"Savage Species" Rulebook Conversion


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kevin_video wrote:
If anyone's interested, someone did a homebrew of variant 3.5 half-dragons that they could use and adapt to PF.

I really wish he'd take that down. I created that originally in August of 2002 after getting the Monster Manual and not liking their template. I mean really one set of stats for ten different half-dragon races? No thank you. I expanded upon it to over 40 different types when I finally let it go after discovering the joys of Pathfinder. Linked below are my templates.

Expanded Half-Dragon Template (Pathfinder)

Expanded Half-Dragon Template (D&D 3.x)


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zerzix wrote:
SeeleyOne wrote:

I like the class levels for monsters idea. It lets you play the monster and is still fair in comparison to those that want to be "normal" races.

Thanks for the write-ups. I am going to have to import the vampire as a class for Hero Lab; that is something that needs to be done for all of the races eventually.

HolY MOLY! That would be cool. I've always wanted them on Hero Lab, but don't know enough of Hero Labs coding to do it. If you ever need any help on grunt work let me know

I managed to get started on the class. This is the first time that I will have made a class. I am relatively new to Pathfinder (started playing in June), but I have used Hero Lab for Savage Worlds and Mutants and Masterminds. There are differences between the game systems, but overall there is a basic framework that is used throughout the different systems.

I cannot promise success, and I am currently stumped on adding Dark Vision if you happen to have a race that already has it (I would want it to stack). Otherwise as I can make time I will keep plugging at it. Mind you, I have obligations that limit my time, and this next week should be a very busy one.

A cool thing about it being a class is that you can have an Archetype for it to show variations in bloodlines. You could play Vampire: the Masquerade in Pathfinder. :)

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Just want to say that I appreciate the work you're putting into this.

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Sorry, work keeps getting in the way of my Pathfinder time dammit! lol

Grand Lodge

I feel your pain. Work's getting in the way for me too.

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I think the lycanthropy additions need a bit of an adjustment, unless I'm not seeing it. The template says that there's a -2 CHA to all forms for all of the creatures. However, the wererat has no such specification.

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rgr that

kevin_video wrote:
I think the lycanthropy additions need a bit of an adjustment, unless I'm not seeing it. The template says that there's a -2 CHA to all forms for all of the creatures. However, the wererat has no such specification.

Grand Lodge

Another mention is the werebear. It's 8d8. Pathfinder has most bears stated at 5d8. However, a dire bear is 10d8. The dire creature template has the additional information needed. At 10d8, they should be able to hit huge size. At 5d8, that's when the regular werebear should be able to hit large. The nice part about the additional stats is that this will help alleviate the +1 Dex that's on there twice.

Liberty's Edge

Valkyn Highwind wrote:
Expanded Half-Dragon Template (D&D 3.x)

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Expanded Half-Dragon Template (D&D 3.x)

Grand Lodge

Valkyn Highwind wrote:
Valkyn Highwind wrote:
Expanded Half-Dragon Template (D&D 3.x)

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Expanded Half-Dragon Template (D&D 3.x)

Bookmarked.

EDIT: I guess my only real question is, why does the White half-dragon (on the Pathfinder page) not have much in the way of ability score bonuses?

Liberty's Edge

I honestly don't know. I was just unsatisfied with just the one set of modifiers for 10 different types of half-dragons.

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Valkyn Highwind wrote:
I honestly don't know. I was just unsatisfied with just the one set of modifiers for 10 different types of half-dragons.

Fair enough, but making it weaker isn't going to help anyone wanting to take it.

Liberty's Edge

I don't see how it is being made weaker.

Grand Lodge

Valkyn Highwind wrote:
I don't see how it is being made weaker.

We must be looking at the wrong pages because the Pathfinder half-dragons on this page all have substantially higher ability score adjustments compared to the white dragon. The base half-dragon gets Str +8, Con +6, Int +2, Cha +2. The white half-dragon on the page has Str +4, Con +2, Wis +2. All the others have significantly higher, or at least have all the standard ability scores called for. Compared to the other dragons, it's the only one with +5 natural armor. All the others are higher. For +3 CR, my money would be on all the others. The white half-dragon would be CR +2 by comparison.

