Yes! :)I've preordered mine, so I get what I get, but my son really wants to know...
Are the Dice really red?
Awesome! He'll be thrilled. Solid red has turned out to be a hard color to find (His current dice are red w/ orange fleck "Fire" dice).
We are working on something behind the scenes, but I don't want to promise anything until it is actually ready to go.
Fantastic - I'm in the 'States and I'm not on a subscription, but it's nice to see that you are at least looking into an alternative to make things easier for overseas customers, which can't possibly be so easy on such short notice. I'm sure you folks at Paizo must be almost as surprised as I am at how much trouble it is to ship something like this overseas - I would never have expected it! I hope the solution works out well for everyone.
I'm new to Pathfinder, and I've been looking at trying it out ever since I first heard of it. With this boxed set, I'm finally going to dip my toes into this RPG. So, I've got this boxed set on order through my FLGS, along with the core rulebook, bestiary, and a couple other Pathfinder items.
I love boxed RPG starter sets like this anyway, and buy them every time I see a new one (I've bought all of the WotC boxed sets for 3rd and 4th Edition - I always enjoy getting these sorts of everything-you-need-in-a-box kits for some reason.) From what I've seen so far, the Pathfinder boxed starter looks fantastic! Nice work, and good luck - I hope that, in spite of the overseas shipping controversy, this boxed set works out well for everyone, and gets a lot of new players started with Pathfinder.
I can't wait for my order to arrive :)
I like the dice too! I just canceled my order of the books on Amazon and preordered the beginner box via Amazon. Should I have went thru this site for quicker delivery? Amazon is kind of slow these days.
For whatever reason, most likely distributor-related, Amazon is consistently at least a week or two after the release date for shipping Paizo new releases. They are cheaper, though, and you will eventually get your product. You just basically have to decide whether you want it cheaper or faster.
We are working on something behind the scenes, but I don't want to promise anything until it is actually ready to go.
Fantastic - I'm in the 'States and I'm not on a subscription, but it's nice to see that you are at least looking into an alternative to make things easier for overseas customers, which can't possibly be so easy on such short notice.
I believe that Erik Mona's comment was in response to the one immediately preceding it:
Depending on the Release date, I am planning on running a Special Release event at the Local Gaming store.
Or you guys planning any kind of support for functions like this?
This is a perfect product for a Release Event.
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stuffI don't fully disagree, but I think there will be a relatively large number of subscribers that are not interested in this product. I also think Paizo could anticipate people having reservations about this item more than others in the line of products associated with the subscription.
Most subscibers seem to be interested in the product, but I think it is a slighty more aggressive push to sell/promote their products and honestly I do not mind a single product like this, but the product varies from the other products in the line significantly enough to warrant some discussion.
I subscribe to get the products I will get sooner or later anyway at a discount, this product is the single product sofar I would not be interested in buying and well.. I want Paizo to know that not all established customers are interested in subscribing to this line of products if there is a significant change in the kind of products that are produced. I am just here giving some counter feedback in response to all the people that are pleased by this addition in the RPG line.
I too agree that not everyone is going to be happy with this product as it is more of a niche product but that being said, if you ARE subscribing and as stated you do have the option to opt out if the subscription for a month.
If you choose NOT to vet your subscription by keeping track of what is coming down the line and ignore the email then you will get charged for said product. This is not Paizo's fault but the person that does not check emails and the web site and even the catalogs that they ship with their products once a year.
It only takes about 1 minute to check your subscription account to make sure of what is going in to month to month. No need to trust a company that is in it to make money when they DO have your interests at heart and give you plenty of checks and balances to opt out for a month or all together from a subscription.
We are working on something behind the scenes, but I don't want to promise anything until it is actually ready to go.
Fantastic - I'm in the 'States and I'm not on a subscription, but it's nice to see that you are at least looking into an alternative to make things easier for overseas customers, which can't possibly be so easy on such short notice.
I believe that Erik Mona's comment was in response to the one immediately preceding it:
Depending on the Release date, I am planning on running a Special Release event at the Local Gaming store.
Or you guys planning any kind of support for functions like this?
This is a perfect product for a Release Event.
Oh, I see, thank you for clearing that up.
