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Freehold DM wrote:

I must say, I am truly enjoying oiling and brushing my face every morning.

I look and smell good.

I wish I had discovered this level of hair care earlier in life. But mom had a hard enough time with me shaving with a pack of cheapo disposables(which have done enough damage to my face, thank you very much), much less a straight razor.

Sometimes its about the journey, but I would have liked to keep my face a bit less...rugged, maybe.

MIGHTY POGONOS IS PLEASED THAT YOU ARE PLEASED, AND PLEASED STILL MORE BY YOUR FURRY PHIZ AND USE OF CHIN UNGUENTS.

MIGHTY POGONOS MAY BE NUDE, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL, AS THAT DIVINE BEARD COVERS A LOOOOT OF ACREAGE.


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We have clients in the office - important clients.

Good job I remembered my giraffe mask and crossbow, eh?


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Forgiveness is a christian hangup. I don't agree with it. Forgiving stuff you shouldn't forgive makes you a doormat. The important part is not letting yourself be affected by it. Don't think about it, unless the person in question comes up. Then you remember, and you act on it.


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Limeylongears wrote:

We have clients in the office - important clients.

Good job I remembered my giraffe mask and crossbow, eh?

i wouldn't recognize you without it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Sparkle Dildo needs to be a My Little Pony.

There are days where I could kiss you.

This is one of them.

There are days you couldn't?


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Scintillae wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:


You ARE a youngster, aren't you?

We've been complaining about the commercialization of Christmas here in the U.S. for at least 40 years now. It's become a tradition:
- Trim the tree
- Put out grandpa
- Argue about the commercialization of Christmas

Anyone else remember a few years ago there being a bit of hoopla over I want to say ABC cutting into A Charlie Brown Christmas to show more commercials?

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TRUE STORY: Last year when I was chaperoning the high school I had to bust a group of guys for talking too loud too late at night. Their conversation? Whether the Bolshevik Revolution or the Holocaust caused greater human suffering.
...what did they decide? That's a fascinating topic.

While the discussion was quite deep and interesting (and I ended up participating instead of shutting it down), it was pretty much, "The Bolshevik Revolution led to Stalin led to 30+ million deaths; far, far more than the Holocaust. Therefore Bolshevik."


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NobodysHome wrote:


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TRUE STORY: Last year when I was chaperoning the high school I had to bust a group of guys for talking too loud too late at night. Their conversation? Whether the Bolshevik Revolution or the Holocaust caused greater human suffering.

Not exactly what you expect when you're sent to quiet down a group of high school guys in a hotel room at 11:30 pm at night. The guys playing "foul sugar liquid pong"? THEM I understood...

An old potato at the Friday history bar, back when I was studying.

It isn't one there's an easy answer to either, as the discussion usually devolves into how credible sources are, the after the event historical impact of the events or whether a particular event is more correctly identified as an act of "state criminal neglect", "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing"

Also it hinges on the "caused greater human suffering" part. Are we talk the amount of dead? The collective negative experiences of the survivors (and the dead)? The impact of the larger history of the event?

Finally, surely they can do better...
Where's the Great Leap Forward? The Conquest of the Americas?


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Also "active intention to cause harm" vs. "oh, so that's how agriculture works, whoops that's gonna cause a famine."

Grand Lodge

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Sissyl wrote:
Best dating advice I ever heard: Live a life that someone would like to be a part of. Someone will turn up.

What about after they show up? :P


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Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?

My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?


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Orthos wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?
My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?

Mao Zedong's restructuring of China toward a centrally-planned economy. 20 million people starved to death due to insufficient food production.


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I'm getting Baader-Meinhof'd. The last chapter of the econ textbook focuses on the USSR and China as case studies of economic development and transition to free market.


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Well, time for NobodysHome to vanish for a while.

Critical lab testing starts at work, so we're heads-down 'til all that finishes. Then I have "only" 22 hours of volunteer work at the school between now and Saturday.

Free time? What's that?

The volunteer work should be a blast, though...


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Ah that explains it. Our world history ignored non-Russia Asia until WW2.


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It was 1958.


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And no history class I've ever seen gets past WW2.

Dunno why,but even in US history we never studied anything more recent than that.


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US History barely does, either. It's why I'm pushing for them to add a modern history class for next year since I'll have a schedule gap. Mostly focused on the US since Am Barbarian Murican, but at least some focus on events past the Cold War.