Liberty's Edge

I see. Well I'll look it over and see what I can do to improve it if I feel it is warranted.


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The white dragon has traditionally been the weakest dragon out of all of them.

Grand Lodge

SeeleyOne wrote:
The white dragon has traditionally been the weakest dragon out of all of them.

And that's fine, if the CR is adjusted accordingly.

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Wanted to let you know that this pdf is being talked about, and used on the Facebook d20pfsrd page. Namely for a group that's converting the AD&D level 100 "Throne of Bloodstone" Orcus adventure into the Abyss.


kevin_video wrote:
Wanted to let you know that this pdf is being talked about, and used on the Facebook d20pfsrd page. Namely for a group that's converting the AD&D level 100 "Throne of Bloodstone" Orcus adventure into the Abyss.

*head explodes*

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Mythic +10 Artifact Toaster wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
Wanted to let you know that this pdf is being talked about, and used on the Facebook d20pfsrd page. Namely for a group that's converting the AD&D level 100 "Throne of Bloodstone" Orcus adventure into the Abyss.
*head explodes*

lol A little much for your taste? Surely you could come up with characters that constantly take on a CR 55+ challenge.

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:) Now I just need to get off my butt and finish it! lol


Following this, with much appreciation :)

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Tonight doing a mass push on Devils and Demon!! (heavens beware!)

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zerzix wrote:
Tonight doing a mass push on Devils and Demon!! (heavens beware!)

Excellent. >=D

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Here is a quick update with a few added in...my devil/demon push is still very sloppy so I will add that update in a few days.

Bestiary Level v17.

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zerzix wrote:

Here is a quick update with a few added in...my devil/demon push is still very sloppy so I will add that update in a few days.

Bestiary Level v17.

That's alright. I won't be in desperate need for it until probably November when the PCs learn of their true devilish heritage.

BTW, the Mighty template. It's +5 CR, but how many levels do you think it's truly worth? I was thinking probably 8.

EDIT: Don't forget to update the wererat.

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Oh, Mighty template, you are the answer to my RotRl woes. No longer shall iconic creatures die so easily to my hilariously overpowered group!" (:<

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Dragonborn3 wrote:
No longer shall iconic creatures die so easily to my hilariously overpowered group!" (:<

I use it for the exact same reason.

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kevin_video wrote:
zerzix wrote:

Here is a quick update with a few added in...my devil/demon push is still very sloppy so I will add that update in a few days.

Bestiary Level v17.

That's alright. I won't be in desperate need for it until probably November when the PCs learn of their true devilish heritage.

BTW, the Mighty template. It's +5 CR, but how many levels do you think it's truly worth? I was thinking probably 8.

EDIT: Don't forget to update the wererat.

Yeah, updated wererat first thing after I posted v17. lol Never looked at the mighty template, just quickly looking at it definitely lowest I'd go is 8 levels, but with +10 to BaB, DR, SR roughly d10 HD - I'd say 8-10 levels would fit.

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kevin_video wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:
No longer shall iconic creatures die so easily to my hilariously overpowered group!" (:<
I use it for the exact same reason.

Half-Dragon, Half-Fiend, Three normal humans.

Ability scores were generated by selecting a number of d6 out of a pool of twenty and rolling in order. The half-fiend can't even wear armor...

Lowest stat is an 8 and the next us a 13. Nothing lower, plenty higher.

Oh, Mighty template, I live you already. <3

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zerzix wrote:
but with +10 to BaB, DR, SR roughly d10 HD - I'd say 8-10 levels would fit.

It's not BAB. It's just straight up +10 to attack and CMB. If it was BAB, I'd be incredibly frightened.

