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Actually he made a distinct point in addressing Amy as Mrs Williams at the end of "The Girl Who Waited"Why am I thinking that it's the missing years of the doctors life that we haven't seen that are going to come into play here (which I presume occurred between the time he dropped off Amy and Rory and his appearance at the beginning of this episode)..that would go a long way towards explaining his wistfulness at seeing the Williams in the store as it's been two centuries for him since he saw them last.Not Williams, Pond.
And then saying Pond very quietly when he saw her in the last episode 200 hundred years later.
Also at the end of the 10th Dr. he spent some time off doing things when he knew the end was inevitable.
Well, the Sun online's been claiming today that ** spoiler omitted ** for the Christmas Special this year: *link*
So, that implies something's going to turn out to have been not quite what it seems in this coming Saturday's episode.
Which I already said. The episode blurb implies as much and they hinted at it in The Girl Who Waited.
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"Dr, oh so good,
He turned away from violence,
when he understood,
the falling of the silence."
How curious.....
Oh. So apparently they meant that question.
Oh well.New companion introduced in Christmas special maybe?
Overall is was a little bit flat. An episode jazzing up the fact the tesalecta was covering for the Doctor. It was nice that the Brig passing away was what pushed him into accepting his death and I did like the alternate world, and it was an improvement on last series but I'm just not getting the 'Wow! that was great! factor.'
Cheers
Mark
What? That's the question???
After all the build up, it comes down to that? I hope they can make the actual payoff worthwhile, because right now I am not impressed.
"What's the Doctor's name" was what I was expecting in the first place.
Least we know when we will be getting a new Doctor - when the episode comes up with whatever that place was.
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Best line of the entire episode.
"She didn't get it all from you, Sweetie."
I did find it interesting that the Silence referenced Rory's status as the show's 'Kenny'.
That was the best line. Close second for me was:
"Of course I'm sure, I'm his wife."
"And I'm his...mother-in-law..."
"Oh dear, Daddy, I think Mummy needs a glass of wine."
Best line of the entire episode.
"She didn't get it all from you, Sweetie."
Madam forgot one crucial thing..Amy is Scottish..and nobody holds a grudge like we do.
I have to say I had a laugh at the ' The name is Pond, Amelia Pond ' line..Ive been waiting for Amy to come out with the Bond variation for ages
I still think it would have been more appropriate, and more poignant on the whole "emotionally impacting noble self sacrifice" scale if it had really been Pudding Doctor that got killed at Lake Silencio... But we can't have it all.
As it was, I finished up the night by shouting at the screen that Moffat is a magnificent bastard, but that's just me.
Just something that struck me as I was thinking over the Doctors convoluted relationships..
We know the Doctor has a link to Rassilon...what if that link is that he is Rassilons son?
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Overall, I liked it, from the weird alternate mish-mash world, to the flashback telling of the Doctor's solo investigating. I was a bit underwhelmed by the question, but depending on the meaning of it, it could be a better question than the actual words the make it up.
I wonder if the answering of the question will be the focus of next season, or if they'll put it off until 2013 for the 50th anniversary. On a side note, with the strong rumors that they'll be doing a multiple doctor story for the 50th, and with that being Matt Smith's 4 year in the role, I wonder if they'll cast the next actor early, and have them show up as a future doctor in the episode, along with the various past doctors that they can round up.
I still think it would have been more appropriate, and more poignant on the whole "emotionally impacting noble self sacrifice" scale if it had really been Pudding Doctor that got killed at Lake Silencio... But we can't have it all.
As it was, I finished up the night by shouting at the screen that Moffat is a magnificent bastard, but that's just me.
It explains where the TARDIS was.
Keep in mind that the 8th Dr. is Canon. Therefore the Dr. is part human.
** spoiler omitted **
I'm still unconvinced that the Gallifreyans (note, not the Time Lords, but the original Gallifreyans) aren't actually highly evolved Humans tossed back through time. There were a couple of episodes during the Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy eras that indicated that the Time Lords were none-too-happy with Humans trying to get ahold of Time Travel before "the right time," so... Yeah. Dunno.
But it would explain a few things, including the Part Human bit.
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Keep in mind that the 8th Dr. is Canon. Therefore the Dr. is part human.
** spoiler omitted **
I'm still unconvinced that the Gallifreyans (note, not the Time Lords, but the original Gallifreyans) aren't actually highly evolved Humans tossed back through time. There were a couple of episodes during the Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy eras that indicated that the Time Lords were none-too-happy with Humans trying to get ahold of Time Travel before "the right time," so... Yeah. Dunno.
But it would explain a few things, including the Part Human bit.
Well with the references to the Nimons the Mondas Cybermen and the like, it appears that Moffit is tying the two series together more and more. (maybe for 2013?) Could it be that the question unlocks the time war and brings back what's left of Gallifrey? Or could he be referencing the 'The Other' controversy from years ago and maybe we find out the Doctor went back in time and actually helped Rassilon and Omega?
Oh one thing I realized.
Trippy Theory
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Keep in mind that the 8th Dr. is Canon. Therefore the Dr. is part human.
