...Batwoman and Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E. are easily the best books of the week, and both would now take several bad issues in a row to fall off my pull list...
If you really like Batwoman, I'd highly recommend picking up the Batwoman: Elegy trade paperback, and the Batwoman #0 issue that came out several months ago. Both add more backstory to Kate and her family, and feature superb writing by Rucka and that gorgeous Williams art.
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It's mostly the Williams art I like. As I was reading it I was thinking to myself: I've seen this before, and I love it, but I can't quite remember where. And then a turn the page, and agent Cameron Chase is looking at me, and I'm like "duh".
Whatever happened to Dan Curtis Johnson? He wrote a couple of JLA one-shots and did Chase, and then sort of went off my radar. He was quite a good comics writer.
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Yeah to me Wintergreen was as integral to DS as Jarvis, Wong, Alfred, Kato.... Holy Crow! Why havent we ever commented on the Man Servant schickt before!? How many comics might have been saved if only they had Man Servants? It would have taken on a meaning for Power Girl, Zatanna and Birds of Prey (Although they did have Blue Beetle for a bit).Did they ever do a comic where all the manservants get together at a manservant convention and solve a crime together?
Because that would be cool.
I do know there was an Avengers issue that was an Inferno tie in where it was Jarvis going on a date. It was actually quite enjoyable.
(I also loved the Cap/Diamondback date issue of Captain America where the women in the Serpent Society were shadowing them stopping crimes and the like so they could have a quiet night.)
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Also, you'll probably want to check out Superboy, as Rose Wilson is a fairly significant character in this month's issue, and looks to possibly be one of the comic's main cast members, at least for a while.
Bleh, it's RWINO (Rose Wilson in Name Only) kind of like how this Superboy isn't Connor. :P
Next thing you know, they'll be making the Wall, the Twig. Oh, wait...
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Yeah to me Wintergreen was as integral to DS as Jarvis, Wong, Alfred, Kato.... Holy Crow! Why havent we ever commented on the Man Servant schickt before!? How many comics might have been saved if only they had Man Servants? It would have taken on a meaning for Power Girl, Zatanna and Birds of Prey (Although they did have Blue Beetle for a bit).Did they ever do a comic where all the manservants get together at a manservant convention and solve a crime together?
Because that would be cool.
Better if it was a cross company book.
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Yeah to me Wintergreen was as integral to DS as Jarvis, Wong, Alfred, Kato.... Holy Crow! Why havent we ever commented on the Man Servant schickt before!? How many comics might have been saved if only they had Man Servants? It would have taken on a meaning for Power Girl, Zatanna and Birds of Prey (Although they did have Blue Beetle for a bit).Did they ever do a comic where all the manservants get together at a manservant convention and solve a crime together?
Because that would be cool.
I do know there was an Avengers issue that was an Inferno tie in where it was Jarvis going on a date. It was actually quite enjoyable.
(I also loved the Cap/Diamondback date issue of Captain America where the women in the Serpent Society were shadowing them stopping crimes and the like so they could have a quiet night.)
I think that may be one of the few Captain America issues I may still have.
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Why is there a black man named Gary in the GL comic who is Hal's roommate? And then said roommate kicks him out/evicts him?
Not that I'm complaining, I'm just wondering. This can't be a coincidence. I may frame this issue if only because it's a dream come true.
Here's my New 52 Week 2 first impressions.
Batwoman and Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E. are easily the best books of the week, and both would now take several bad issues in a row to fall off my pull list.
I wasn't impressed at all with Batman & Robin, Grifter, Legion Lost (some cool costume updates in this, though), Mister Teriffic, and Superboy.
Among what was left, I was most impressed with Demon Knights and Green Lantern, but honestly everything else was at least decent.
I've been frothing at the mouth to get Batwoman back on the shelves, because I thought the entire Alice/Elegy story arc was one of the most intelligently written and moving pieces of writing I've seen come out of DC since... well... a very long time.
And I'm not going to lie - while I found Mister Terrific more than a bit over-ambitious (it's really trying to do too much in one issue), I giggled like a schoolgirl when I saw Karen Starr gracing its pages. True story.
Like. A. Schoolgirl.
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They made...
Amanda Waller...
Thin, young, and sexy.
(And about as intimidating as an anemic five year old with hay fever.)
I am officially giving up. That is all.
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They made...
Amanda Waller...
