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This is also why I support switching to a completely automated traffic enforcement system if only to remove this prejudice from enforcement.


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I absolutely agree.

Remove everything, I always say.

Or is that what they tell me...


Oh dear...
~covers up~
Driving naked might get me fewer tickets, but I suspect I would be pulled over more.


Aranna wrote:

Oh dear...

~covers up~

oh, no need to cover up. I was really, really interested in traffic laws for a moment there.

Yeah...traffic laws...they sound really..unfair...or something...yeah.


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Aranna wrote:


Driving naked might get me fewer tickets, but I suspect I would be pulled over more.

joins police force


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I don't have problems with four way stops, but then, I'm usually the only person not drunk, on their phone, or a cow.

So that might explain it.


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Poor cow. That is one irresponsible herder to leave his cows in a four way intersection.


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You don't "herd" cows, you just hope they're going to the same place you want them to go.

Luckily, cows are fairly easy going, so more often than not, they're willing to follow.


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Seriously though, people here assume a four way stop is the perfect opportunity to check their Instagram or text someone, so I'm usually the only person that even realizes when to go.


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Aranna wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
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NobodysHome wrote:

NobodysHome pet driving peeve #184 (yeah, it's pretty far down there, but it's still a "peeve":

  • At a 4-way stop, the guy in front of you stops, then craaaaaawls into the intersection, apparently totally unaware that there's a gas pedal in his/her car.
  • You have plenty of time to pull up to the stop sign and stop while this spineless terror rider creeps across the intersection, petrified that some unknown threat will pounce on them from above while they spend 20 seconds to clear the intersection.
  • While you're waiting your turn, because you don't want to be bumper-to-bumper with this invertebrate, a car comes along perpendicularly. You were there first. You were obviously there first. But the guy going the same direction as you is STILL in the intersection.
  • So as soon as "slow guy" clears, the guy in the perpendicular lane goes and cuts you off. Because, y'know, your side already HAD a turn!
  • It doesn't matter that my guy is slow. Stop signs are still, "First come, first served."

    Grr....

    maybe it's because of where I live, but if you don't take your time at 4ways, you'll be meeting someone very soon in a way you don't expect.

    I don't mind "caution", but I'm talking a good 10 seconds to clear the intersection. That goes beyond "caution" into "paranoid". Even then, I don't get TOO mad at the driver who does it. It's the people at the cross-intersection who ignore your right of way because the guy in front of you is too slow...

    EDIT: As I've posted before, I'm a firm believer in "right of way", whether you be pedestrian, bicycle, or car, and most collisions can be directly attributed to someone improperly impinging on right-of-way. So I get uppity about it. The letter of the law? I've known lawyers, so I'm a little less-than-thrilled with letter-of-the-law interpretations.
    Roll through a stop sign when you have 500' of visibility and can conclusively prove that no one else is around?

    ...

    Me and my traffic tickets disagree with your assessment of how to look, Aranna. Though maybe I just don't have the "wealthy" part down...


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    Aranna wrote:

    I have just two things to say.

    First people get a bit crazy at 4 way stops so I usually just let the other guy go if I suspect he wants it more than me. Waiting a couple seconds longer is worth avoiding the "he said vs she said" argument in front of the cop.

    Secondly enforcement is pure police whim. Which means if you want to avoid tickets LOOK white, male, white collar, middle aged, and wealthy. They will let you do anything you want, if just to avoid your lawyer. Avoid LOOKING black, female, young, blue collar, or poor. Since they assume you don't have the means or will to fight back against the ticket. Easy money.

    I rolled through a 4 way stop once at a corner near where I used to live at 3am when I was the ONLY car as far as I could see. The cop who was hiding behind a closed convenience store was all over me in seconds. But I was a female driving a Neon. While at the same intersection with the same cop around 4pm with plenty of other traffic (the cop was part of the other traffic and waiting his turn at the stop in question just ahead of me) and he watched a slightly older male in a BMW blow through the stop and ignored it.

    Yeah, unfortunately I'm going to agree with you 100% on police and selective enforcement. Many times they'll be told by their local city council, "THIS intersection is a problem! Fix it!" and they'll enforce the letter of the law, no matter how ludicrous. I still remember my last trip to traffic school: I was ticketed for running a left turn light (it was yellow when I entered the intersection, but red when I came out). I went to traffic school in a location 5 miles from the infraction (so there were many other schools closer. This one was by my house.) Of the 20 people in the room, SIXTEEN had been ticketed for the EXACT SAME INFRACTION at the EXACT SAME INTERSECTION.

    I have come to LOVE the traffic cameras that take pictures of people running red lights. I have NEVER received a ticket from them. Says something about selective enforcement.