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kevin_video wrote:
zerzix wrote:
but with +10 to BaB, DR, SR roughly d10 HD - I'd say 8-10 levels would fit.
It's not BAB. It's just straight up +10 to attack and CMB. If it was BAB, I'd be incredibly frightened.

yeah, I just meant in a conversion to by-level would prob go as BaB. =)

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zerzix wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
zerzix wrote:
but with +10 to BaB, DR, SR roughly d10 HD - I'd say 8-10 levels would fit.
It's not BAB. It's just straight up +10 to attack and CMB. If it was BAB, I'd be incredibly frightened.
yeah, I just meant in a conversion to by-level would prob go as BaB. =)

Ah, fair enough. The only problem would be the HD. It doesn't turn you into anything. It's whatever you are. So I guess standard d10 for the +10 attack.

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If you find the time, and if it's possible, would love to see a Monster of Legend build. It's a native outsider, so d10 HD.


kevin_video wrote:
If you find the time, and if it's possible, would love to see a Monster of Legend build. It's a native outsider, so d10 HD.

the special ability options make that one interesting.

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Mythic +10 Artifact Toaster wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
If you find the time, and if it's possible, would love to see a Monster of Legend build. It's a native outsider, so d10 HD.
the special ability options make that one interesting.

A cleric in the game I'm playing in has two levels of it so far. He's really enjoying it.

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kevin_video wrote:
Mythic +10 Artifact Toaster wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
If you find the time, and if it's possible, would love to see a Monster of Legend build. It's a native outsider, so d10 HD.
the special ability options make that one interesting.
A cleric in the game I'm playing in has two levels of it so far. He's really enjoying it.

How many levels did you break it into? After looking at it a bit, was thinking maybe 5 or 6 levels. Even though its CR2...2 levels seems a bit light for the bonuses it gives. And I'd probably limit it to characters only of animal, magical beast, or monstrous humanoid and not allow it for others.

Grand Lodge

He was a dragon type and has two levels.

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Zerzix, sure you're incredibly busy with getting the next edition out, but a player was hoping to see a breakdown of the Handmaiden Devil, if it's not too much trouble.

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kevin_video wrote:
Zerzix, sure you're incredibly busy with getting the next edition out, but a player was hoping to see a breakdown of the Handmaiden Devil, if it's not too much trouble.

Doh! Just saw this...I'll get it posted tomorrow evening after I get back in town. =)

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zerzix wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
Zerzix, sure you're incredibly busy with getting the next edition out, but a player was hoping to see a breakdown of the Handmaiden Devil, if it's not too much trouble.
Doh! Just saw this...I'll get it posted tomorrow evening after I get back in town. =)

Cool. No rush though.

Grand Lodge

Just checking up on things.

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Hey hey, had held off a bit as I looked for art for a few other devils and demons. Sooo many variations of each 'race' that's its hard to get a good clean pic of each. Still really haven't found a nice one for handmaiden yet.


How about this one?


That's just creepy.


Good! Yochlol shouldn't instill happy feelings! (:<


How now, gross Drow?

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zerzix wrote:
Hey hey, had held off a bit as I looked for art for a few other devils and demons. Sooo many variations of each 'race' that's its hard to get a good clean pic of each. Still really haven't found a nice one for handmaiden yet.

If you could get ahold of Book 5 of Way of the Wicked, there's one in there.


Let me preface this by saying it is probably a total noob post. I've been following Zerzix's Bestiary Levels with a bit of interest and have Savage Species in hardcover. But, I never actually used SS, just flipped through it a lot. I really, really dig the idea of using 'Monsters' as PCs sans Class.

OK, then, on with the noob question. Has anyone found a way to square the Race Builder of The Advanced Races Guide with a(n) Experience/Level progression. For example, you build a Race with 28 points and then acquire points beyond the basic 10 Race Points as you level up your dude.

Also, I really liked the Awakened Constructs of SS. It would be cool to see those converted in your Bestiary Levels too.

Thanks Zerzix for the cool stuff, it tingles my imagination whenever I look at your PDF. Very excited to see where this project goes.


Kirthfinder uses racial classes to hand out HD, BAB and skills alongside racial powers. Personally, I would go with about 10 points per racial level, with some nominal skill/hp addition as well.

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