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Is there a table or a clear explanation of what the different size categories are? I know humans are medium, but how big/heavy is Gargantuan? Or Huge?

Andoran

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DGRM44 wrote:
Is there a table or a clear explanation of what the different size categories are? I know humans are medium, but how big/heavy is Gargantuan? Or Huge?

I'm not sure about weight, but you can find space and reach values for the size categories in Table 8-4 (linked here) of the PRD.

One way you could approach the weight issue is to look at the Enlarge/Reduce Person spells.

The enlarge person spell multiplies the target's weight by 8 and increases it by one size category. If you take an average Medium-size weight (I'll say 175 for a rough guess), then a large creature weighs about 1400 pounds, which is more than a typical horse. But since a rhino, which isalso a large creature, can easily weigh 3000 pounds, you can see there's a wide range for weight.

Similarly, using the 175-lb average, a small creature would weigh about 22 pounds, which is about right for some breeds of dog or a very overweight cat, which are considered small creatures.

A huge creature will weigh about 1400*8 = 11,200 pounds.

For a colossal creature, 175*8*8*8*8 = 716,800 pounds.

Obviously, the higher up you go, the wider the variation. Body type will make a difference, too, but this can give you a starting point, at least.


The 3.5 Monster Manual had a nice chart (page 314) with dimension and weight included for all the sizes. As far as I can tell this chart is not in the SRD, though, so you'll need the actual book.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Tales Subscriber

SRD


whats bigger then colossal?

Shadow Lodge

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Per the SRD, colossal covers everything up to infinity, though some 3rd party stuff has additional categories.

Andoran

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Technically if you look at some of the extensions from 3.5 you can extrapolate different sizes(Star Wars Saga has 'Colossal Plus' and then 'capital' for example) but as mentioned above colossal is anything above gargantuan in size.

As a somewhat example of that, the WotC Colossal Red Mini they had in the 3.5 days was larger than a traditional colossal sqauare. I think it was 7x7.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Card Game, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

Good find, snobi!

And if you look at the numbers there, you'll see that the "factor of 8" method works pretty well.

The "middle-weight" for a medium creature is 280 pounds. 280*8 = 2240 pounds.

Per the SRD, the middle weight for a large creature is 2250 (assuming the SRD means a short ton of 2000 pounds when it says the upper limit is 2 tons).

The midpoint of the Huge category is 18000 pounds, which is exactly 8 time 2250.

I'll stop, now. You probably get the idea. ;)


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Interesting that size is so important to the game mechanics but no mention in the core rules as to the height/weight for the different size categories.

Taldor

chaoskin wrote:
whats bigger then colossal?

Craig Cochrane did a great "mega-epic" series of supplements for 3.5 that took players up to 100th level or so. You can find his stuff here. He goes into a lot of detail of much, much bigger creatures in the epic bestiary.

He scaled the game up so that you could play games at "Green Latern" level of epic play.

He created one more scale at the normal level of the game:

Titanic
-16 AC
-20 Hide
+20 Grapple
Approx. Dimensions 128-256 ft.
Approx. Weight 1-8 KT.
Min. Hit Dice 64
Max Hit Dice 127
Carrying Capacity x32
Speed (Biped) 160 ft.
Speed (Quadruped) 240 ft.

After that then the scale starts over with a new prefix, so after Titanic is Macro-Fine, Macro-Diminutive, Macro-Tiny... and so on.

Macro scale is assuming roughly the side of a mountain to a continent, after that:

Mega (planet)
Giga (Star)
Tera (Solar System)
Peta (Nebula)
Exa (Quasar)
Zetta (Galaxy)
Yotta (Super Cluster)
Xona (Universe)

So if you want to go totally GONZO with your game, the Immortal Bestiary is a great resource to mess with.


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Mok wrote:
chaoskin wrote:
whats bigger then colossal?

Craig Cochrane did a great "mega-epic" series of supplements for 3.5 that took players up to 100th level or so. You can find his stuff here. He goes into a lot of detail of much, much bigger creatures in the epic bestiary.

He scaled the game up so that you could play games at "Green Latern" level of epic play.

I'm a BIG fan of this; I use it all the time. I think the Elder Evils folks should have used something like it for Atropus, frankly.

The only thing missing for me is game rules for making really large creatures immune to stupid things like Devastating Critical, though given their insane Con values, they're really unlikely to fail the save anyways.

Andoran

snobi wrote:
Per the SRD, colossal covers everything up to infinity, though some 3rd party stuff has additional categories.

Star Wars Saga Edition starship size categories! -- The Millennium Falcon was Colossal. Next size up was Colossal (Frigate); next was Colossal (cruiser); and finally, Colossal (Station). E.g., the Death Star was Colossal (Station) size.

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