Thin, young, and sexy.
(And about as intimidating as an anemic five year old with hay fever.)
I am officially giving up. That is all.
In which book because if it was 9 1/2 years ago, and then they show an aged overweight, stressed and scary Amanda Waller... who gained weight because of dealing with so called Heroes; I for one would find that very entertaining.
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In which book because if it was 9 1/2 years ago, and then they show an aged overweight, stressed and scary Amanda Waller... who gained weight because of dealing with so called Heroes; I for one would find that very entertaining.They made...
Amanda Waller...
Thin, young, and sexy.
(And about as intimidating as an anemic five year old with hay fever.)
I am officially giving up. That is all.
New Suicide Squad. I prefer my Walls made of brick, not straw, thank you.
(hugs his DCAU DVDs)
In which book because if it was 9 1/2 years ago, and then they show an aged overweight, stressed and scary Amanda Waller... who gained weight because of dealing with so called Heroes; I for one would find that very entertaining.They made...
Amanda Waller...
Thin, young, and sexy.
(And about as intimidating as an anemic five year old with hay fever.)
I am officially giving up. That is all.
Nope, Suicide Squad is a modern day book. It even specifically references Detective Comics #1. Amanda Waller is clearly drawn to look like Angela Bassett with larger breasts, a lacy bra, and nipples poking against her blouse.
Admittedly, it's only one panel so there's lots of room for a fake-out (it's actually Waller's daughter, it's a fake, whatever), but the brief moment she's in the comic showed a character about as far opposite of the Wall as there can ever be.
I was very, very disappointed with the entirety of Suicide Squad #1. I really doubt I'll be picking it up again. Not just for the abomination they made out of Harley, but for the overall tone of the book and, yes, for the Younger Hipper Sexier Amanda Waller. Really not happy with it.
I did like that Legion Lost referenced "The Flashpoint Breakwall," but I'm guessing that they'll just bury it along with all other references to Flashpoint as the series moves forward.
Still not sure how they're justifying keeping Batman and GL continuity untouched while horking the rest of the DCU, but we'll see.
-Edit to add-
Also, was I the only one wondering what the heck was going on with Demon Knights #1? As a roleplayer, I can appreciate the "so you're in a bar when..." dynamic, but... just... what?
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Here is my take.
Balance of week 1.
OMAC - New person being empowered by Brother Eye, COOL.
Brother Eye's ambition, shades of Kil%gr%e?
Brother Eye controlling host when empowered who has no memory of what happened, uncool. That is what happened when Max Lord hijacked it from Batman. Never read origional comic, but I thought Buddy was in control.
Reserving judgement.
Green Arrow - Younger Oliver Queen, it works.
Corporate mogul who wants his company to do well while still patrolling (and in Paris no less), it works.
Has not become jaded anti-establishment super hero, very good. I never liked what they did to him the the 70's.
Support personel, interesting. Just don't go the way of Oracle or Punisher.
Very good, may continue reading.
Static Shock - Didn't read much of origional run.
Moving to New York, cliched. Why alway New York? What is wrong with other large cities like Chicago, Louisvile, St Louis, Dallas or Indianapolis?
Lair, cool. Why do people always need a hi-tech lair?
Villians, very nice. I just hope this isn't an iteration of the 100 that Rose and Thorn fought.
Week 2
Batman & Robin - Don't read bat books too often.
Damian, what an attidue. Its worse than Jason Todd's and people voted to let him die. Time to take him down a peg or two. Batman had to save him because he disobeyed an order.
Needs work.
Batwoman - Not much happened, boring. Terrible way to start. Hopefully it will pick up.
DEO, back for more. If there are no Earth-2 characters in this new timeline, where did Mister Bones come from?
Needs work.
Deathstroke - Intersting beginning. Looks like this is going to have some intrigue in it.
Looks like he has steady employment with some shadow group. Definately doesn't like competition.
Worth keeping an eye on.
Demon Knights - Madam Xanadu, Jason Blood and Etrigan, nice triangle there. But who is playing whom?
Shining Knight, is that a woman?
Mordru, sweet.
Definately worth reading.
Grifter - never read before.
Tried to be taken over by hive mind but only partially done, sounds familiar.
Framed into others thinking he is the villian, been there, done that.
Thinking he was passed out for 17 minutes, talks to girlfriend who says he has been gone 17 days, and at the end say he will try to find his miss 17 hours. I sense a pattern here.