** spoiler omitted **
As the current Doctor would put it:
"Rule One: The Doctor Lies"If we only have the Doctor's word for it, at a time when he had just undergone a regeneration which was messed up by human interference, and desperately needed sympathetic allies (and his immediate 'predecessor, the seventh Doctor, was into manipulating people to a huge degree) how much can it be taken as true?
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I'm not sure how much what went on in the 8th Doctor novels is regarded as canon, or to what extent 'part human Doctor' may have played there, but at some point in the novels wasn't there a huge thing going on with a group of timelords called 'Faction Paradox' who had been trying to mess with the Doctor's timeline to force him to join their ranks?
From what I understand yes, there was a group trying desperately to get him to join their ranks.
fair enough on the lies thing, it would explain much. I think the only thing canon is the movie for the 8th. They very rarely if ever take into account any of the novels as canon.
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From what I've read is that in a prior life... The Doctor was The Other, that silent third partner to Rassilon and Omega, whom after Rassilon started evolving into a tyrant threw himself into the Loom and was reincarnated (not regenerated) into The Doctor. The Other was Susan Foreman's blood relative.Just something that struck me as I was thinking over the Doctors convoluted relationships..
We know the Doctor has a link to Rassilon...what if that link is that he is Rassilons son?
I seem to remember something to that affect as well. Once again though, the books are generally taken with a grain of salt and ignored when the producers want to do something different.
Keep in mind that the 8th Dr. is Canon. Therefore the Dr. is part human.
** spoiler omitted **
I'm still unconvinced that the Gallifreyans (note, not the Time Lords, but the original Gallifreyans) aren't actually highly evolved Humans tossed back through time. There were a couple of episodes during the Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy eras that indicated that the Time Lords were none-too-happy with Humans trying to get ahold of Time Travel before "the right time," so... Yeah. Dunno.
But it would explain a few things, including the Part Human bit.
There are a lot of things that are highly evolved humans but I am pretty sure Time Lords are not one of them. I mean, they don't even have the same anatomy. Where in evolution would you develop a second heart?
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I wanted to make sure I understand something correctly after the finale. Between The God Complex and the Wedding of River Song, the Doctor was on the run for 200 years, and then after the finale, he's alive, and 200 years older than he was up until the end of the God Complex? Nothing in the finale undid that, right?
If so, then while there's no practical effect on the continuation of the show, it gives a nice window for books and "stuff from the Doctor's past that the viewers have never heard of before" to have occured in.
I wanted to make sure I understand something correctly after the finale. Between The God Complex and the Wedding of River Song, the Doctor was on the run for 200 years, and then after the finale, he's alive, and 200 years older than he was up until the end of the God Complex? Nothing in the finale undid that, right?
If so, then while there's no practical effect on the continuation of the show, it gives a nice window for books and "stuff from the Doctor's past that the viewers have never heard of before" to have occured in.
Yeah, it's basically "insert media here." Especially those events skimmed across in the season premier episode.
I can't think of any stretch that long in the Doctor's life between things happening.
Keep in mind that the 8th Dr. is Canon. Therefore the Dr. is part human.
** spoiler omitted **
I'm still unconvinced that the Gallifreyans (note, not the Time Lords, but the original Gallifreyans) aren't actually highly evolved Humans tossed back through time. There were a couple of episodes during the Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy eras that indicated that the Time Lords were none-too-happy with Humans trying to get ahold of Time Travel before "the right time," so... Yeah. Dunno.
But it would explain a few things, including the Part Human bit.
There are a lot of things that are highly evolved humans but I am pretty sure Time Lords are not one of them. I mean, they don't even have the same anatomy. Where in evolution would you develop a second heart?
Well, considering that Humans have been detailed in Canon as having spent a million years as "downloads," beings of nothing but thought, big flaps of skin, and itty bitty squashed spiky slicey death orbs - it seems to me that engineering or evolving a secondary vascular system would be pretty easy to do.
It's all pure conjecture on my part, though (like most of the thread, really... ;) )
I did like the touch that in River Song's final scene in that series she's wearing her Byzantium outfit.
Because, as she literally says, she jumped there directly after escaping the Byzantium. They are periodically checking back and forth with each other. Though it's not even remotely clear why she waits until then to go back and reveal what the Doctor said at Lake Silencio.
Also, what's unclear, ultimately, is WHY the Doctor asked River to marry him. Clearly it was to give someone (it's not exactly clear whether it was the Doctor or River) access to the tesselator's control banks as a family member, but it doesn't show us why that's important.
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Also, what's unclear, ultimately, is WHY the Doctor asked River to marry him. Clearly it was to give someone (it's not exactly clear whether it was the Doctor or River) access to the tesselator's control banks as a family member, but it doesn't show us why that's important.
While I'm not ruling out some sort of tricky ulterior motive like this, it is possible that he loves her and wants to marry her. Or that he does it because it seems like an appropriate time and he feels he has to based on what he knows from River's future from his past meetings with her. (plus, in the 200 missing years, he could have seen her once or twice, and gotten more information from her that led him to think that he had to marry her soon, so why not now.)
