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Hi!
Maybe I'm missing it (I've tried sifting through the numerous messages), but I was wondering if there was a date for when the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play is going to be updated and re-released. I know that various important rulings have been changed since the last iteration and that these corrections currently float out on the boards.
Unfortunately, this method has caused quite a bit of confusion and uncertainty, even from those players who regularly read the message boards. I know that it isn't an easy task, but it is something I feel is important to have up-to-date.
Anyway, if someone knows of a general date, it would be super helpful.
Thanks!
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I know that it isn't an easy task
+1
I know we're all getting antsy, but I think Hyrum and Mark are working on this as fast as they can. Since (as they have stated) the "update" OP Guide is in fact a complete rewrite containing multiple guides (quick-start, player, and GM so far announced), we know they're working on it.
As for a specific date. Paizo has done well for itself not committing to specific dates of release to prevent disappointment when inevitably other priorities take hold. I really doubt you'll get a firm response from any of the powers that be.
Maybe this is just my own thoughts I am remembering or maybe it is something I saw somewhere on the boards from either Mark or Hyrum, but I thought there was something about them probably not being released before PaizoCon in June.
I understand not wanting to update the PFS guide like hourly, but can we have "official" rulings be posted at least in a centralized standard location? Like a dedicated blog page or newsfeed?
-j
That was essentially what the stickied FAQ thread was for, but that one is way out of date. But generally, anything really major, like the change to replay and how your characters get credit, is put into a stickied thread in this sub-forum.
I mentioned in one of the threads about this, suggesting that since they have the dedicated Additional Resources page, that they could either add major rules changes on to that page or make a page like that one that would contain the major changes, but I don't think I ever got an answer to that or perhaps my suggestion was never seen.
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
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I mentioned in one of the threads about this, suggesting that since they have the dedicated Additional Resources page, that they could either add major rules changes on to that page or make a page like that one that would contain the major changes, but I don't think I ever got an answer to that or perhaps my suggestion was never seen.
This is a good idea, as an interim to a new release. Hunting and navigating the forums can be daunting for new players, and this would be a great idea, a "one-stop" page to send them to for clarification.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm perplexed on something.
Everyone is complaining about how long it is taking to update the guide (and other stuff), however, the suggestion that people have come up with is for Paizo to something else that will in turn make it take longer for the guide (and other stuff) to be updated.
Here's a suggestion, deal with what we have right now, knowing that it is going to get better and give them time to get it all done. Hyrum, Mark and others have already posted that they are working on things, but there are processes and procedures that can take a bit of time.
Are we that impatient of a community that we cannot give our benefactors a little leeway in getting the information to us? Are we that much of a meme/gimmie society that we have to have all the latest toys up front -- even if they aren't complete?
Personally I'd rather have something that was updated completely, knowing that I gave them the time to do it right instead of badgering them and complaining that they aren't moving fast enough for me.
Sheesh ..
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm perplexed on something.
Everyone is complaining about how long it is taking to update the guide (and other stuff), however, the suggestion that people have come up with is for Paizo to something else that will in turn make it take longer for the guide (and other stuff) to be updated.
Here's a suggestion, deal with what we have right now, knowing that it is going to get better and give them time to get it all done. Hyrum, Mark and others have already posted that they are working on things, but there are processes and procedures that can take a bit of time.
Are we that impatient of a community that we cannot give our benefactors a little leeway in getting the information to us? Are we that much of a meme/gimmie society that we have to have all the latest toys up front -- even if they aren't complete?
Personally I'd rather have something that was updated completely, knowing that I gave them the time to do it right instead of badgering them and complaining that they aren't moving fast enough for me.
Sheesh ..
The guide hasn't been updated in months. Official rulings are scattered across the boards. It's an ongoing problem, and it's not unreasonable for people to request that it be fixed.
Call me crazy, but the fact that different people keep asking the same question might mean something.
Edit: Using the word "benefactors" in this context is surreal.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm perplexed on something.
Everyone is complaining about how long it is taking to update the guide (and other stuff), however, the suggestion that people have come up with is for Paizo to something else that will in turn make it take longer for the guide (and other stuff) to be updated.
Here's a suggestion, deal with what we have right now, knowing that it is going to get better and give them time to get it all done. Hyrum, Mark and others have already posted that they are working on things, but there are processes and procedures that can take a bit of time.