Speaking of patterns, I have noticed 52 has come into play many times at DC over the last few years.
First was the 52 Weeks series that bridged the gap between Infinate Crisis and 1 Year Later.
While reading it there was mention by the Guardians and some people who were sensitive to changes in time mention 52 seconds were missing. People did not realize it happened because they just skipped over those seconds. Did this ever get explained or resolved.
The next 52 happened at the end of 52 Weeks where it is revealed there are 52 alternate Earths and Mister Mind alters many of them so they have different histories.
Then there was the Countdown. At first it was Countdown to 52, then changed to Countdown.
There was the 52 issue maxi-series Trinity.
Finally there is DC's New 52.
Speaking of the 52 alternate Earth, there are several that were never fleshed out. I say the New 52 is on one of them.
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I loved Green Lantern except.....
1. Hal Jordan channeling Brand New Day Peter Parker (insensitive schmuck) doest not work.
2. Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...
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Why is there a black man named Gary in the GL comic who is Hal's roommate? And then said roommate kicks him out/evicts him?
Not that I'm complaining, I'm just wondering. This can't be a coincidence. I may frame this issue if only because it's a dream come true.
I thought that guy was his landlord, not his roommate.
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I loved Green Lantern except.....
1. Hal Jordan channeling Brand New Day Peter Parker (insensitive schmuck) doest not work.
2. Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...
Some of the jargon in Men at War was so thick it's pretty clear to me that DC has some folks with military experience on the payroll already...
From Erik's blog:
With improving the ethnic diversity of the DCU a major goal of the New 52...
Which reminds me, how is this different than the One Year Later launch they did after Infinite Crisis six years ago? Most of the ethnic diversity in the new DCU seem to be characters created for expanded diversity then. Blue Beetle, Batwoman, the Atom, etc. Other than Batwing, are there any actual new characters in the new DCU lineup?
Because the more I think about it, the more it feels like the reboot is "One Year Later" but advertised better.
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From what I can tell, the new "diversity" characters are mostly in the background supporting cast, people like Andre Briggs in JLI or the computer hacker who helps Green Arrow.
But in addition to new characters, there's been much more of a spotlight on existing characters (especially blacks), many of whom are now headlining their own series or playing a very significant role in existing series.
• Cyborg is now a major player in the Justice League.
• Mr. Terrific has his own ongoing series.
• Static Shock has his own ongoing series.
• Batwing is a new character with his own ongoing series.
• OMAC's host is now an Asian male.
• At least part of Firestorm is black, and he's headlining an ongoing series.
• Apollo and the Midnighter in Stormwatch are gay.
• Batwoman is a lesbian.
Of these only OMAC's host and Batwing are really "new" characters, but they're front-and-center in ways that seem a little more prevalent than they have been before. The addition of the Milestone and Wildstorm universes (both more organically diverse than the traditional DCU) will probably help with this, too.
It's mostly the Williams art I like. As I was reading it I was thinking to myself: I've seen this before, and I love it, but I can't quite remember where. And then a turn the page, and agent Cameron Chase is looking at me, and I'm like "duh".
Whatever happened to Dan Curtis Johnson? He wrote a couple of JLA one-shots and did Chase, and then sort of went off my radar. He was quite a good comics writer.
He's an old friend of mine from college. (UC Santa Cruz.) I still run into him sometimes at Comicon.
I don't know what his current writing projects are but I can ask.
Batwing isn't that new. He appeared in a couple scenes on Batman Inc. Was probably going to become a character there even if the reboot hadn't happened.
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I don't know what his current writing projects are but I can ask.
From poking around his website it appears he wrote some stuff for Mongoose's Paranoia RPG.
Ask him if he likes Pathfinder! I'd love to have him write something for us!
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Batwing isn't that new. He appeared in a couple scenes on Batman Inc. Was probably going to become a character there even if the reboot hadn't happened.
Shows you what I know.
I've been Out of the Loop for the last several years, so my knowledge of the DCU is somewhat dated.
I don't know what his current writing projects are but I can ask.
From poking around his website it appears he wrote some stuff for Mongoose's Paranoia RPG.
Ask him if he likes Pathfinder! I'd love to have him write something for us!
He's an amazing Paranoia GM. I'll pass on the message.
