already. People are still whining.
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We'll, they could have him turn into a bad guy, have him wipe out the Speed Force Corps, and then try to reboot the universe again, only to have his hipper younger successor stop him and then later have him become the host for the Spectre... But they did that already. People are still whining.Man, they must have a Barry Allen checklist with any world-altering story.
They just can't leave that dude alone!
Kill his wife. Turn him into a murderer. Kick him out of the Justice League. Kill him/Turn him into a bolt of lightning. Bring him back two decades later. Put him in the Justice League. Put evils of universe solely on his shoulders. Reboot universe. Take away his wife.
I have a really great idea for what happens next.
That guy only had a younger successor, not a hipper one.
Bad writing, thy name is Marz.
Impressions from today's lot:
Behind a spoiler tag because I kind of rag on one of them a bit...
Swamp Thing - Well done! Seriously, I dug this.
Batgirl - Quite fantastic and I am loving Gail Simone's writing (natch).
JLI - About what I expected. Not groundbreaking (ooh, pun on the villain for the issue), and not terrible. Middle of the road. I like the extra attention to Booster's Legion flight ring in some panels.
Detective Comics - Holy Electric Awesome, Batman! Really dug this one.
Stormwatch - Um. Yeah. That happened. It's great how they reference us to an issue of Superman that hasn't been distributed yet. And unlike the Justice League book, they're starting us out in the present day and not bothering to give us any backfill! Awesome! (no, not really)
Action Comics - Really, Mister Morrison? "That ain't Superman!" REALLY? Oh, and look, Lex Luthor is once again terminally obsessed with the "alien" when he could be doing something to help the world. Bravo on your bold new direction. Oh, wait...
Actually. You're right. It's not Superman. What the heck are you up to?
I liked Action Comics #1. It's very very old school. Im interested to see what Grant is going to do with it. Especially since JMS just gave us an issue 1 with Superman: Earth One.
Interesting thought. I'm not really feeling much of a connection between Action #1 and Earth One, though. Time will tell, I suppose.
I'm still not very happy with Stormwatch. :(
Action, Detective, and Batgirl were excellent. Although I prefer a humbler Superman, I understand that they were going for a younger Man of Steel. Morrison has always been good IMHO, I'll see how things unfold.
Against my better judgement I did pick up Batwing. The artwork made me not even want to read it. There are no backgrounds, just characters against empty panels. Doesnt look like much by way of dialogue either with the exception of 2 or 3 pages in the whole book. Reminded me of McFarlane's early Spawn. All art, almost no writing, add weaker Batwing art on top of that. I predict a cancellation of this series sooner rather than later.
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Action, Detective, and Batgirl were excellent. Although I prefer a humbler Superman, I understand that they were going for a younger Man of Steel. Morrison has always been good IMHO, I'll see how things unfold.
Against my better judgement I did pick up Batwing. The artwork made me not even want to read it. There are no backgrounds, just characters against empty panels. Doesnt look like much by way of dialogue either with the exception of 2 or 3 pages in the whole book. Reminded me of McFarlane's early Spawn. All art, almost no writing, add weaker Batwing art on top of that. I predict a cancellation of this series sooner rather than later.
My problem with Batwing is that he's the only Bat for the entire continent of Africa. With that many countries and that much territory to cover, he's either going to have to be a bigger badass than Bruce, or he's going to very rapidly go bad, go insane, or some twist of fate, both.
Which of course brings up Bill/Congorilla's lecture from the last issue of Pre-Reboot Justice League, so I won't go on about it.
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I liked Action Comics #1. It's very very old school. Im interested to see what Grant is going to do with it. Especially since JMS just gave us an issue 1 with Superman: Earth One.Interesting thought. I'm not really feeling much of a connection between Action #1 and Earth One, though. Time will tell, I suppose.
I'm still not very happy with Stormwatch. :(
I havent been happy with Stormwatch since Warren Ellis got his filthy paws all over it and turned it into the prototype for the Ultimates.
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I'm still not very happy with Stormwatch. :(I havent been happy with Stormwatch since Warren Ellis got his filthy paws all over it and turned it into the prototype for the Ultimates.
Word. The old team of Winter, Battalion, Nautika, Flint, etc., etc. appeal to me far more than the Authority of Justice League knock-offs, the obligatory mouthy Brit (as vehicle for anti-American sentiment) and the dude from the Nike commercial with treads on his feat.
Although my favorite group introduced in Stormwatch was that butt-kicking Israeli superteam seen for one issue...
Action, Detective, and Batgirl were excellent. Although I prefer a humbler Superman, I understand that they were going for a younger Man of Steel. Morrison has always been good IMHO, I'll see how things unfold.
Against my better judgement I did pick up Batwing. The artwork made me not even want to read it. There are no backgrounds, just characters against empty panels. Doesnt look like much by way of dialogue either with the exception of 2 or 3 pages in the whole book. Reminded me of McFarlane's early Spawn. All art, almost no writing, add weaker Batwing art on top of that. I predict a cancellation of this series sooner rather than later.
Hey, Sunderstone, what's up?!?! :-D
I enjoyed Action Comics, which was surprising. I'm not a Grant Morrison fan by any means, as I think he's hopped up on drugs half the time and not nearly as amazing as he seems to think he is. I don't think the book will be half as interesting once he leaves the book, and I know he will. Batgirl...well, I'm a Spoiler fan, so that lets you know what I think of Barbara being back in the suit. I was a HUGE Oracle fan, and I think it's a bit of a cop out, but I understand that Barbara has many, many fans who prefer her as Batgirl. Ah well...
LOVED Batwing- I am something of a Batman Inc fan, and while I miss that book, and I don't think Batwing is ready to hold a book on his own yet, I'll pick up every issue. Quite a twist at the end.
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Just for fun, I've decided to review all 52 #1's, pretty much one issue a day, until the end of September. My reviews are on my personal blog (i.e. have nothing to do with Paizo), but I figure some of you would get a kick out of reading them.
You can find them HERE.
So far I've done Justice League #1 and Action #1. Later tonight I will post my third review, for Animal Man #1, which I think is in many ways the most interesting book of the week.
I've read all of the issues so far, and I think I'd rank them like this:
Excellent: Action Comics #1, Animal Man #1.
Decent: Justice League #1, Batgirl #1, Swamp Thing #1, Men at War #1, Justice League International #1, Stormwatch #1, Static Shock #1.
Needs Improvement: Green Arrow #1, Batwing #1, Detective Comics #1, OMAC #1.
Absolutely Awful: Hawk & Dove #1.
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Interesting thoughts on Justice League and Action Comics so far. The new Superman reminded me of the Golden Age Superman a lot and made me as excited about the things to come as you seem to be.
I'm looking forward to see what you will say about Detective Comics #1: Personally I liked it very much (maybe even more than Action Comics #1, but that may be just the Batman factor)
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My short review is that it didn't really take advantage of the "reboot" to do anything particularly new or interesting with the character, with Gotham, or with anything, really. I guess it's nice to see that Jim Gordon has red hair again and Dr. Arkham is still around, but beyond that... ennh.
I also think the artist needs to work a little on his sequential storytelling. I had to read a few sequences over again to completely understand what was happening. He's actually quite a good artist, but I'm not sure he's a great storyteller.
The issue just seemed like any ordinary filler issue of any era of Batman ever. Amusing, and a good way to pass 10 minutes, but nothing really special.