Can Prehensile hair hold a shield ?


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Says you can't use a weapon but is silent on a shield. its says holding something heavy dose not harm the witch's head or neck and with a STR score equal to your INT score it can easily hold a shield.

I would still assume the arcane spell failure would apply

but question is can you wield a shield with prehensile hair ?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

RAW: Yes, but you couldn't shield bash with it.

RAI: Probably not, the prehensile hair is more for utility (carrying a wand/potion or what have you) than combat effectiveness.

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Interesting...

Arcane spell failure is based on armour restricting somatic components, so holding anything with your hair shouldn't inflict any ASF (it's not like you can now move your hair any less than someone without prehensile hair...).

Using a +5 Tower Shield with your prehensile hair for a +9 bonus to AC? Yes... interesting...

And probably not RAI, but still... ;)


ProfPotts wrote:

Interesting...

Arcane spell failure is based on armour restricting somatic components, so holding anything with your hair shouldn't inflict any ASF (it's not like you can now move your hair any less than someone without prehensile hair...).

Using a +5 Tower Shield with your prehensile hair for a +9 bonus to AC? Yes... interesting...

And probably not RAI, but still... ;)

And not RAW either.

Holding a shield inflict ASF. Whether you hold it in your hand, your beard or tie it to your leg, them's the ASF.

Heck, not even an animated shield frees you from ASF. And you don't even need to tie it to your eyebrows.

Dark Archive

Mithral Bucklers should work and have no ASF.

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And not RAW either.

Holding a shield inflict ASF. Whether you hold it in your hand, your beard or tie it to your leg, them's the ASF.

Heck, not even an animated shield frees you from ASF. And you don't even need to tie it to your eyebrows.

Care to reference that? The animated shield calls out that it, specifically, still inflicts all penalties including ASF, but otherwise you only get ASF because armour /shields interfer with somatic gestures. Spells without a somantic component = no ASF, for example. (Page 150 of the Core book covers this).

The question then becomes, do you require your prehensile hair to be free of holding anything to still use a somatic component... I'd say no, you don't (otherwise, what's the point?).


ProfPotts wrote:
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And not RAW either.

Holding a shield inflict ASF. Whether you hold it in your hand, your beard or tie it to your leg, them's the ASF.

Heck, not even an animated shield frees you from ASF. And you don't even need to tie it to your eyebrows.

Care to reference that? The animated shield calls out that it, specifically, still inflicts all penalties including ASF, but otherwise you only get ASF because armour /shields interfer with somatic gestures. Spells without a somantic component = no ASF, for example. (Page 150 of the Core book covers this).

The question then becomes, do you require your prehensile hair to be free of holding anything to still use a somatic component... I'd say no, you don't (otherwise, what's the point?).

Yeah, I'm confused too. You don't have anything held in your hands, why are you being penalized for your hair holding a shield? I'd say yes, you can ignore ASF.


is the hair part of you? if it had been a third arm or prehensile tail would it have included asf? thevanswer is thevgame does bot care far vas I can tell how many limbs you have.

thevquestion is this and this answers thevhair question really. I have two arms free the left has a buckler the right noes not. I use my right hand to cast the spell. do I get asf? t think it's yes.


Mojorat wrote:

is the hair part of you? if it had been a third arm or prehensile tail would it have included asf? thevanswer is thevgame does bot care far vas I can tell how many limbs you have.

thevquestion is this and this answers thevhair question really. I have two arms free the left has a buckler the right noes not. I use my right hand to cast the spell. do I get asf? t think it's yes.

I have three arms free the top one has a buckler the other two i actually use to cast my spells with do not. No ASF


A shield also happens to be a weapon.


Rocketmail1 wrote:


Yeah, I'm confused too. You don't have anything held in your hands, why are you being penalized for your hair holding a shield? I'd say yes, you can ignore ASF.

For a better reason than being penalized for NOT holding a shield? (As in: animate shield). Whether it's a hand, animated hair or a tentacle, you are still holding it. If it was just having a hand free, why do you get ASF if you have a shield on one arm and the other hand free? You only need one free hand to cast spells, after all.

Answer: Because ASF is a game mechanic saying "if you are using a shield, you get this penalty". Trying to metagame it doesn't work. Especially not when considering the animate shield (as weird as that may be). You can house rule it all you want, of course, but that's irrelevant to the rest of us.


Regardless of the ASF, can you use the shield or not?


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...can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score. Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch). Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand.

It says you can carry items as if you had a STR = to your INT score.

You can manipulate objects as dexterously as a human hand.

So you should be able too reading it by RAW.

If you can use it to disable devices you should be able to hold a shield.

Another question, could you use the hair to Deflect Arrows if you had the Deflect Arrow feat? Yes I know it says 'hand' in deflect arrows, but your telling me that some tentacle armed monster couldn't bat away an arrow because it doesn't have hands....


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I'd say you can carry a shield, but you can't wield it because the hair can't wield weapons and a shield is a weapon. Ask BlackBloodTroll if you want an earful on that topic.

SOME shields you can't shield-bash with, but I don't think that gets you around the restriction.

Can you deflect arrows with your prehensile hair ? Probably. Snatch arrows ? Hmmm. Probably. Wield a shield ? I don't think so.


There is no specific rule that states 'prehensile hair can/cannot be used to carry a shield'. That it does say a weapon cannot be wielded by the hair is enough to suggest to me that the shield would also be disallowed, but that is an interpretation based on visualising the situation outside the RAW environment, the relevant rules that do exist and extrapolation of weapon/shield use.

If I were running a game and this question came up, I would say 'no'. Some other GM might say 'yes'.

Simple answer - if your GM allows it then go ahead.


There is a difference between hold and wield isn't there?

Grand Lodge

Prehensile Hair cannot wield weapons.

A shield is a weapon.

It cannot be wielded by Prehensile Hair.

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