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It was a kinda weird movie but I really liked it.


I was really, really looking forward to this, was going to take my son. But then people I trusted got to see it early and were terribly disappointed by it.

I usually ignore such advice, but money is tight...

Man... now I don't know. Maybe we should go this weekend.

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Going to see it tomorrow night. Looking forward to it.

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Bruunwald wrote:

I was really, really looking forward to this, was going to take my son. But then people I trusted got to see it early and were terribly disappointed by it.

I usually ignore such advice, but money is tight...

Man... now I don't know. Maybe we should go this weekend.

Well it depends what you are expecting. There is a story to it, but it is told in a odd way. Basically the movie is about a young woman taken the a mental hospital and wants to escape. There is reality which is only partially shown. Then their is "reality" of what is general going on which is vaguely based on real life and then there is the "scenes" where reality totally falls away. Like fighting steam/clockwork nazi zombies for example. :)

It is a odd movie and surreal but if you like that, then I think you will like this.

Silver Crusade

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Like fighting steam/clockwork nazi zombies for example. :)

Looks like I'm heading to the theater this weekend.

Shadow Lodge

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Like fighting steam/clockwork nazi zombies for example. :)

What's not to love about this sentence, heh :D

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You. Will. Be. Underwhelmed.

Watching Sucker Punch is basically like watching a Shojo Mary Sue fanfic brought to life. The grrls all have interchangeable stripper names and pretty much every character is essentially well-dressed cardboard and just as disposable.

spoiler:
Just to drive that point home, three of the strippers die horribly and nobody seems to notice they're missing afterwards.
The sad part is that early on there is a scene where one of the support hos makes a comment that borders on self-awareness but then Snyder immediately drops any pretense that the rest of the movie is going to be any fun. There really isn't a story here. There's an idea that was probably scrawled onto a napkin at some point, but there isn't a story. The payoff to all this is an ending that perfectly sums up how hollow this film and its characters are.

If that's your thing, knock yourself out.


I liked the movie but the ending I found to be depressing.

Grand Lodge

We've been nervous about reviews, but I generally never trust them unless its some major main stream title, which to me this is not. We're checking it out on Sunday.


Andrew Betts wrote:
We've been nervous about reviews, but I generally never trust them unless its some major main stream title, which to me this is not. We're checking it out on Sunday.

This was the biggest waste of 120 of my minutes so far this year.

The Exchange

What a fun film.

Lots of action, lots of eye candy. Pretty much as advertised. I'm not sure what more people were expecting.

There was one scene in particular that I have been wanting to see for nearly 10 years, and that one bit was AWESOME! Anyone who has seen Reign of Fire should know exactly what I'm talking about.


Velcro Zipper wrote:

You. Will. Be. Underwhelmed.

Watching Sucker Punch is basically like watching a Shojo Mary Sue fanfic brought to life. The grrls all have interchangeable stripper names and pretty much every character is essentially well-dressed cardboard and just as disposable. ** spoiler omitted ** The sad part is that early on there is a scene where one of the support hos makes a comment that borders on self-awareness but then Snyder immediately drops any pretense that the rest of the movie is going to be any fun. There really isn't a story here. There's an idea that was probably scrawled onto a napkin at some point, but there isn't a story. The payoff to all this is an ending that perfectly sums up how hollow this film and its characters are.

If that's your thing, knock yourself out.

This pretty much sums up what my associates told me. Months and months ago, when I saw the first trailers, I was stoked. I, myself have delved into all of the subgenres depicted and mixing them is one of my favorite things to do. It looked just like the best, craziest games we've played.

But I am also a smart guy, a student of film, and a pretty good writer, and I realize how delicate that balance between visual and story can be.

A solid decade now of really good fantasy, superhero and sci-fi flicks (with notable rotten exceptions) has spoiled the literate amongst us while also pushing the limits of what can be done visually. Ironically, great films with spectacular visuals embolden less intellectual creators to push their own visions, often sadly displaying their shortcomings, rather than strengths.