Are we that impatient of a community that we cannot give our benefactors a little leeway in getting the information to us? Are we that much of a meme/gimmie society that we have to have all the latest toys up front -- even if they aren't complete?
Personally I'd rather have something that was updated completely, knowing that I gave them the time to do it right instead of badgering them and complaining that they aren't moving fast enough for me.
Sheesh ..
The guide hasn't been updated in months. Official rulings are scattered across the boards. It's an ongoing problem, and it's not unreasonable for people to request that it be fixed.
Call me crazy, but the fact that different people keep asking the same question might mean something.
Edit: Using the word "benefactors" in this context is surreal.
I get that the guide hasn't been updated in months and that things are scattered. Do a search on the boards for all the different requests, demands, complains etc., that have been brought up over the last few months, and then look at the answers. We have been told that they are working on it, we have been told that it is going to take some time.
We are fortunate that Paizo is, for the most part over-all, a company that listens to it's patrons and tries to accomodate them at all costs. After awhile though the requests for updates and for more of this and more of that start to sound more like petulent little children begging for another cookie than adults requesting that information be updated -- especially when it's the same adults and the same demands over and over again.
benefactors was used in a sarcastic form, I apologize if you didn't pick up on the subtle snarky.
*Backs slowly out of thread*
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I actually kind of agree with Thea. I am new Gm coordinator. and it has not been an issue for me or my new players. Why? Because I take the time to troll the rules forums and if I can not find the answer I post a question. The community here is great and i always get an answer or two dozen within a day. I have even gotten official responses to questions from Mark and others.
No, I think the level of hard work the Paizo staff is doing for our community is above and beyond. An update will come and I will patiently use the tools already in place until then. My new players are not confused by rules changes as most of them effect older players or resources they do not own yet anyways. Lets also face the fact the rules that are changing are mainly effecting the min maxers. That is not a bad play style by any means, but it is not the style of the majority of people who play table top RPG's.
the suggestions here are not bad ones. but they are time sinks (big or small) that take away from other projects. If forced to choose between, I prefer the frequent publications of play material (mod's, scenarios and adventure paths) to maintaining an up to date rules correction blog. I can always spend 30 minutes researching a question on the boards or 5 minutes asking an oft asked question of the community, who is willing to answer it for the umpteenth time with little or no judgment of my noobness.
Director of Brand Strategy
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Yep, an update is very much in the works. Given the extreme workload we're all under, Hyrum and I have hired someone to assist us with this on a freelance basis. We met with the capable individual a few weeks ago and went over the new format we want, changes to rules that have appeared on the boards, changes to the rules that have not yet been revealed, as well as some other super-secret stuff. We're giving our secret weapon time to write it all up, organize it, and pare the extra complication from the existing document before turning it in for a full development pass. We expect to have a version to venture-captains for review in the next few months and will have the full series of documents out sometime between PaizoCon and GenCon, when the seasons change.
Until then, we appreciate everyone's patience and understanding. The wheels are turning, there's just only so far we're willing to pull back the curtain on how things work behind the scenes.
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From myself and, IMHO, all of us here, "Thank You". We appreciate all that you are doing Mark. (and Hyrum)
The biggest issue for me and my group, is that we are so busy with regular life, that going through all the posts is just too much time. I have tried to keep up with what has been posted, but if I'm questioned by someone at the table, or between sessions, I can't for the life of me, tell them where to find the answer. At least not without it taking another hour or so. It has become enough of an issue, that I'm sure we are missing some rules and forgetting others. If I was to go to a convention somewhere else, I would probably be corrected several times because I have fallen so far behind.
We deal with it, and we will continue on.
Here's hoping that the guide is ten times better than what is hoped for.
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there's just only so far we're willing to pull back the curtain on how things work behind the scenes.**rolls his stealth and sneaks behind the curtain**
Perception roll: natural 20, +10 organizer bonus, +10 venture-captain bonus.
"Sir, if you'd like to have a seat over there I'm sure Mr. Moreland will be with you shortly. Can I offer you something to drink while you wait?"
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Yep, an update is very much in the works. Given the extreme workload we're all under, Hyrum and I have hired someone to assist us with this on a freelance basis. We met with the capable individual a few weeks ago and went over the new format we want, changes to rules that have appeared on the boards, changes to the rules that have not yet been revealed, as well as some other super-secret stuff. We're giving our secret weapon time to write it all up, organize it, and pare the extra complication from the existing document before turning it in for a full development pass. We expect to have a version to venture-captains for review in the next few months and will have the full series of documents out sometime between PaizoCon and GenCon, when the seasons change.