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I posted elsewhere, but with Suicide Squad, Dc's 'diversity' annoys me.
"Look, all our super hot characters come in different pallates! Now you can have the same hot bodies in different colours."
Diversity is more than a colour wheel. I prefer my Amanda Waller more CCH Pounder than Hallie Berry, thank you.
DQ,MM, I pray you to be patient -this waller is clearly based off the one shown in the GL movie. Not my favorite interpretation by far, but I think that's where they are coming from more than any nod toward diversity.
That said, i found the book to be quite disappointing. I wanted to like Harleys new outfit.
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Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...
As an ex-Navy guy, I agree that you're right; the military does not just let uniformed personel go. (Although you can get an "admin sep" but that's a whole different thing.)
I believe that currently Hal is a civilian test pilot working for the USAF. He doesn't actually wear the uniform anymore. In which case the military WILL fire your butt if you go MIA (even if you're off planet saving the universe.)
Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...As an ex-Navy guy, I agree that you're right; the military does not just let uniformed personel go. (Although you can get an "admin sep" but that's a whole different thing.)
I believe that currently Hal is a civilian test pilot working for the USAF. He doesn't actually wear the uniform anymore. In which case the military WILL fire your butt if you go MIA (even if you're off planet saving the universe.)
I agree -to my knowledge he holds no rank in any armed forces, although he does work with them.
I agree -to my knowledge he holds no rank in any armed forces, although he does work with them.Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...As an ex-Navy guy, I agree that you're right; the military does not just let uniformed personel go. (Although you can get an "admin sep" but that's a whole different thing.)
I believe that currently Hal is a civilian test pilot working for the USAF. He doesn't actually wear the uniform anymore. In which case the military WILL fire your butt if you go MIA (even if you're off planet saving the universe.)
Following Green Lantern: Rebirth - which as far as I know is still canon and in-continuity (due to Johns being unwilling to give up GL Continuity for the reboot), Hal was reinstated as a Captain in the USAF and participates in the test pilot program out of Edwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#2000s
Which means his statement makes even less sense, unless by "let go" he means discharged...
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I agree -to my knowledge he holds no rank in any armed forces, although he does work with them.
Thanks! I wasn't 100% sure on that one after I wrote that and stopped to think about it.
I knew at one point he WAS a Captain in the USAF, but I thought he got out after repeated trouble with insubordination.I was pretty sure now he just worked with their Test Pilot Program.
Long time GL fan; not so good with decades of history. :)
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Hi, folks! Dan Curtis Johnson here - Kevin Murphy pointed this thread out so I thought I'd pop in. (As he says, we go back to college days - twenty years now!)
Hey, Dan! Great to hear from you!
Chase was one of my favorite series in all of comics. I really dug what you were doing with that book, and I think it was canceled way before its time.
I wanted to see more of the Justice Experience! :)
Anyway, congrats on the family. Here's hoping you get back into writing at some point during life when things mellow out a bit.
I'm glad to hear you're playing Age of Worms! As the primary architect of that campaign and the author of the first adventure, it makes me feel good to know that my creation gave you some good times.
Consider it payback for the great comics!
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Following Green Lantern: Rebirth - which as far as I know is still canon and in-continuity (due to Johns being unwilling to give up GL Continuity for the reboot), Hal was reinstated as a Captain in the USAF and participates in the test pilot program out of Edwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#2000s
Which means his statement makes even less sense, unless by "let go" he means discharged...
Superboy PUNCH!
Er... Flashpoint RETCON! :-)
Following Green Lantern: Rebirth - which as far as I know is still canon and in-continuity (due to Johns being unwilling to give up GL Continuity for the reboot), Hal was reinstated as a Captain in the USAF and participates in the test pilot program out of Edwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#2000s
Which means his statement makes even less sense, unless by "let go" he means discharged...
Superboy PUNCH!
Er... Flashpoint RETCON! :-)
If only it were that simple!
Remember, DC's on the record with the statement that all Batman and GL continuity remains inviolate.
Regardless, it seems, of the crazy timelines involved. :(
DQ,MM, I pray you to be patient -this waller is clearly based off the one shown in the GL movie. Not my favorite interpretation by far, but I think that's where they are coming from more than any nod toward diversity.
That said, i found the book to be quite disappointing. I wanted to like Harleys new outfit.
Nope. Patience has faded to a whisper of a ghost of a memory. Done.