Anyway, I'll see it eventually. Told a friend tonight who was going that I'd rather spend the enormous amount of money needed for my son and myself to go with him on a couple of lunches and a trip to Starbucks and just catch this flick at a matinee or on Blu-Ray.

Sovereign Court

Man, what a steaming pile of poo this movie was. Half the theatre boo'ed it at the end; the other end just burst out laughing.

My two friends and I were just filling blanks during the unbearable silences during the monologues (there were no dialogues: any attempt at dialogue was in fact badly stitched together monologues), and thus at least making some people around us laugh.

PS: for the record, I've only performed in-movie schtick like this once or twice in my life.... so I don't make it a habit to do this. I think the last time I did this was 20+ years ago when I saw ninja turtles 2 or 3, so this movie is on the same order of quality in my opinion


I thought it was a terrible movie. It was boring, disjointed and I believe it failed to make whatever point it was trying to make.

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I liked the first two action sequences. I felt sorry for the dragons. By the fourth action sequence, I was bored. And the ending blows sweaty donkey balls.


I felt about this the way I feel about 300: excellent visual design, and they had a chance to tell an interesting story, but put all their work in the visuals instead. Going into the movie with the expectation that it's a cross-genre '300' with strippers, I'd say that my biggest qualm was that I wish they'd use actresses who look like they could fight, rather than strippers. Not that I really minded, of course...and, given, the fight scenes were all mental representations of stripper-dancin' anyway.

Overall, then, I'd say it was OK, excellent visuals, but I'm glad I bought the popcorn and my friend bought the tickets; I might have gotten more of my money's worth. Splurging on the IMAX version was a bit much. ;)


Perhaps an R rating and less clothing would convince me to see this. These posts confirm my opinion about this movie from the trailers I've seen, more poorly made Hollywood crap. Perhaps with the sound off and the ability to fast forward I will enjoy the action scenes, IF I bother to put it in my netflix queue.


I liked the visuals.
I liked the story concept.
The acting was nil. Sad, because there were some talented people in it.
I understood all the dreams within dreams.( stated b/c friend I saw with said I must have not realized what was going on.*)
Loved the music. Especially the version of Sweet Dreams, ending as she entered Lennox House.
I advised others to wait for cheaper venues to watch it.

Budget is very important to me as well. This is a big year for movies for me. Sucker Punch, Thor, Captain America, Green Lantern, and one more I cannot seem to recall at this time (probably one of those rare story driven movies :P). Friend convinced me to see it opening day. (RARELY do I do this anymore) I learned from my mistake. Wait a few weeks and listen to what people say.

Greg

*:
My buddy loved it. But then, he loves any movie he pays to see. Part of some strange ego thing, "I wanted it, I paid for it, it was good!"

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

I've learned that when Howard Tayler (of Schlock Mercenary) loves a critically panned film, I'll likely hate it. He's a very useful reviewer for me in that regard.

Grand Lodge

The wife and I saw it today. We both loved it. Yes there were some issues. We enjoyed it nonetheless.

The Exchange

Dragon78 wrote:
I liked the movie but the ending I found to be depressing.

+1


Bruunwald wrote:
A solid decade now of really good fantasy, superhero and sci-fi flicks (with notable rotten exceptions) has spoiled the literate amongst us while also pushing the limits of what can be done visually. Ironically, great films with spectacular visuals embolden less intellectual creators to push their own visions, often sadly displaying their shortcomings, rather than strengths.

Ummm say what?

I would hardly say we have had a solid decade of anything of the kind, we have had a couple of rare gems scattered in amongst the mountains of dirt. In the main it has been really apaling... and thats assuming we stick to just movies.

TV shows have generally been worse.