Too bad - I know that can't possibly be an easy situation for Paizo to work with - one of those things where both Paizo and a number of their customers take a hit no matter what they do, which is a shame because this seems like a cool product.
Whether or not I buy this depends entirely on what the pawns look like.
Whether or not I buy this depends entirely on what the pawns look like.
You can see them in the additional images link for this product. They're the same style as the pawns for our Kill Doctor Lucky game.
Yes. Street date is currently scheduled for October 26th. That may change because of some shipping SNAFU or something, but that is what we are shooting for.
Will this have the usual approx. two-week shipping lead time for subscribers?
Looking over the monsters I an confused as to how they get the initiative modifiers.
+9 on the ogre who gets a -1 from dex and has no imp initiative baffles me.
I hope it is explaied well for it seems very different from the Core Book rules.
The ogre's initiative should be –1. I think the 9 listed there is an artifact of an earlier idea in monster design, perhaps one where monsters didn't roll initiative and instead used a flat number.
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I now must monitor every subscription with a microscope to make sure that you are not trying to sneak in computer software, novelty food items and paizo branded underwear.
Finally! Paizo-branded underwear! Where is the pre-order page?
Is it edible underwear?
Cos the Customs guys impound that, under 'quarantined foodstuff'.
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I have to say this is the first Paizo Product that I have been disappointed in. Its not like the product doesn't look amazing and have a place, but to get it as a subscription item is lackluster to say the least.
I've been playing D&D for over 20 years and have been a Paizo Subscriber from almost the beginning, and the last thing I actually need in my collection is another "starter set"
I've gotten so many great products from Paizo that I can overlook this one as a fluke, but besides donating it to my LGS or something i have absolutely no use for this product, and it just doesn't seem in line with all of the other products that I have gotten from my subscription.
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...it just doesn't seem in line with all of the other products that I have gotten from my subscription.
It's a non-Golarion specific product that is for the Pathfinder RPG. It couldn't fit the Pathfinder RPG subscription line any better.
And I'm saying this as someone who's opted out of my RPG subscription because of the product. (Although I'll admit that if it was just the two books instead of the complete boxed set, I would have let the subscription run on...in fact, I hope they offer a book-only option at some point. Or possibly even a hardcover that combines the two books into one Beginner Book.)
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What's the problem?The problem, though, is that not everyone monitors the website to see what's coming next. I think a lot of people, myself included, have spent 3 years getting accustomed to receiving books for grown-ups through the subscriptions. If I hadn't randomly checked in to Paizo's website, I would've never expected to receive a boxed game for children - automatically - through my subscription. I think there's a lot of other people in the same boat.
This sums up my position perfectly, I've never been so annoyed at Paizo.
This sums up my position perfectly, I've never been so annoyed at Paizo.What's the problem?The problem, though, is that not everyone monitors the website to see what's coming next. I think a lot of people, myself included, have spent 3 years getting accustomed to receiving books for grown-ups through the subscriptions. If I hadn't randomly checked in to Paizo's website, I would've never expected to receive a boxed game for children - automatically - through my subscription. I think there's a lot of other people in the same boat.
But you found out in time to avoid it and opt out. They clearly did enough communicating (in your case at least) so you didn't end up paying for something you didn't want. Yet they still provided you with the opportunity to get the subscriber benefits.
How is it bad to have one option you don't want if they also give you the option you do (via the "we're about to ship..." email)?
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This sums up my position perfectly, I've never been so annoyed at Paizo.What's the problem?The problem, though, is that not everyone monitors the website to see what's coming next. I think a lot of people, myself included, have spent 3 years getting accustomed to receiving books for grown-ups through the subscriptions. If I hadn't randomly checked in to Paizo's website, I would've never expected to receive a boxed game for children - automatically - through my subscription. I think there's a lot of other people in the same boat.But you found out in time to avoid it and opt out. They clearly did enough communicating (in your case at least) so you didn't end up paying for something you didn't want. Yet they still provided you with the opportunity to get the subscriber benefits.
How is it bad to have one option you don't want if they also give you the option you do (via the "we're about to ship..." email)?
I'm trying to and if it works then I'll move on.
Mind you, I admit I should have edited out the "childrens" bit from the original post. Apologies for that, I have no problem from an age POV, merely the beginner product for a subscriber system, which seems at odds.