Someone's recced me some good Marvel titles, and I'll look up some indies that sounded interesting. If I am feeling generous, I'll check on the DCU in a year and see what's being rebooted all over again at that point and reevaluate then.
Hal's comment about how the Air Force 'let him go' bugs me to now end. I am recently retired AF and they do not just 'let go' of thier personnel. Somebody needs to speak to Larry Hama before trying to write about military characters in the comics. Sigh...As an ex-Navy guy, I agree that you're right; the military does not just let uniformed personel go. (Although you can get an "admin sep" but that's a whole different thing.)
I believe that currently Hal is a civilian test pilot working for the USAF. He doesn't actually wear the uniform anymore. In which case the military WILL fire your butt if you go MIA (even if you're off planet saving the universe.)
I've referred to my discharge as "being let go". I was given a general discharge from the USAF in 2006 as part of the Force Shaping program. I didn't want the discharge, but I was told it was that or go into the Blue to Green program, and go back through basic training to go to the Army. So, it's rare, but the military does on occasion just let folks go.
DQ,MM, I pray you to be patient -this waller is clearly based off the one shown in the GL movie. Not my favorite interpretation by far, but I think that's where they are coming from more than any nod toward diversity.
That said, i found the book to be quite disappointing. I wanted to like Harleys new outfit.Nope. Patience has faded to a whisper of a ghost of a memory. Done.
Someone's recced me some good Marvel titles, and I'll look up some indies that sounded interesting. If I am feeling generous, I'll check on the DCU in a year and see what's being rebooted all over again at that point and reevaluate then.
Unfortunate. I truly enjoy discussing comics with you. Perhaps we can enjoy Avengers Academy, then.
I didn't read all 540 posts in the thread, but I just hope the reboot includes LGBT.
What if Superman and Batman were gay? And had sex with each other? That's the basic premise for Apollo and Midnighter, coming to you now in Stormwatch.
Batwoman is also gay, and there is a good story pre-reboot from her Detective Comics run that deals with her discharge from the Army (or was it Marines?) It's in the trade that just came out.
I doubt they are going to change the orientation of existing characters though.
I didn't read all 540 posts in the thread, but I just hope the reboot includes LGBT.What if Superman and Batman were gay? And had sex with each other? That's the basic premise for Apollo and Midnighter, coming to you now in Stormwatch.
Batwoman is also gay, and there is a good story pre-reboot from her Detective Comics run that deals with her discharge from the Army (or was it Marines?) It's in the trade that just came out.
I doubt they are going to change the orientation of existing characters though.
Apparently there'll be a gay latino joining the titans on issue three. At least on that aspect of diversity they're keeping their word.
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I didn't read all 540 posts in the thread, but I just hope the reboot includes LGBT. Tim Drake is the obvious choice =p
I restarted my subscription for Teen Titans and Catwoman for the reboot.
To be honest Coridan, that would be as offensive to me as making Amanda Waller hot and skinny, or making Batwoman straight.
Why change part of a character for sales (ratings)? I mean I don't mind Apollo or Midnighter being gay, or Kathy Kane for that matter. I mind changing characters for the sake of change, or headlines.
(aside, Jerico was originally designed as straight to play with the 'soft effiminant male must be gay' trope)
It's like with the Ultimates. 1616 Peter being gay introduced a new character. If you didn't like 'Gay Colossus' then you still had 616-Peter.
(second aside, I wish they'd stuck with the original plan for Rogue's birth parents in 6156)
What possible reason is there for changing a character's orientation besdies 'shock value'?
Edit: I've heard arguments that Tim's lack of physical intimacy with female characters and his close friendship with Kon-el 'say' he's gay. Why can't he just not be a horn dog and have a good friend? Why isn't abstinance 'diverse'?
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Tim was never a horn dog. I remember before the writers ruined Tim's life that he wanted to be with Ariana only after their wedding day. He always seemed a bit staid G me on that level, but that was part of his character. And again, regarding the wall, i really think they at basing get off the movie version moreso than an attempt to titillate.
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Tim was never a horn dog. I remember before the writers ruined Tim's life that he wanted to be with Ariana only after their wedding day. He always seemed a bit staid G me on that level, but that was part of his character. And again, regarding the wall, i really think they at basing get off the movie version moreso than an attempt to titillate.
I didn't mean to imply he was. I was saying why can't he just remain chaste (until he's married of course) and that not be seen as a sign of "He must be gay."