I think, if anything, we have gone backwards and that the mainstream media producers have just gone with CGI to 'deliver' most of the movies...

how many good fantasy films did we get in the last 10 years? (other than LOTR/Narnia) what about Superhero? (Aside from Iron Man) Sdi-Fi? (aside from arthouse like Moon or Sunshine)


I liked it. I did go in with low expectations though. I thought it would be really "stream of consciousness" and hard to follow, but I thought the plot was coherent, and I liked the ending. I would say that waiting for a lower budget theater or a rental would be fine though; it's not a "must see".

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I rather enjoyed it. The story was nothing special and the dream-within-dreams thing could have been easier to follow, but the fantastical sequences were pretty fun to watch from a "sit back and be entertained" standpoint. I was all on-board once the zombie steampunk Nazis came on the scene.

The ending was a little depressing, but

Spoiler:
it was fore-shadowed enough that you should see it coming.

If you watch the trailers, then go into the theater expecting a deep, well-written story including heavy dialogue, then you haven't watched the same trailers as everyone else.

Really, this movie had everything a 12-year-old boy needed.

-Skeld


Well except for female nudity but everything else a 12 year old boy would want. It was like a PG-13 version of a "Heavy metal" movie/comic and with about the same amount of dialogue. But the only real "sucker punch" of the movie was the ending even it was hinted/forshadowed.

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This movie was very bland, even the action scenes. The only real reason it was worth my money was because I was on a date.


Shifty wrote:
Bruunwald wrote:
A solid decade now of really good fantasy, superhero and sci-fi flicks (with notable rotten exceptions) has spoiled the literate amongst us while also pushing the limits of what can be done visually. Ironically, great films with spectacular visuals embolden less intellectual creators to push their own visions, often sadly displaying their shortcomings, rather than strengths.

Ummm say what?

I would hardly say we have had a solid decade of anything of the kind, we have had a couple of rare gems scattered in amongst the mountains of dirt. In the main it has been really apaling... and thats assuming we stick to just movies.

TV shows have generally been worse.

I think, if anything, we have gone backwards and that the mainstream media producers have just gone with CGI to 'deliver' most of the movies...

how many good fantasy films did we get in the last 10 years? (other than LOTR/Narnia) what about Superhero? (Aside from Iron Man) Sdi-Fi? (aside from arthouse like Moon or Sunshine)

I have to agree with the former quote here. He already concedes that there are some truly awful movies out there, but it was about ten years ago that it was proven that scifi and fantasy movies can and do make considerable amount of cash and as a result, several movies that normally wouldn't have been made were. The comparitive ease of finding investors plus a relatively new technology that means directors are less at the behest of cash when it comes to special effects equals more original visions coming to screen, for better or for worse.


Maybe a better question to ask would be what people were expecting from this movie?


Very cool visual effects (to me the action scenes were the only reason to go see the movie & I feel they delivered) and an okay plot, the ending being my only real complaint.


Hmm lets look at the credits for the movie:

Ohh Zack Snider Produced, Directed, and Wrote

I wonder what happened when someone went to Zack Snider, the producer or Director, about an issue with Zack Snider, the writers, script.

Derp, derp, derp.

Didn't Hollywood learn from Lucas?


Dragonsong wrote:

Hmm lets look at the credits for the movie:

Ohh Zack Snider Produced, Directed, and Wrote

I wonder what happened when someone went to Zack Snider, the producer or Director, about an issue with Zack Snider, the writers, script.

Derp, derp, derp.

Didn't Hollywood learn from Lucas?

hmm.

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Freehold DM wrote:
but it was about ten years ago that it was proven that scifi and fantasy movies can and do make considerable amount of cash

I'd agree on fantasy movies, which didn't have many blockbusters prior to LotR and Harry Potter. However, scifi? The original blockbuster itself was a scifi film (Star Wars). And you've got films like Terminator 2, Independence Day, Jurassic Park, ET...


