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0gre wrote:

I think one thing to keep in mind is people criticizing one part of the book or another doesn't mean they are unhappy with the book as a whole. I'm not happy with some parts but overall like the book a lot.

Ideally criticism is the tool that Paizo should use to make future products better.

Exaclty. I appreciate a lot of stuff from the book. It just irks me that a lot of times paizo could have spent 1 second more to avoid some (IMHO) mistake.

Shadow Lodge

I honestly wish that they would have waited until Ultimate Combat was ready, put all the stuff that really doesn't fit in UM into that, and focused more on some low to mid level magic, spells, feats, Prestige Classes, Full caster Archtypes (only), and things that really pertain to magic user types.

Alternate styles of play (heavy magic, alternate systems (besides Words of Power), like spell points, alternate magic item types (scrolls, wands, etc. . .), and more magic related mundain gear.

Ultimate Combat then could be the non casters book, with mundain (and magic) combat gear, low magic alternatives, Monk stuff, skills & feats for combat, and things of that nature, martial style Archtypes, and Prestige Classes that make both non-combat and combat orientated classes more combative.

All in all, I'm happy you and others like it, but it really isn't what I had hoped for. My expectations went down with te previews and the many complaints threads before it was released to the general, up high when I glanced through it a few days ago, and down again after starting to get into it.

Silver Crusade

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Beckett wrote:
All in all, I am pretty unhappy with the book. Great if you are a fan of Wizards, Witches, Inquisitors, or really, really needed that Magus, but otherwise so so. Basically, everything that I had an issue with in the APG that people said "wait for the UM" turns into "wait for the _______", . . . again.

Beckett,

All your arguments boil down to one:

"There's not enough for Clerics"

You are a clinical case of Class Fan. Perhaps I would be more irritated, if I didn't deal with this kind daily in World of Warcraft :)


Kaiyanwang wrote:
It just irks me that a lot of times paizo could have spent 1 second more to avoid some (IMHO) mistake.

It's not a matter of how much extra time is spent editing. There's this phenomenon called "self-correcting" that occurs while reading through text. You can read through a mistake 50 times and not catch it because your mind is fixing it. Believe it or not, what we see and perceive of the world is an illusion constructed by our brains. "It" does it's best, but sometimes "it" changes things to be what we expect them to be (especially when "it" is tired).

Walk a mile in an editor's shoes and your irritation at them not being perfect will go away. :)


Pale wrote:
Kaiyanwang wrote:
It just irks me that a lot of times paizo could have spent 1 second more to avoid some (IMHO) mistake.

It's not a matter of how much extra time is spent editing. There's this phenomenon called "self-correcting" that occurs while reading through text. You can read through a mistake 50 times and not catch it because your mind is fixing it. Believe it or not, what we see and perceive of the world is an illusion constructed by our brains. "It" does it's best, but sometimes "it" changes things to be what we expect them to be (especially when "it" is tired).

Walk a mile in an editor's shoes and your irritation at them not being perfect will go away. :)

I'm not concerned by misprints. They don't bother me at all - mainly because of the self-correction phenomenon :)

Shadow Lodge

Gorbacz wrote:


Beckett,

All your arguments boil down to one:

"There's not enough for Clerics"

You are a clinical case of Class Fan. Perhaps I would be more irritated, if I didn't deal with this kind daily in World of Warcraft :)

That's not true. That's (clerics), are just what I argue about most, so what people tend to think most when I say anything. Im actually fairly disappointed in the book in general, more across the board.

Cheliax

lastgrasp wrote:

Almost no book is perfect and I'm not going to be using all the material from Ultimate Magic, but I have been enjoying reading the book. Good job Paizo.

lastgrasp

+1. Already made a ruling to drop Vow of Poverty thanks to a thread here on the boards. Looking to chuck the spells from both APG and UM. (*Shudder* Don't want a repeat of SC). Heart the various class options and archetypes, both for interesting powers and flavor (e.g., Geisha, though I'll probably change its name to fit my more typical pseudo-medieval campaign).

Cheliax

Sebastian wrote:
Your complaints are invalid and are hereby dismissed.

+1! Unless they're MY complaints, of course.

Cheliax

Mikaze wrote:
Beorn the Bear wrote:

I just wish people who had complaints could voice them respectfully, which I know some do, but the ragers garner more attention. Just think of how much you'd appreciate a section in your work area that you went to daily where everyone came in and critiqued your job. People need to think about what it feels like on the other side of the screen sometimes.

That's my 2cp

By that same token, I wish some people would stop making assumptions about why people are complaining, including those doing so civily, and putting them forth as fact.

Sucks to be dismissed out of hand.

Dismissed.

Cheliax

ProfessorCirno wrote:
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?

Tell me about it. I work in the auto industry.

Cheliax

Chris Mortika wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:
You would be surprised how many people can read through a page of a book and not catch an error that somebody else catches on the tenth pass through.
Oh, no I wouldn't. I do this kind of thing for a living (developing and editing math problems for national tests that students take to demonstrate course mastery or college readiness).

Ditto. I review posts and articles for websites and articles all the time. So far I haven't noticed an extraordinary number of grammar and spelling errors beyond Reynold's maxim. The complaints I'm seeing mostly in the forums seem more on the rules side where folks had expectations and dislike the result (and, for some reason, won't change it to fit their campaigns).

Cheliax

Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
Just got a copy of "Ultimate Magic" yesterday. I've had a chance to go through it cursorily. It seems to be filled with many new and interesting options. Some, such as "words of power", seem complicated; but this may just be because i'm an old dog at the beginning of the learning curve. All in all, i'd say that it looks like i've gotten my "money's worth" out of this book; and it will give me many more interesting and balanced options in roleplaying. Of course, if I do find a few things I don't like, or disagree with, I can always change them in my home game. Congratulaions to Paizo for continuing to publish high quality, innovative, balanced and imaginative products.

+1. And congrats that you're actually willing to change the rules to suit your campaign instead of complaining that Paizo did it wrong because it wasn't YOUR way and must have been a mistake.

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