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I just came out of my first session following a player getting Ultimate Magic and the first encounter where a caster used terrible remorse. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to do against that because it just shuts down so many encounters with or without considering the post by Jason on the spell.
When used on Achistem B’rith the final encounter, the only reason it got a turn following that spell was that it's spell resistance saved it. It still was defeated.
Even though it might have been effective in other encounters the caster only had to castings of it prepared.
Should I run with the spell as written in Ultimate Magic or should I use the bit from Jason that I can tell for certain on the spell (On successful initial save, lose next turn -2 AC.*)? As I said, I'm not exactly how to (or if I can) respond to this spell.
*This wouldn't have changed anything during this session, losing the next turn was enough to kill Calipharo and would have been enough to decimate Achistem
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I just came out of my first session following a player getting Ultimate Magic and the first encounter where a caster used terrible remorse. I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to do against that because it just shuts down so many encounters with or without considering the post by Jason on the spell.
The Heresy of Man, Part III: Beneath For gotten Sands:While the battle with Calipharo the salamander monk was never going to be a hard battle for the party, he ended up getting no actions in the battle because he got low on initiative and lost to the spellcaster with terrible remorse.When used on Achistem B’rith the final encounter, the only reason it got a turn following that spell was that it's spell resistance saved it. It still was defeated.
Even though it might have been effective in other encounters the caster only had to castings of it prepared.
Should I run with the spell as written in Ultimate Magic or should I use the bit from Jason that I can tell for certain on the spell (On successful initial save, lose next turn -2 AC.*)? As I said, I'm not exactly how to (or if I can) respond to this spell.
*This wouldn't have changed anything during this session, losing the next turn was enough to kill Calipharo and would have been enough to decimate Achistem
As I, Jason Nelson, and a few others said in the rules forum thread, this spell is a killer. I'm lucky enough to play with a stable group of players such that if I tell them please do not learn this spell they'll listen. Other than that, yeah, I think it's essentially auto-win barring immunity to mind-affecting or SR, even with the nerf.
I haven't heard an official final version on how the spell is supposed to work, but from what I've gathered it is:
- on initial save: no effect
- on save after succumbing initially: spend that round not doing actions and at -2 AC, afterwards you're fine again
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I haven't heard an official final version on how the spell is supposed to work, but from what I've gathered it is:
- on initial save: no effect
- on save after succumbing initially: spend that round not doing actions and at -2 AC, afterwards you're fine again
So from the book itself and Jason's unofficial erratum, there is no initial 'Will negates' save.
That in itself would balance the spell, without the erratum, which is that after the one round of doing nothing on a successful save, you're fine.
I'm lucky enough to play with a stable group of players such that if I tell them please do not learn this spell they'll listen.
I would go with this: Inform the player that the spell is going to be errataed "real soon now" and politely suggest that he memorize a different spell. If he insisted, I'd go along with it, but that player wouldn't be winning any brownie points* in my book.