Until then, we appreciate everyone's patience and understanding. The wheels are turning, there's just only so far we're willing to pull back the curtain on how things work behind the scenes.
That is awesome and really the type of answer I was looking for. I just wanted a vague idea of when it might be changed/updated. I couldn't find anything on the boards. :) Thanks!
As to some of the rather snipping replies I received, I wasn't looking to kick a hornet's nest, I wasn't whining, and I wasn't intentionally asking a question that (apparently) has been asked a million times before in an effort to 'badger' those in charge. For homegame-type sessions, sifting through the boards really isn't that big of an issue other than the time it consumes. However, being at a convention is another matter. There isn't always internet access, and while we've done it, printing out all the pages to the sticky is an ugly mess, hard to read, and a pain. Additionally, there are going to be people (which I experienced a few weekends ago at DCV) who will refuse to honor the posts on the board because they aren't 'official' regardless of who the poster is. Their argument is because it isn't in the official rules document, it doesn't count.
I completely understand that this is a hefty undertaking especially if there are going to be more rule changes included besides the bits that are currently on the boards. And, I really appreciate the hard work and time that is going into it. It needed a lot of love and attention, imo.
Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to answer my question! I appreciate it. :)
-Toni
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As to some of the rather snipping replies I received,
I'm going to assume that was aimed at me... the questions posed in my original post was not to you specifically, but moreso directed towards the "bandwagon jumpers" that like to interject the same comment over and over again -- usually a variation of the same suggestion on how to "fix" the problem or otherwise take care of tings.
I understand not being able to find things easily it can be a headache.
*backs away from the topic quicker than before*
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there's just only so far we're willing to pull back the curtain on how things work behind the scenes.**rolls his stealth and sneaks behind the curtain**Perception roll: natural 20, +10 organizer bonus, +10 venture-captain bonus.
"Sir, if you'd like to have a seat over there I'm sure Mr. Moreland will be with you shortly. Can I offer you something to drink while you wait?"
Uses his 3rd level Bard/Oracle of Lore to roll a Knowledge (Organized Play Guide) check...
Do I gleen any additional information? :-)
edit: Why is that roll so typical of real life? *sigh*
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Do I gleen any additional information? :-)
You are able, in fact, to gleen that Mr. Moreland is quite busy behind the curtain and that a waiting area (complete with refreshments) has been setup right over there. Further, it is likely that Mr. Moreland will indeed make an appearance when his work is complete, if ever so briefly.
And who says Knowledge checks are useless? =)
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Do I gleen any additional information? :-)You are able, in fact, to gleen that Mr. Moreland is quite busy behind the curtain and that a waiting area (complete with refreshments) has been setup right over there. Further, it is likely that Mr. Moreland will indeed make an appearance when his work is complete, if ever so briefly.
And who says Knowledge checks are useless? =)
And if you made a good perception check you can also see that he is currently wearing his 2009 Paizo GenCon Volunteer t-shirt.
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there's just only so far we're willing to pull back the curtain on how things work behind the scenes.**rolls his stealth and sneaks behind the curtain**Perception roll: natural 20, +10 organizer bonus, +10 venture-captain bonus.
"Sir, if you'd like to have a seat over there I'm sure Mr. Moreland will be with you shortly. Can I offer you something to drink while you wait?"
**Grumbles to self** "need to talk to that gnome armor smith about his "shadow leather" being undetectable....
but I will sir sit here patiently and take a couple tankards of your best mead." **big innocent grin**
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Yep, an update is very much in the works. Given the extreme workload we're all under, Hyrum and I have hired someone to assist us with this on a freelance basis. We met with the capable individual a few weeks ago and went over the new format we want, changes to rules that have appeared on the boards, changes to the rules that have not yet been revealed, as well as some other super-secret stuff. We're giving our secret weapon time to write it all up, organize it, and pare the extra complication from the existing document before turning it in for a full development pass. We expect to have a version to venture-captains for review in the next few months and will have the full series of documents out sometime between PaizoCon and GenCon, when the seasons change.
Yo--
I've started this thread so we can compile a working document until the new, massive changes are ready.
I understand and respect your priorities, Mark, but I feel my players deserve an updated document. We can make that happen.
Again, this is *not* meant as a criticism of Mark/Hyrum's job or priorities, but only recognizing that we can help ourselves where we see the need.
-Pain