TarkXT |
TarkXT wrote:*feeds baby and watches the tension unfold*Pollux turns his head to the side and asks: "But who are you feeding the baby to? Did you bring enough for everyone?"
I'm fattening her up on enfamil infant formula. Might marinate her in some A1 and louisianna hot sauce later.
Nix Tharel |
Pollux wrote:I'm fattening her up on enfamil infant formula. Might marinate her in some A1 and louisianna hot sauce later.TarkXT wrote:*feeds baby and watches the tension unfold*Pollux turns his head to the side and asks: "But who are you feeding the baby to? Did you bring enough for everyone?"
More importantly, how can you hold her, keep her happy, and type at the same time? I'm still trying to figure out how to do that.
TarkXT |
TarkXT wrote:More importantly, how can you hold her, keep her happy, and type at the same time? I'm still trying to figure out how to do that.Pollux wrote:I'm fattening her up on enfamil infant formula. Might marinate her in some A1 and louisianna hot sauce later.TarkXT wrote:*feeds baby and watches the tension unfold*Pollux turns his head to the side and asks: "But who are you feeding the baby to? Did you bring enough for everyone?"
Practice.
So, who wants to take bets on how many recurring villains Bloodless is going to give me before the end of the first book?
Bloodless |
Well I would have just killed her outright and been done with it, but cold blooded killing of prisoners for the sake of expedience and self interest I believe comes under the chapter titled "CE" in the rulebook :p
I just had to clean up the mess, my opponents are splatterised fair and square to avoid such moral conundrums :)
Calumny "Calla" Tas'vere |
I thought it was an excellent role-play (and just because Bloodless brought her up alive doesn't mean she has to stay that way. Sometimes people choke on their gags -- or have gags put deeper into their mouth after they've been hit with some magic missiles).
I'm usually playing good, so it's fun to have someone as callous as Calla. Playing b*$~#y's fun. : )
Bloodless |
Bloodless wrote:Its the Reservior Dogs stand-off all over :pHey we're all professionals here....
I bags being Harvey Keitel. I think we have about three Mr Blondes though.
TarkXT |
Well I would have just killed her outright and been done with it, but cold blooded killing of prisoners for the sake of expedience and self interest I believe comes under the chapter titled "CE" in the rulebook :p
To be fair it was more out of concern for the eleven or so commoners upstairs so both sides had a point. In fact just leaving her there for the Torbles who will undoubtedly be attracted by the smell of fresh kills might be a much worse fate then just beheading her as originally planned and be done with it. Food for thought. :P Dragging the poor lvl 1 commoners through shadowbeast infested streets is an extraordinarily bad idea by comparison.
In any case congratulations on lvl2.
Bloodless |
Well I figured it that by the time she woke up and managed to get untied, shes going to be stuck in the dark and going to have to spend a while trying to get out or get rescued... thats going to take a long while. Even longer if she awoke to the sounds of things munching on her allies on the other side of the door.
It might ironically have been a slightly worse fate, but then thats on her to survive as the gods see fit. :p
Besides, the killing sends a few messages that are going to be counter-productive in selling our new world order. :)
Edit - L2!
HP = 1d10 ⇒ 8
TarkXT |
They could just as well be munching on her. Torbles aren't very picky.
So a general warning to all my games that I play or running.
I recently put out two resumes for freelance work to LPjr Design and Gamer Ingenuity. Within hours of each I was offered work. Work that will keep me busy through the next year or so.
This means that for all intents and purposes my posting might be a bit spotty here and there as I'll have some rather painful deadlines I have to meet for pathfinder work.
TarkXT |
"so will you drop either group to fight off these lines of the dead."
"..."
"no you can't eat them"
"..."
"I know they are dead but you still can't eat them."
"......"
"You can't edit his work either, now hush."
Not planning on dropping any games as of yet. Though the one Im currently apped for will be the last one of my bit of rpg addiction if im selected at all. :P
Bejis Krupt |
I recently put out two resumes for freelance work to LPjr Design and Gamer Ingenuity. Within hours of each I was offered work. Work that will keep me busy through the next year or so.This means that for all intents and purposes my posting might be a bit spotty here and there as I'll have some rather painful deadlines I have to meet for pathfinder work.
Congratulations!
If you do plan to put the game on hold for a bit, a quick note would be greatly appreciated.
Sclivian Ruttle |
For second level, I took the Hold Portal spell. For the spell's effect, I was wondering if I could use Scabadar.
Scabadar is an imp, and like all imps, he delights in causing misery to all the creatures of the world. In particular, he has been given one tool and one mission by which to do this: shutting doors in people's faces.
When Sclivian Ruttle casts Hold Portal, he summons Scabadar to do his bidding. Despite being a tiny imp, he has preternatural strength when he's pressing against a door, window, sitting on a chest, anything to keep people from accessing a particular portal. He relishes the frustration he causes when anyone tries and fails to open a door he's holding shut, and may occasionally taunt those who fail.
Mechanically, in all ways this works precisely like the Hold Portal spell.
TarkXT |
** spoiler omitted **
Go for it.
*feeds baby again adn continues watchin drama unfold*
Bloodless is rather implacable isn't he. Why aren't you a paladin again? Even Karlan doesn't make speeches everyime someone says soemthing he doesn't like. :P
Then again the poor mans only human. And hangs out with a group full of half orcs....