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This sums up my position perfectly, I've never been so annoyed at Paizo.What's the problem?The problem, though, is that not everyone monitors the website to see what's coming next. I think a lot of people, myself included, have spent 3 years getting accustomed to receiving books for grown-ups through the subscriptions. If I hadn't randomly checked in to Paizo's website, I would've never expected to receive a boxed game for children - automatically - through my subscription. I think there's a lot of other people in the same boat.
See this is what I do not understand about some people. It is not "Automatically" You are given many checks and balances to avoid getting something you do not want. If you as a subscriber choose to ignore those checks and balances, then you can hardly blame Paizo for that.
You are given information on the web site, The product catalog that is sent out to subscribers once a year and an email that is sent out a week before the product is sent.. all of this from a company that does care about it's subscribers when truthfully they do not have to give you those checks and balances.
The nature of the subscription is that you SHOULD check ahead and see what you are buying instead of putting trust in to what you are getting. Paizo is a company that is in business to make money. They offer us as customers a way to get things shipped to us conveniently through a subscription. If you do not look at what you are getting in advance, you can hardly blame them now can you. They try and give you all the options they can to do so, it is up to you as a responsible consumer to take advantage of that.
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The nature of the subscription is that you SHOULD check ahead and see what you are buying instead of putting trust in to what you are getting. Paizo is a company that is in business to make money. They offer us as customers a way to get things shipped to us conveniently through a subscription. If you do not look at what you are getting in advance, you can hardly blame them now can you. They try and give you all the options they can to do so, it is up to you as a responsible consumer to take advantage of that.
This has gone back and forth, but I just want to respond to this. There are a few reasons to subscribe to things. One is a discount, if it offers that. Two is a special benefit, if it offer that, but a third reason is do you do not HAVE to monitor it. If someone is coming to the website every month, then they don't subscribe for that third reason. Some people though, subscribe because they want to just allow the subscription to go on, so they don't have to check over and over and they don't have to worry about it. Now with this item thrown in, it means that they DO have to worry about it, and it takes away a reason to subscribe. Heck, when I was younger the main reason I subscribed to comics is so I wouldn't have to go looking each month for new ones. I knew I was going to get them all.
From the amount of people ho have caught this, and do not want it, should show there are going to be people who don't catch it.
Also as a business you really should not want your customers unsubscribing. While they may have the intention or resubscribing, you will get the few that say ..."never mind". If you avoid the unsubscribe in the first place, you don't have to worry about that.
Also the email is great for letting everyone know what is coming, but not everyone checks their emails regularly. Some people (like me) have an email that is used for work, and part of my job is to stay on top of it. I use a second email for other stuff. I check my work email so often, that it habit, but not so with my others. I have to stop and go to another page to check it, and sometimes I don't think of it for a few weeks. it take a secondary importance.
Not everyone does the same things for the same reasons, and things like this can affect different people differently.
When you get a subscription, does it specifically say that you won't receive something you don't want?!
EDIT - "The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game product page features a list of upcoming releases. With your ongoing subscription, we'll automatically send you new Pathfinder Roleplaying Game products as they are released, charging your credit card only as we ship each item. You'll only need to sign up once, and never need to worry about renewal notices!"
"Stay on top of new rules developments, exciting new classes and character abilities, and great game mastering tools with hardcover rulebooks, monster books, and rules-focused accessories aimed at giving you the best possible Pathfinder RPG experience!"
quoted from the page that describes the subscription - in the actual description, the [Patfinder Roleplaying Game product page] is a link that shows you what's coming up... so this isn't misleading or duplicitous at all...
Also a subscription may include items you wouldn't want - I wouldn't necessarily want Ultimate Magic but I wouldn't be mad when it showed up if I was subscribed to receive every PFRPG product that comes out - the company decides what the beginner box is classified as and they say its a PFRPG product... the subscription is not a book subscription.
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The nature of the subscription is that you SHOULD check ahead and see what you are buying instead of putting trust in to what you are getting. Paizo is a company that is in business to make money. They offer us as customers a way to get things shipped to us conveniently through a subscription. If you do not look at what you are getting in advance, you can hardly blame them now can you. They try and give you all the options they can to do so, it is up to you as a responsible consumer to take advantage of that.