Russ Taylor wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
but it was about ten years ago that it was proven that scifi and fantasy movies can and do make considerable amount of cash
I'd agree on fantasy movies, which didn't have many blockbusters prior to LotR and Harry Potter. However, scifi? The original blockbuster itself was a scifi film (Star Wars). And you've got films like Terminator 2, Independence Day, Jurassic Park, ET...

good counter. Should not have lumped them in together. Maybe it would be better to say that the 90s were the time for scifi and the 21st century is the time for fantasy?


Freehold DM wrote:
[how many good fantasy films did we get in the last 10 years? (other than LOTR/Narnia) what about Superhero? (Aside from Iron Man) Sdi-Fi? (aside from arthouse like Moon or Sunshine)
I have to agree with the former quote here. He already concedes that there are some truly awful movies out there, but it was about ten years ago that it was proven that scifi and fantasy movies can and do make considerable amount of cash and as a result, several movies that normally wouldn't have been made were. The comparitive ease of finding investors plus a relatively new technology that means directors are less at the behest of cash when it comes to special effects equals more original visions coming to screen, for better or for worse.

I wanted to go back to this point briefly.

There is financing wise still the caveat of mass market-ability. As evidenced by Del Toro/Cameron's problems with At the Mountains Of Madness. An R rating for fantasy, sci-fi, or horror is still pushing it into the B, C, D, or worse budget speaking. It stinks. I cannot really imagine Ron Howard's proposed Dark Tower Film/ TV series hybrid not being R rated and thus also running afoul of Studios that are reluctant to spend big on a movie that the rating is going to limit ticket sales more than a PG-13 rating would.


Freehold DM wrote:
good counter. Should not have lumped them in together. Maybe it would be better to say that the 90s were the time for scifi and the 21st century is the time for fantasy?

So now that we reached the future we want to go back to the past?


Dennis Harry wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
good counter. Should not have lumped them in together. Maybe it would be better to say that the 90s were the time for scifi and the 21st century is the time for fantasy?
So now that we reached the future we want to go back to the past?

I would say that it has more to do with our apparent inability to leave the earth for any extended period/space colonization has turned our cultural eye away from space opera and more to reconstructions of this earth. Purely my opinion though.

Dark Archive

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Freehold DM wrote:

Maybe a better question to ask would be what people were expecting from this movie?

I was expecting a surreal fantasy/scifi/action movie with only basic acting, little plot, with hot girls kicking butt. Which is pretty much what the movie was, though the plot was actually a bit better than I was expecting. But I had pretty low expectations going in. :)

I imagine that has a bit to do with how much people liked it. What they was expecting to get out of it. It was pretty close to what I thought it would be.

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donato wrote:
This movie was very bland, even the action scenes. The only real reason it was worth my money was because I was on a date.

Good man. At least it may have given ideas to the missus as how to dress when you got to her apartment.

Edit: or, seeing that the movie sucked so bad, she took it as a bad omen and broke up on the spot? Hopefully not, but I wouldn't put it past that movie to produce such as bletch effect...

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
donato wrote:
This movie was very bland, even the action scenes. The only real reason it was worth my money was because I was on a date.

Good man. At least it may have given ideas to the missus as how to dress when you got to her apartment.

Edit: or, seeing that the movie sucked so bad, she took it as a bad omen and broke up on the spot? Hopefully not, but I wouldn't put it past that movie to produce such as bletch effect...

It was her idea to go, so there were no worries about any problems with it. We gave it a 'meh' and went home and watched Toy Story. It was a better use of our night.


After seeing Sucker Punch this weekend, it makes me cringe to think that Snyder is at the helm of the Superman reboot, particularly with casting of Amy Adams as Lois Lane - an admittedly better casting pick than Kate Bosworth. I had high hopes for Sucker Punch and basically feel as though Snyder should strictly stick to directing and keep his mits out of writing. Visually, the movie was entertaining, but he has shown he can do visually entertaining movies WITH a decent story, provided he's not the one who came up with the story. In short, Suckered is all you get with Sucker Punch.


Freehold DM wrote:
I have to agree with the former quote here. He already concedes that there are some truly awful movies out there, but it was about ten years ago that it was proven that scifi and fantasy movies can and do make considerable amount of cash and as a result, several movies that normally wouldn't have been made were.

