Rogue with a Splash of Cleric / Divine?


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Liberty's Edge

Hello!

One of my players is playing a Rogue that is rather religious... at least as religious as you can get following Cayden Cailean. He is /very/ CG and pretty much a typical swashbuckling hero type.

He's wanted to show this in some statistical way on his character, but at the same time, he is still very much a rogue and doesn't want to be a cleric. He also knows that 'dipping' into full caster classes isn't usually very satisfying.

What options are there for this character? I know there was the Prestige Class for Cayden in the early APs that I have access to, but... what else is out there?


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How open are you to ignoring requirements and existing fluff of classes?
If the answer is "Very" let him take a level of Paladin. If you aren't so keen on hand waving stuff, I'd say inquisitor.


I'd suggest a level of this, from the PF Campaign setting:

Holy Warrior (Ex): A cleric with this ability is proficient with
her deity’s favored weapon. In addition, her base attack
bonus as a cleric equals her cleric level, and her cleric Hit Die
becomes a d10.

Class Abilities: Some clerics think of themselves more
as holy warriors than proselytizers or shepherds. For these
clerics, the ability to fight trumps all
other concerns. Taking the above ability
requires a cleric to give up both of
her domains, including her
domain powers.

He'd get a nice bump for BAB, saves, an extra hit point, and 1st level cleric spells, but no domain powers or spells. This seems like a nice way to treat a religious character to some divine abilities as a sort of "dabbler" in his faith, without full committment and multiple levels.

Grand Lodge

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Perram wrote:

Hello!

One of my players is playing a Rogue that is rather religious... at least as religious as you can get following Cayden Cailean. He is /very/ CG and pretty much a typical swashbuckling hero type.

He's wanted to show this in some statistical way on his character, but at the same time, he is still very much a rogue and doesn't want to be a cleric. He also knows that 'dipping' into full caster classes isn't usually very satisfying.

What options are there for this character? I know there was the Prestige Class for Cayden in the early APs that I have access to, but... what else is out there?

Show it in deeds and actions! Maybe take a minor talent in the prestidgitation spell to give him a minor magical flair that would complement the theme. I'm sure there might be an appropriate religous trait he could take.

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I know for a fact there are variant rules for divine rogues (similar to archetype substitutions) in the Complete Champion splatbook from 3.5. I don't have the book in front of me, unfortunately, so I can't tell you if they're worthwhile or not. I'd be inclined to say they're bunk, from what I remember, but if you can take a peek inside a copy, you might be able to dredge up some ideas for building a PF compatible archetype that's a rogue with a splash of divine for flavour. Maybe they get Mettle instead of Improved Evasion. Maybe they can take spells from the Cleric list for the Minor/Major Magic rogue talents.

Heck, now I'm getting behind the idea of building a divine rogue archetype... maybe I'll play with that when I get home.


Depends on how mechanical you want this v. just fluff.

Oracle is a pretty awesome mix-in class, as the curse stuff progresses with other class levels and the mysteries tend to be consistently useful.

For a straight-up cleric level your interesting stuff is going to come from the domain powers, not the spellcasting. Hence I'd shy away from the holy warrior.

Inquisitor isn't a bad option at all.

You might also check some of the 3.5 splatbooks for a conversion. There was a temple raider prestige class or something similar that gave you a quasi-divine rogue.

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I think Inquisitor is an awesome option.

"You're not drinking nearly enough of what I give you, sir. Should I consider you an enemy of Cayden Cailean? No? Then drink up, man!"

Silver Crusade

Chevalier from pathfinder 14
Some heroes don’t believe in fancy rules or high creeds or big flowery speeches, they just want to kill evil things, spend time with friends, and swap great tales over a good meal and tasty drinks. Not as stuffy or restrictive as a full-fledged knighthood, in their hearts chevaliers are just good people who want to celebrate the good things in life and fight evil wherever it dares to tread.
Chevaliers welcome all like-minded folk regardless of religion, though most of them worship Cayden Cailean.

The class abilitys.
Aura of courage, recklessness, Controlled charge, stubborn mind, Poison immunity, smite evil

Shadow Lodge

A splash of inquisitor perhaps?

Three levels nets you a boost to two saves you are no doubt lacking in, some spellcasting, the ability to use most of the useful divine wands and other spellcasting items, almost as many skill points(unlike a cleric or paladin dip) and, perhaps most importantly, Solo Tactics and that TW feat.

What I'm proposing here is taking advantage of the good int and dex any a rogue will no doubt be sporting. Solo Tactics means you can take advantage of the delicious teamwork feats APG bestowed us. Combining Outflank(+4 to hit vs. flanked opponents, critical hits cause an aao), Paired Opportunists(+4 to hit with aaos, aaos made by your ally allow you to take an aao) and Gang Up is an interesting idea, introduced by Ice Titan(IIRC).

Gang Up requires Combat Expertise, but allows you to consider an enemy threatened by two of your allies as flanked. Then you get +4 to hit instead of the usual flank bonus of +2 AND every time an ally makes a critical hit, you can take an aao. With +4 to hit. Take Combat Reflexes to enjoy all those extra attacks and since you are taking TW feats anyway, pick up Precise Strike to make up that lost sneak attack die.

A match made in heaven, this multiclassing.


Perram wrote:

Hello!

One of my players is playing a Rogue that is rather religious... at least as religious as you can get following Cayden Cailean. He is /very/ CG and pretty much a typical swashbuckling hero type.

He's wanted to show this in some statistical way on his character

You can make a PrC for him, or an archetype, etc.

Ask him what he wants to give up from rogue levels for this religious statistical way on his character. See what he can live without, and come up with something that you think is worth it. Present that to him as an option.

-James

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