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I'm pretty sure nothing happened outside the US between 1945-1989.


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In my experience, it's the drive to push for higher-level thinking and more in-depth exploration of topics. The more time you spend on events, the less time you have at the end of the year. So if you spend a lot of time examining the Revolution, the Civil War, and both World Wars, let's assume a two-week minimum for each. That's eight weeks, two months dedicated to four topics. Then assume you also spend a lot of time examining the Constitution and other founding documents, the Great Depression...

There just isn't time in a nine-month school year to cover everything with the depth it deserves, but it tends to result in trying to go in-depth anyway and just...running out of year by the 1950s.


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My student teaching experience was fairly atypical, I guess. We actually got to the 1960s. I handed the reins back to my mentor teacher for the JFK assassination (at which point I made him feel incredibly old), and they actually got to the start of Vietnam.


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Honestly we were lucky to make it that far.

The original rubric for my sophomore year US History class was basically "fall semester: colonies and revolution; spring semester: civil war". We just happened to get ahead of schedule and the teacher basically skipped over reconstruction and the early 1900s to get straight to the world wars (mostly 2, 1 was only vaguely studied) before the school year ended.


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And we're up to ten degrees already!


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Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?
My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?
Mao Zedong's restructuring of China toward a centrally-planned economy. 20 million people starved to death due to insufficient food production.

The numbers of dead from starvations is all over the place. I've seen from around 22-23 million to 45 million. Mostly this seem down to faulty or lack official documentation, the use of local non-verified documentation, loss of documentation or just plain old errors.

Besides those there also was between 2-3 million deaths due to "violence" during said same period. Quite a lot of said violence seems to seem from dissatisfaction with the implementation of the new farming policies (aka roving militias beating the peasants into compliance).

Edit.: I running on memory (and a textbook or two) here. The period I focused my studies on was Medieval Northern Europe, so I'm a bit out of my area of expertise here ^^.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:


... but I'd buy a Firefly board game.
There is a Firefly board game. It's quite good. I have it and all the expansions, plus they're releasing a new game called Brigands and Browncoats that looks like it's more of a minis game. I really should know more about it since I pre-ordered it, but I don't.

I am entirely not surprised. Brb, gotta go spend money Indont have on something.

I am not actually spending money... today


NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Sparkle Dildo needs to be a My Little Pony.

There are days where I could kiss you.

This is one of them.

There are days you couldn't?

Lisamarlenes head cheese and limburger extravaganza night is one time I kept a respectful distance.


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Orthos wrote:

And no history class I've ever seen gets past WW2.

Dunno why,but even in US history we never studied anything more recent than that.

you shoyld have gone to my high school.

Arguements broke out on a daily basis during wwii and post wwii discussion. For some reason tempers rose when discussing the summer of love and Vietnam.

Life in a culturally diverse school in Brooklyn, baby.


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Kjeldorn wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?
My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?
Mao Zedong's restructuring of China toward a centrally-planned economy. 20 million people starved to death due to insufficient food production.

The numbers of dead from starvations is all over the place. I've seen from around 22-23 million to 45 million. Mostly this seem down to faulty or lack official documentation, the use of local non-verified documentation, loss of documentation or just plain old errors.

Besides those there also was between 2-3 million deaths due to "violence" during said same period. Quite a lot of said violence seems to seem from dissatisfaction with the implementation of the new farming policies (aka roving militias beating the peasants into compliance).

Edit.: I running on memory (and a textbook or two) here. The period I focused my studies on was Medieval Northern Europe, so I'm a bit out of my area of expertise here ^^.

I'm working out of a possibly outdated textbook as well! :D


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Tacticslion wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:


... but I'd buy a Firefly board game.
There is a Firefly board game. It's quite good. I have it and all the expansions, plus they're releasing a new game called Brigands and Browncoats that looks like it's more of a minis game. I really should know more about it since I pre-ordered it, but I don't.

I am entirely not surprised. Brb, gotta go spend money Indont have on something.

I am not actually spending money... today

acquires all copies of this board game for recycling into Hero Quest, a much better board game


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Scintillae wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?
My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?
Mao Zedong's restructuring of China toward a centrally-planned economy. 20 million people starved to death due to insufficient food production.

The numbers of dead from starvations is all over the place. I've seen from around 22-23 million to 45 million. Mostly this seem down to faulty or lack official documentation, the use of local non-verified documentation, loss of documentation or just plain old errors.