As to the Wall, I still think it's a strike against diversity. Sorry, I like the Wall, both the DCAU and the DCoU versions. Her mass (as her pre-flashpoint background indicates) is part of her character and personality. I look at 'Glam' Waller and see her getting into a catfight with someone like Spysmahser, rather than just intimidating her down in Secret Six like she did. She was a heavy female character who's weight wasn't an expression of her powers or a running joke.
To me, 'celebrate diversity' isn't making everyone a pallate swapped fashion model or just bedpartners. It's short (Wolverine) tall (Cyclops) skinny (Jubilee)* poor vision (Heather Hudson) fat (Waller)... y'know, diverse.
Also, I've heard the argument that kids 'can't relate' to married heroes. Um, huh? I will never get powers no matter how many radioactive spiders bite me, or how many gamma bombs I sit in front of. I (in theory) will grow and get get married and have kids. If part of being Superman is the helping others and fighting for 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way' that is the part kids can relate to. Fighting evil and doing right. Not being from Krypton. So why can't kids relate to and enjoy Lois and Clark? (Or Barry and Iris, or Peter and MJ for that matter) Why can't kids look at Roy and Liam and want to have the relationship she had with her father (or maybe insipre a single dad to be more like Roy Harper**)
Re-reading the orginal New Mutants***, I'm reminded why I liked the characters. They were teenage akwardness ramped up to 11. Trying to be comfortable with themselves, dealing with mistakes that eat at them, etc. Sure being a werewolf is a bit more rough than your first period, or being able to punch through a wall is more troublesome than acne, but who hasn't felt alone and isolated because they were different.
Sorry, still a sore topic with me.
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One of my favourite (Jim Lee drawn even!) scenes with Jubilee was when she looks at Betsy Braddock's busty Asian body, then at Tyger Tyger, then down at her own flat chest and sulked. In a world obsessed with body image, that made me laugh in painful understanding.
I think that was Black Widow, not Tyger Tyger, unless they recycled the joke. But yeah, that was a cool scene, and both added to Jubilee's characterization, and poked fun at the comic book convention of big busted superheroines.
Terra also would make snarky comments about Kory's chestiness, calling her 'golden globes' and 'balloon bod.'
Heather Hudson, drawn by Byrne as a flat-chested waif, was also a neat bit of diversity, in a comic-book universe where all women have more or less the same body type.
Heather Hudson, drawn by Byrne as a flat-chested waif, was also a neat bit of diversity, in a comic-book universe where all women have more or less the same body type.
I think that's more of an artifact of Byrne's style than anything else - check out Next Men for a plethora of female characters who are anything but typical heroic proportions... notably so.
I'd like to think that Coridan's use of the "=P" emoticon is just him being silly, but I have run into a rather large and vocal contingent of Tim/Kon 'shippers who get really really frustrated when it's pointed out that both of those characters have been established - rather firmly so - as being heterosexual and unlikely to have any "hidden agendas" when it comes to the other. When expressing their rage, they invariably point to the incredibly close relationship between the two of them - to which my answer is now and always has been that Tim and Kon aren't just friends, they're brothers. I saw many of the same claims, frustrations, and rages back when people were insisting that Brainiac 5 and Invisible Kid needed to be Outed and a couple - They couldn't just be incredibly close friends, they couldn't just really have a great relationship and consider each other family - no, they had to be in love, because that was the only "true" value their relationship could have. As Mr. Morris has said - changing a character's core personality and turning them into something they're not is just as insulting to the reader base as The Wall's weight loss, or a Batwoman who suddenly realized that she was heterosexual.
Tim is fine as Tim. He's shown plenty of interest in the ladies (Do I need to remind people about Stephanie and Cassie?), he's got a lot of Dead Father Issues, he's a better detective than Batman, and he is best friends and brothers with Superboy... well, Pre-Reboot Superboy. He's also a great leader, a good friend, and one day he'll be a great Batman because he knows all too well what it feels like to have the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Beyond that, really, well, just imagine me quoting everything that Mr. Morris said, up there.
I fear we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one... Actually, I don't think we're disagreeing on anything per se, the new wall is a sore point for you, i understand. I do think your going a bit monochromatic on what diversity is to you, but that's about it. I fondly remember Jubilees issues, and am an avid new mutants fan.