This has gone back and forth, but I just want to respond to this. There are a few reasons to subscribe to things. One is a discount, if it offers that. Two is a special benefit, if it offer that, but a third reason is do you do not HAVE to monitor it. If someone is coming to the website every month, then they don't subscribe for that third reason. Some people though, subscribe because they want to just allow the subscription to go on, so they don't have to check over and over and they don't have to worry about it. Now with this item thrown in, it means that they DO have to worry about it, and it takes away a reason to subscribe. Heck, when I was younger the main reason I subscribed to comics is so I wouldn't have to go looking each month for new ones. I knew I was going to get them all.
From the amount of people ho have caught this, and do not want it, should show there are going to be people who don't catch it.
Also as a business you really should not want your customers unsubscribing. While they may have the intention or resubscribing, you will get the few that say ..."never mind". If you avoid the unsubscribe in the first place, you don't have to worry about that.
Also the email is great for letting everyone know what is coming, but not everyone checks their emails regularly. Some people (like me) have an email that is used for work, and part of my job is to stay on top of it. I use a second email for other stuff. I check my work email so often,...
You are right. Some people do not log in to the site and or even check email, but there is the third option too and that is the catalog that is shipped around August or September. That LETS you know what is coming down the pipe.
The Paizo subscriptions are nothing like a comic book subscription at all other then it ships automatically when it comes out. That is the ONLY thing that is the same. You pay up front for all other subscriptions and know what you are paying from year to year. With Paizo subscriptions you do not know what you are paying from month to month and or when it is coming out. So if you choose not to monitor it then they will take money out of your account and charge you for the product of the month (or what ever subscription you have at the time).I for one can not afford NOT to monitor my subscriptions. I make sure I have the funds available in my account when something ships to me in this way I do not bounce any checks or anything like that. If you are able to afford not to monitor your subscriptions, then the more power to you. But you should know that this is the age of the internet. It just takes a moment to go to your account page and see what is shipping for the month, if you do not like it, you can opt out and that is the important part.
Paizo does not want you to unsubscribe, but realize with the type of subscriptions they are doing people are GOING to do it regardless... by giving them the option to come back to resubscribing without any interruptions in scheduling (other then the part you want to skip) usually gets people to come back at a later time too. Unlike a magazine or comic book subscription.
Come on now... You should really know better that this is not the reason people are irritated. Lets not act childish.
What would be childish would be to sign on with a credit card for something which is received exactly as it's advertised then get upset.
BUT I won't bother with this thread further.
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I think the point of offering the Beginner Box Set as part of the subscription, (and I could be off base here...) was to give subscribers first dibs on a product which might possibly sell out.
They're giving loyal subscribers the opportunity to say no thank you, instead of snubbing them and selling first come first serve.
Another thing that I'd like to comment on.
I too have been playing RPGS for a long time, and Pathfinder since before it existed.
I also like to turn on new players to RPGs. Thus, as much as a veteran as I am, I'm very excited to see an Introductory Set, not for me, but for people I might want to teach the game to in the future. I'll probably keep it in my car, that way when people ask me about RPGs, I can respond, "Actually, I have a copy of the Pathfinder Beginner Box in my car, want to check it out?"
I love turning on new players, which I totally intend to do with the Beginner Box.
While i understand the multiple points of view everyone has on this product it does not truly belong in a subscription for a product that is several years old. This is a "Beginners Box". Odds are if you have a subscription you are not a beginner.
Yeah, I can understand this view (though I quibble that just because it's odds on you are not a beginner it doesnt follow that it's odds on you dont want this plus the free PDFs, early access, ease of ordering and other subscriber perks one is entitled to). Speaking from a different perspective, I dont think of the roleplaying line as 'proceeding' in the same way that an AP subscription does. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that some beginner items will emerge after some 'advanced' items - that's the nature of the beast, in my view when producing rules and trying to judge what's both profitable and useful. It would be weird if they started putting out item cards six months before the AP, or issued AP editions out of order or something. The rules line seems fundamentally different to me. As I said though, I can understand someone taking a different view.