Besides those there also was between 2-3 million deaths due to "violence" during said same period. Quite a lot of said violence seems to seem from dissatisfaction with the implementation of the new farming policies (aka roving militias beating the peasants into compliance).

Edit.: I running on memory (and a textbook or two) here. The period I focused my studies on was Medieval Northern Europe, so I'm a bit out of my area of expertise here ^^.

I'm working out of a possibly outdated textbook as well! :D

you are one of the few educators I trust to fill in any gaps.

The Exchange

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-> is not a history person.

Left my history back at school a long time back. Anyway even at the best of times, I remember history as a series of events.

The number of people who ended up dead, I won't remember since it's a number and numbers eat the thoughts out of my head.

But if it's China, expect the numbers dead to be grossly lesser then the actual numbers reported since they're very good at covering things up. Actually make that every communist country...


Just a Mort wrote:

Gonna quote a storybook on this but.. Not forgiving someone is like leaving a nail in your foot even if you weren't the one who put it there.

When possible, try to forgive. Bearing long grudges hurts yourself too.

And the world needs more good feelings anyway.

Usually I get riled pretty fast but I cool down pretty quick after that. Life's too short to bear grudges.

Indeed. My wife and I have a favorite version of this we heard: bitterness (that is refusing to forgive) is like drinking poison yourself in hopes that the other person will die.

Forgiveness is a fascinating, important, and tricky topic - it's extremely important to forgive, but that doesn't always mean letting the one forgiven be exactly as they were before the offense - sometimes it's important for their own sake that they are treated differently and/or a relationship changed. It all depends on both the relationship and the offense and the people involved - no single cover-all "always do this" is sufficient.


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Soooo... THAT is why all you Muricans think leftist policy is such a great thing??? Because you don't know what happened after 1950? I mean, as a Swede, history seems like a good idea...


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Orthos wrote:

Honestly we were lucky to make it that far.

The original rubric for my sophomore year US History class was basically "fall semester: colonies and revolution; spring semester: civil war". We just happened to get ahead of schedule and the teacher basically skipped over reconstruction and the early 1900s to get straight to the world wars (mostly 2, 1 was only vaguely studied) before the school year ended.

I usually see it as "get to Civil War by Christmas, then get as far as you can by May."


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Sissyl wrote:
Soooo... THAT is why all you Muricans think leftist policy is such a great thing??? Because you don't know what happened after 1950? I mean, as a Swede, history seems like a good idea...

It's so immensely frustrating. It gets worse as a factor of testing - math and literacy get the primary focus (and even English gets shafted on that, let me tell you...)...so social studies gets to fall by the wayside. Nevermind the fact that educators know that the amount of standardized testing we have to push the kids through is actively detrimental as the students come to place no value in them, and we lose our limited instructional time to shove them into the schedule...


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Sissyl wrote:
Soooo... THAT is why all you Muricans think leftist policy is such a great thing??? Because you don't know what happened after 1950? I mean, as a Swede, history seems like a good idea...

I actually thought it was the opposite. I grew up in Texas, you don't get much more right-wing. I didn't recognize it as a kid but it's a,lot more obvious as an adult how things got skipped over, ignored, or revised to avoid anti-conservative messages. For example, we were never taught The Crucible was an allegory for the McCarthy investigations. It was taught to us perfectly straight as-written, a story of Salem-era New England,


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Suffice to say I'm a bitter old lady about a lot of things. This is impressive as I'm under 30...


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Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Kjeldorn wrote:


Where's the Great Leap Forward?
My lackluster high school history education is showing again, and I can't Google at the moment. What is this?
Mao Zedong's restructuring of China toward a centrally-planned economy. 20 million people starved to death due to insufficient food production.

The numbers of dead from starvations is all over the place. I've seen from around 22-23 million to 45 million. Mostly this seem down to faulty or lack official documentation, the use of local non-verified documentation, loss of documentation or just plain old errors.

Besides those there also was between 2-3 million deaths due to "violence" during said same period. Quite a lot of said violence seems to seem from dissatisfaction with the implementation of the new farming policies (aka roving militias beating the peasants into compliance).

Edit.: I running on memory (and a textbook or two) here. The period I focused my studies on was Medieval Northern Europe, so I'm a bit out of my area of expertise here ^^.

I'm working out of a possibly outdated textbook as well! :D
you are one of the few educators I trust to fill in any gaps.