Bloodless |
Warning signs for bad behaviour include being lectured by NG Rangers.
I look at it a few ways:
* Killing helpless prisoners is something even the Hellknights wouldn't do - Hellknights aren't that evil.
* There MUST be some "Honour amongst thieves", and so far I am convinced that LeVash and Calla would sell out the whole movement for a copper.
So nah, things can't be left unchecked, especially when they keep calling him out, and taking an alignment adjustment to NE is not something I'm keen on should I begin to agree with them :p
Bloodless |
Hrm...really can't see how this group is going to cohere at this point.
The thing is we have a common motivation, but it seems that there is a huge mismatch between the players actions and the needs of the revolutionaries. Ignoring the RAW implications of killing helpless prisoners in cold blood, what credibility would it give us with the revolution?
I thought we were signed on as a bunch of people who were supposed to be the rough diamonds of Westcrown looking to overthrow Thrune, not to just engage in melee's with Hellknights until their superior numbers crushed us :)
motteditor RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 |
I agree with Bloodless in that we have a common motivation, so we can wait and see what happens. Perhaps we'll forge a bond in combat, but there've been plenty of stories with characters who don't like each other (at least initially). As long as we all draw back before we actually attack each other, we should be fine.
And no more subdual attacks from Bejis.
Bloodless |
Yep, I reckon we have had a bit of catharsis, but there will no doubt be events or 'calls to arms' that get us on the same page. It's also a good time to nut out exactly whatour motivations are etc.
And thats the problem with subdual attacks, what do you do afterwards!
Bejis Krupt |
Ignoring the RAW implications of killing helpless prisoners in cold blood, what credibility would it give us with the revolution?
1.) Bejis just easily defeated her in combat. He could presumably do so again, but didn't have time for her to wake up first.
2.) She had the opportunity to surrender, but choose not to do so. (Hence the "prisoner" status is questionable.) She isn't done fighting, only unconscious.3.) She would be working to effectively harm Bejis later. (Hunting him down later on.) Over the long term, she is not "Helpless".
4.) Presumably Bejis would have killed others who were unconscious in the gladiator ring. The morality of the killing depends upon the rules of engagement.
Bloodless |
But she was knocked out deliberately for the purpose of interrogation, it didn't just happen during the course of the combat. So it's not quite like the gladiator match as above, she was 'captured' thus 'our prisoner'. She doesn't become a prisoner by surrendering, just ask your local Police force :p
She was captured, to be interrogated, and the upshot of that was she was to be killed at the end.
So I think thats where the problem lies.
The other point of note is that the Hellknights are not necessarily Evil. They are mostly LN, and can inlcude LG members - including Paladins, which is where the matter gets even murkier.
Bejis Krupt |
It's definitely a gray area. It's up to Tark to rule on at what point it becomes evil, (and at what point any alignment changes are necessary.)
In the sewers, Bejis was fine with killing Seyla (giving her a clean death), as:
1) He believes her to be a significant threat.
2) She did not ask for quarter.
3) She had been defeated in combat.
Now that the party has actively taken steps to restrain her, she gains a prisoner status in his view, and Bejis doesn't really know what to do. As a former slave, he hates the concept of keeping her captive. His solution would be to give her a weapon and fight it out, gladiator style. (He dislikes this, but it "trial by combat" has been the foundation of his life.)
The real problem for Bejis will be how to interrogate her. It is extremely unlikely she will willing talk, and Bejis finds torture to be an evil act.
TarkXT |
It's definitely a gray area. It's up to Tark to rule on at what point it becomes evil, (and at what point any alignment changes are necessary.)
Let's just say this is one of those times where there are no good decisions. On one hand you do have the cold blooded execution of someone you took alive and was merely doing there job. On the other you risk the lives of innocent people who will suffer far worse fates than mere imprisonment if captured.
Eventually something's going to have to be done and if the PC's don't figure it out Arael will have to.
One more thing. It's true that msot ahllknight orders are LN with some LG. However the Order of the Rack is closer to the LE of tha scale more than others. It's the oldest and most zealous of the various orders and even the other hellknight orders think they take it too far. They build bonfires of books in celebration over their iron grip of information and stamp out even the tiniest notion of rebellion (i.e. you) without mercy. They openly torture people and conflict with any idea of the cities to allow a bit more personal freedom.
At best they're an unlikable bunch of arrogant sods. At worst they're evil tyrannical control freaks.
Bloodless |
Similarly ready to crack on, reckon we have nutted out the differences well enough at this point :p
Bloodless is in favour of dumping the woman in an alley or the like after a polite but stern warning on the dangers of going looking for people she really might not want to find.
Doubt she saw too much in a dark sewer in the few seconds she was standing around before she got knocked out, most people don't remember a whole lot at times like that...
She certainly wont know where to find us, and by the time she clues on to anything she'd have little to no proof to make anything stick. They didn't have identikits back then either :)
Bloodless |
She knows how to use the marks in the sewer to find us.
To be honest I reckon that is a HUGE concern; if one lot knew how to follow the marks (and lets face it, we knew about them thats how WE found the group) then they need to be removed or changed etc pretty quickly before someone else clues on. I'm hoping thats what Janiven has done in the interim, otherwise we'd best do it asap.
They seem like the worst kept secret in town.