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when a cleric made an attack against undead, it is 100% damage or 50% if the undead fails its DD test.


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mass wrote:
when a cleric made an attack against undead, it is 100% damage or 50% if the undead fails its DD test.

Can you please expand on some of this? I am having problems parsing this question.


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Happler wrote:
mass wrote:
when a cleric made an attack against undead, it is 100% damage or 50% if the undead fails its DD test.
Can you please expand on some of this? I am having problems parsing this question.

Sorry I lost one world.

When the cleric made an attack with spell of wounds.....


I don't know what "spell of wounds" is, and I also don't know what "DD" is. Please explain these two a little better.

The closest I can get to a cleric casting "spell of wounds" would be a cleric casting an "inflict wounds" spell. The "inflict wounds" spells would actually heal an undead rather than damage it.


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Are wrote:

I don't know what "spell of wounds" is, and I also don't know what "DD" is. Please explain these two a little better.

The closest I can get to a cleric casting "spell of wounds" would be a cleric casting an "inflict wounds" spell. The "inflict wounds" spells would actually heal an undead rather than damage it.

Sorry I'm French and my English it's not very good.

I'll try again

When a cleric use "Cure Light Wounds" against a shadow (for example), he makes all the damage, or just 50% if the undead fails his saving throw

PS : DC = DD in French


Nice to learn that.

Anyways:

If the shadow fails its save throw then it takes 1/2 damage.

If the shadow succeeds on the save throw it takes 1/4 damage.


mass wrote:


Sorry I'm French and my English it's not very good.

I'll try again

When a cleric use "Cure Light Wounds" against a shadow (for example), he makes all the damage, or just 50% if the undead fails his saving throw

PS : DC = DD in French

Correct.

Edit: Abraham reminded me that a shadow is incorporeal. Incorporeal creatures take half damage from corporeal sources. However if you changed your example to say a skeleton, you would be right.


Ah, that makes much more sense :)

If a regular undead fails the saving throw, it takes 100% damage.
If it succeeds on the saving throw, it takes 50% damage instead.

However, a Shadow undead is incorporeal. Since it is incorporeal, it takes 50% damage if it fails the saving throw, and only 25% damage if it succeeds on the saving throw.

Edit: If the cleric instead uses his "channel energy" class feature to damage the Shadow, it will take 100% damage if it fails the saving throw, and 50% damage if it succeeds. This is because the rules for incorporeal specifically state that damage from "channel energy" is not reduced.

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I could swear i saw that paizo said positive and negative energy bypassed incorporeal. Not just channeling, but every cure and inflict.


Beckett wrote:
I could swear i saw that paizo said positive and negative energy bypassed incorporeal. Not just channeling, but every cure and inflict.

It was my first thought as well, but after checking incorporeal special ability it specifically excludes channel energy when mentioning half-damage from corporeal sources:

Quote:
Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy).

I think that I will house-rule that cure spells inflict full damage on incorporeal undeads.

It also brings question: if inflict spells heal undeads and thus are not damaging effect do they suffer from 50% chance of not affecting incorporeal Undead if cast on them by evil cleric?


Drejk wrote:
Beckett wrote:
I could swear i saw that paizo said positive and negative energy bypassed incorporeal. Not just channeling, but every cure and inflict.

It was my first thought as well, but after checking incorporeal special ability it specifically excludes channel energy when mentioning half-damage from corporeal sources:

Quote:
Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy).

I think that I will house-rule that cure spells inflict full damage on incorporeal undeads.

It also brings question: if inflict spells heal undeads and thus are not damaging effect do they suffer from 50% chance of not affecting incorporeal Undead if cast on them by evil cleric?

Check the Bestiary errata gang; I found the note about channel energy and incorporeality there.

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