But that was a caveat on the statement "A solid decade now of really good fantasy, superhero and sci-fi flicks (with notable rotten exceptions) has spoiled the literate amongst us while also pushing the limits of what can be done visually."

I want to know what made up the solid decade, as by and large we have been fed second rate dross.

Yes he notes 'exceptions', but I'm arguing that in the main it has been almost exclusively a pile of steaming dross.

War films have gotten better (sorta) and a few other genres, but thats about it.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

I would argue Super Hero films have gotten much better in the past decade.

They made reasonably good films out of Batman, The X-Men, Spider-Man, Hellboy, Iron Man, Watchmen, and Kick-Ass. Half of those had decent sequels (one each). Plus, Pixar had The Incredibles, which absolutely rocked.

Have there been some stinkers? Yeah, just look for the number 3 at the end of the title. But compare that list to how many good super hero movies came out prior to 2000.

Of course, really it all comes down to what you consider "really good" and what you consider "second hand dross", which is entirely subjective.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Dragonsong wrote:
Didn't Hollywood learn from Lucas?

The Star Wars prequels made money.

What more is there for Hollywood to learn?


I enjoyed this movie for a couple reasons. Ofcourse the visuals and the soundtrack combined to be something quite moving. I thought the opening sequence was very good. I also thought that the movie stands up as a descent action movie all on its own, but that it adds something special to it. I think the story and the acting could have used some polish, but I definately enjoyed the movie. Maybe like others said it was because I didnt expect alot from it, and got more then I bargained from in the process. After all it isnt often you get to watch hot chicks fight a dragon at minas tirith with a c130 gunship and ninja swords.


Lord Fyre wrote:
Dragonsong wrote:
Didn't Hollywood learn from Lucas?

The Star Wars prequels made money.

What more is there for Hollywood to learn?

We are the reason we can't have nice things.

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My opinion of this movie has nothing to do with my expectations. I didn't expect this movie to suck. I expected Sucker Punch to be bad but entertaining. If I expect a movie to suck, I just don't pay to watch it.

Sucker Punch was beyond suck. It would be one thing if this movie was just forgettable, but Sucker Punch is a movie that actually makes me angry when I try to think of where to start when describing how absolutely it fails as a film.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

I thought it was one of the worst movies I've seen in awhile.

Total bait and switch from the previews/movie posters.

It had virtually no plot, and the thin, disjointed plot that did exist made you feel like the characters were completing levels of a cheesy 80's video game every roughly 15 minutes or so.

It was terrible. This movie is not even worth a rental IMO. I wanted to walk out halfway through, but my girlfriend fell asleep and I didn't want to wake her.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Why would a sexually abused girl trying to mentally escape a asylum from the 50s/60s(based on the technology level in use) dream herself into a whorehouse where she is being abused and then from there into a 12 year old boy's wet dream fight sequences in a stripper's schoolgirl outfit? Samurai; steampunk; fantasy, robots?

And don't even get me started about that "Don't worry about having to kill them, they're already dead" line....

And how mysoginistic is it that in the end, the only escapee still has to be rescued by an old man? To prove that it's still part of the girl's fantasy?

This movie was offensive to thinking people everywhere.

I think I just figured out why the author/director/producer called it "Sucker Punch." Sneak Attack to your brain, MFer!

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Velcro Zipper wrote:

My opinion of this movie has nothing to do with my expectations. I didn't expect this movie to suck. I expected Sucker Punch to be bad but entertaining. If I expect a movie to suck, I just don't pay to watch it.

Sucker Punch was beyond suck. It would be one thing if this movie was just forgettable, but Sucker Punch is a movie that actually makes me angry when I try to think of where to start when describing how absolutely it fails as a film.

Worse than The Spirit?


Good call Matt. I busted my wife's chops to watch that and it was so bad I had to turn it off after 15 minutes.

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