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Also, what's unclear, ultimately, is WHY the Doctor asked River to marry him. Clearly it was to give someone (it's not exactly clear whether it was the Doctor or River) access to the tesselator's control banks as a family member, but it doesn't show us why that's important.
Well, (and I'm inferring a lot) the Doctor disabled the bot when he talked to it earlier in the episode, before he revealed that he knew it was the tesselator. Maybe the bot has a self defense mechanism that needed to be disarmed?
Bachelorette River: Realizes it's a bot, dies horribly.
Married River: Can be told it's a bot.
I thought it was pretty clear that he married her so that she could not deny him his request. Especially with that "Wife, I have a request" line.
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One thing I enjoyed is that Rory, no matter the reality is loyal to his wife. Love for the ages and all that.
That and Captain Williams took a level in badass. "It already has, ma'am." indeed.
I think we need an alternate Rory who works for UNIT. "Dalek attacking my wife. Leftennant, chap with eyestalk. Five rounds rapid."
I'm of the opinion that Rory Williams wins every Action Hero award. All of them. In the history of EVER.
One thing I enjoyed is that Rory, no matter the reality is loyal to his wife. Love for the ages and all that.
That and Captain Williams took a level in badass. "It already has, ma'am." indeed.
Badass yes, but utterly stupid and nonsensical. Everyone else had already removed their eye patches yet were still running away but he isn't removing his because he will forget what he is supposed to be fighting? Whatever comes through the damn door like a tempest.
Then he is completely incapable of doing anything and is disabled the second they break in and Amy has to save him, again.The only good part was when they were walking away from the room down the hall and were like "We should go get dinner" "Yeah" "Then get married" "Yes."
I am hoping that in Series 7 we can see Mickey and Martha Smith again, even if it is just in a one shot.
I'm surprised they weren't involved in the finale. It looks like the 11th is ONLY dealing with Rory, Amy, and River.
And I missed that 200 years went pass... Was that mentioned at all? I know it was in the first episode.
A good question is: How much of that 200 years was spent in the timeless alternate universe? The Doctor would probably count it as time spent, whether time was actually passing or not. Timey wimey and all that.
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A good question is: How much of that 200 years was spent in the timeless alternate universe? The Doctor would probably count it as time spent, whether time was actually passing or not. Timey wimey and all that.
And I missed that 200 years went pass... Was that mentioned at all? I know it was in the first episode.
Well he said he was 900 vs. 700 years old in the season premier, before he was in the alternate universe.
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Ok so since in the alternate universe when Amy Pond kills old "granny good" by leaving her eye-patch on, it did not count. Then the Dr. and River Pond got married in the same universe, sorry it didn't happen?? Or does it still count since the Dr. is immune to Paradox and Amy is not?
Is River immune to Paradox; if so does that mean a lot of the stuff that does not make sense really does, if you squint and look at it sideways?
To answer one question the 200 years takes place before the alternate universe. The Dr. aged in the alternate as well. Since he is Immune to paradox, that means the Dr. is a lot older than 900 years. Of course we already know this since River pointed out to 10 that he was fibbing about his age.
Reminds me of the first time we see River, he took a hard look at 10 and said ah your not my Dr. yet. Just like a timelord would. Not by how they look but by how they sense them.
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<alternate realities stuff>
Ok here's how I understand it.
1) Prime 'Granny Goodness' is alive, she has no memory of Alt-Amy killing her*.
2) Prime Amy remembers Alt-Amy (mostly) because of her unique nature. (Makes me wonder if it had been Amy in the suit, if she'd been able to break the fixed point w/o reprecussions.)
3) The Doctor and River remember because they were the poles of the paradox.
4) Prime Silence are still being killed, Alt-Silence were still there because of the fractured timeline.
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Also, what's unclear, ultimately, is WHY the Doctor asked River to marry him. Clearly it was to give someone (it's not exactly clear whether it was the Doctor or River) access to the tesselator's control banks as a family member, but it doesn't show us why that's important.While I'm not ruling out some sort of tricky ulterior motive like this, it is possible that he loves her and wants to marry her. Or that he does it because it seems like an appropriate time and he feels he has to based on what he knows from River's future from his past meetings with her. (plus, in the 200 missing years, he could have seen her once or twice, and gotten more information from her that led him to think that he had to marry her soon, so why not now.)
We know that he saw her several times in that space of time. When they meet up in the first episode of this season, they joke about several adventures that he hadn't had with Amy and Rory.
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Badass yes, but utterly stupid and nonsensical. Everyone else had already removed their eye patches yet were still running away but he isn't removing his because he will forget what he is supposed to be fighting? Whatever comes through the damn door like a tempest.
No offense Cartigan, but remember the bit with Winston and the Doctor. Even in the middle of a fight, they suddenly have no idea what the heck they're doing.
Taking off the eyepatch would result in:
"Ok, why am I holding my gun?" *sounds of banging against door* "My men are out there, but why? Am I guarding? Well no marks on my arm so no Silents about. Why did I take my patch off, hold on let me put it back on."
*Door gives way, Rory loses precious seconds trying to get his patch on/in shock/fumbling with his revolver, dies horribly.*