What I dont understand is people who have found out in time to do something about it getting cross with Paizo. In my view Paizo's 'subscription-with-benefits-you-can-opt-out-of-at-a-moments-notice' model is so generous, it just doesnt seem reasonable to then turn around and accuse them of money-grabbing when they produce a product which many subscribers want in the subscription and many subscribers dont.
It beggars belief that this is some kind of crafty money-making ploy. They just dont operate like that - they provide quality product at very reasonable prices and provide lots of perks and excellent service to make it attractive to become an ongoing customer. Doing all of that just doesnt gel with the idea that this is some kind of surreptitious attempt to make people buy something they dont want.
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Also the email is great for letting everyone know what is coming, but not everyone checks their emails regularly. Some people (like me) have an email that is used for work, and part of my job is to stay on top of it. I use a second email for other stuff. I check my work email so often, that it habit, but not so with my others. I have to stop and go to another page to check it, and sometimes I don't think of it for a few weeks. it take a secondary importance.
I once forgot to check my email for a few days, and I missed out on the chance to claim £250,000.00 from the Finance Minister of Nigeria.
I won't be making THAT mistake again, I'll tell you.
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Also the email is great for letting everyone know what is coming, but not everyone checks their emails regularly. Some people (like me) have an email that is used for work, and part of my job is to stay on top of it. I use a second email for other stuff. I check my work email so often, that it habit, but not so with my others. I have to stop and go to another page to check it, and sometimes I don't think of it for a few weeks. it take a secondary importance.I once forgot to check my email for a few days, and I missed out on the chance to claim £250,000.00 from the Finance Minister of Nigeria.
I won't be making THAT mistake again, I'll tell you.
Oh that was uncalled for. I hate getting stared at at work for laughing alone in my office :)
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...I also like to turn on new players to RPGs. Thus, as much as a veteran as I am, I'm very excited to see an Introductory Set, not for me, but for people I might want to teach the game to in the future. I'll probably keep it in my car, that way when people ask me about RPGs, I can respond, "Actually, I have a copy of the Pathfinder Beginner Box in my car, want to check it out?"
I love turning on new players, which I totally intend to do with the Beginner Box.
This! I have been waiting none too patiently for the beginner box to come out. One of my friends (childless, and not nearly as pushy as me) has the subscription but no need for the box. His solution is to sell it to me and I will have it in my car.
Should some hapless non RPG player wander in my path, I will be prepared!!! (No really. It could happen.)
(edited, because I left a word out)
I am glad the Tokens sheets are included with the PDF, though I am a little disappointed that the Map was not.
My apologies. The Flip-Mat is supposed to be part of the PDF package. I've just gone in and updated the product. You should be set now.
Well, it is only Monday.
I've had my first look at the PDFs and it looks absolutely awesome. It's way more detail than I expected in the two guides. The format of the GM guide is very user friendly. The items are in neat little boxes that would be great to print on cardstock and hand to players, same with monsters. And you gotta love the goblins "demonstrating" all of the conditions for us :-) Not only does it have a simple first level adventure, it also has the locale and details to help a new GM create her own new adventure. I think it's a great balance between distilling the rules to make things simpler to find and still keeping the Pathfinder meat.
I'm excited about drawing some new people into Pathfinder and actually am finding stuff that I may use in games (though most is only up to level 5.)
Now I have to just wait for the actual box!
(This is nothing like the 3.5 BB with tiny B&W leaflets and it will seriously counter the "it's too complicated, I'll stick with 4e" argument around here.)
It looks great, I've got one minor complaint, and that's that the choices in the choose your own adventure don't act as links to the page with those choices. Yes, it's minor, but it would really help to speed up that bit. It's definitely going to be a great tool for introducing newbies to the concepts.
Sandpoint is underdeveloped: As a kind of token nod Keep on the Borderlands, this is the "sandbox" element set and it's only four pages long. Reflecting back on my own experience with the Basic Set, it seems like the sheer lack of pages here will make it easy to just overlook these pages. It isn't giving enough of an example of how to jump off and create your own world.
My recollection of the Basic Set (Red Box) was that there was no information on any town or any type of "sandbox" experience at all. I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering, but apart from maybe an offhand reference to the town of "Threshold" I don't recall any information on the setting itself. I also recall there was only one character to play initially--a human fighter...