Kind of you, but I'm serious. Econ textbook is copyright 2003. Thankfully, the class is just hitting basic concepts, and supply and demand haven't changed since Adam Smith, but that means absolutely zero look into more recent economic problems... sigh


Orthos wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Soooo... THAT is why all you Muricans think leftist policy is such a great thing??? Because you don't know what happened after 1950? I mean, as a Swede, history seems like a good idea...
I actually thought it was the opposite. I grew up in Texas, you don't get much more right-wing. I didn't recognize it as a kid but it's a,lot more obvious as an adult how things got skipped over, ignored, or revised to avoid anti-conservative messages. For example, we were never taught The Crucible was an allegory for the McCarthy investigations. It was taught to us perfectly straight as-written, a story of Salem-era New England,

Which is frankly irresponsible. Maybe it's the fact that I'm just a history nerd, but I cannot imagine teaching a novel/play without examining its historical context. So much of literature is a product of its times. It's why New Criticism drives me up a tree.


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It all makes so much sense now. Do yourselves a favour: Read the history of a few communist countries. Just the Wikipedia pages. Go for Soviet, China and one east European country. Romania is interesting, for example.


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Yeah, the "COMMUNISM BAD" is hammered in at very early ages.

Also the "socialism is just diet communism." I did not know until I was in my late 20s that the two have very little really in common.


Also: I was super impressed that we'd managed to get two pages filled from yesterday, before I realized most of one page was gran's jokes, and Vid's responses to them.

(Which were still funny, just less substantial than I was expecting.)


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Part of the problem re: getting past the 50s is retention.

In theory, at least at my current school, we cover up to the Civil War and whatever we can get past in 8th grade with the intention of 11th grade picking up at the Lincoln assassination and going forward.

In practice, they retain virtually nothing, which means we have to devote time to review. And the time saps away...


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I've been backdooring into the history classes, though! Half of my day is 11th grade English, and I make them do little research projects or at least listen to me ramble about history when we start new books. I've also partnered with the 11th history teacher for a research project on a post-WWII topic, student choice. It doesn't fix the problem completely, but it helps.


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Tacticslion wrote:

Also: I was super impressed that we'd managed to get two pages filled from yesterday, before I realized most of one page was gran's jokes, and Vid's responses to them.

(Which were still funny, just less substantial than I was expecting.)

Classic FAWTL there. Used to be worse before the anti-spam update. Used to be I'd come on and find four new pages of nothing but Heathy spamming the same one-word post over and over.


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But yeah long and short: education in the US is very hit or miss and extremely susceptible to,social and political influence, primarily from administration. Teachers try but often their hands are tied. And getting the numbers to secure more funding, support, or acclaim is generally considered far more important than actually educating the students.


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You're right, I do need to use more aliases.


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Orthos wrote:

Yeah, the "COMMUNISM BAD" is hammered in at very early ages.

Also the "socialism is just diet communism." I did not know until I was in my late 20s that the two have very little really in common.

As I understand it, socialism is what the communists call their policies. Communism is reserved for the Eternal Happiness of the Perfect Society that Shall Be. When people in communist countries asked why there was no food, the party replied that the country hadn't reached communism yet, so they had to fight even harder to get there, but there would be food for everyone when communism finally made it all worth it.

Social democracy is a different thing.


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Sissyl wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Yeah, the "COMMUNISM BAD" is hammered in at very early ages.

Also the "socialism is just diet communism." I did not know until I was in my late 20s that the two have very little really in common.

As I understand it, socialism is what the communists call their policies. Communism is reserved for the Eternal Happiness of the Perfect Society that Shall Be. When people in communist countries asked why there was no food, the party replied that the country hadn't reached communism yet, so they had to fight even harder to get there, but there would be food for everyone when communism finally made it all worth it.

Social democracy is a different thing.

Yeah the terms are all scrambled up over here. Doesn't help that they don't necessarily mean the same thing from person, to person, either. There are a lot of factors that lead to different groups interpreting terms and such differently, then claiming someone means or supports one thing when they might or might not because that's not what that term means to them.

And that's not even getting into regional and cultural differences. In many ways the different areas in the US are more like different countries than parts of the same whole.


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My interpretation of socialism was from a Polish Jew, a Romanian, and a Hungarian. They all told the same story.


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Hey, everyone. Let's ease up on the politics, shall we. I'd hate to see this thread locked.

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