    As for white maleness, yeah, TL, I think your problem is that you live in Florida. I got pulled over for doing 90 down highway 5 and got let off with a warning. I'll admit I notice myself being "ignored" for doing 75-80 on our major corridor on a routine basis, but I notice everyone getting let off; I'm not seeing the "selective enforcement" described by race or gender. But I DO live in a hotbed of liberalism, so cops have to go to "sensitivity training" and whatnot. And even then I do HEAR about selective enforcement around here. Just hard to notice if you're not the one being pulled over.

    Four-way stops are treated differently here. For the most part, it's accepted that most of them should be "Yield" signs, but Americans are as bad with Yield signs as they are with traffic circles or lane precedence, so they're "Stop" signs. And at the ones where you actually NEED to stop because visibility is an issue or pedestrians are common, the cops show up every so often to ticket you and remind you that "full and complete stop" MEANS "full and complete stop". How do you know which intersections mean it? By whether or not you get a ticket!

    Amusingly enough, I have NEVER received a ticket for a rolling stop...
    "If you can't see EVERYTHING then you'd better darn well stop and look around" is a pretty easy rule to live by.


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    Note to self: Skyrim is a cold dark place that sucks.

    Oh look a Dragon, no problem I've killed plenty of dragons (No Polish or American dragons though, pinky swear) oh what's that, the a#~*&%~ Dragon nests right next to a Wizard's former mountain top hovel and he's now some undead prick that fires fireballs everywhere and is strangely immune to my gigantic sword of ice.

    *sigh* *deep breath* *peaceful thoughts* *smash! Bang! Thump!*

    Okay, I feel better.

    I don't know how people can "relax" playing video games like that, or first person shooting games for that matter.

    Edit: it is a very well done but sometimes incredibly frustrating game, I recommend it for everyone, if only to scope the killer views.


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    I have to admit that Skyrim is prettier than the Fallout games.


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    Admittedly FPS games are a lot more fun if you have a fighting style that works for you. In Mass Effect for example I kill you from long range while hiding behind something, if that fails and you start coming my way then I switch to an auto fire weapon like an assault rifle or machine pistol and hope I drop you before you get to close range where I am useless and you kill me.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Amusingly enough, I have NEVER received a ticket for a rolling stop...

    "If you can't see EVERYTHING then you'd better darn well stop and look around" is a pretty easy rule to live by.

    I've only ever received one bad thing for a rolling stop, and that was a warning.

    On the other hand, I've received traffic tickets for:

    - going too fast (I'm uuuuuuuuuusually pretty good, but especially when I was younger and, for some reason, in larger cars, I was sloppy; also, when I get "trapped" by having the speed limit drop 20 mph after I've rounded a corner... dang it, I was slowing down, as soon as I could see the sign... *grumble*)

    - getting cut off by a guy in the middle of an intersection, and having the light change on me while I was trying not to let him hit me (this was fortunately dismissed later, before I ever showed up, in court, thanks to Prepaid Legal! Awesome service, if you need it, and not expensive!)

    - having my lights off (they'd burned out about a minute prior, and I was on a road with nowhere to stop, without my AAA card, with no iPhone/internet access, at a time of night that I couldn't get in contact with the few places that I had contact with, because they were closed; the officer helped me find a place to safely pull over, though)

    - parking violations (all I'm saying is that when you put money in the meter, and you see the meter needle move, you expect that the meter is working; as an aside, I hate metered parking - hate it. Fortuitously, several of these have been dismissed after investigation into the meter.)

    I don't think I've ever had anything waived aside for me, though I've been let off with a warning twice... when I was much, much younger, over-all. Being middle-aged didn't get me nothin'. >:I

    ;D

    I really, really, really try to keep traffic laws. I don't sometimes, especially if I'm tired or in a hurry... though in those cases, I'm fortunate to have a wife and son that help me (though the wife does so... discretely... and the son... notsomuch*.)

    * "DADDY, YOU NEED TO STOP WELL AT THE STOP SIGN. YOU WERE WRONG, DADDY. DADDY, YOU WERE WRONG. THERE IS A STOP SIGN, YOU NEED TO STOP, DADDY. DADDY, DID YOU STOP? YOU WERE WRONG, DADDY. WHY DID YOU STOP AT THE STOP SIGN? WERE YOU WRONG? WHY? DID YOU STOP AT THE STOP SIGN? DON'T FORGET DADDY. WHY ARE THEY- WHY DO THEY HAVE THE- THEIR FLASHIN' LIGHTS ON? ARE THEY GOIN' THE SAME WAY AS US? ARE THEY WRONG, TOO? WERE YOU WRONG, DADDY? I THINK YOU WERE WRONG." (For the record, "flashin' lights" refers to blinkers, instead of police lights. I've never been pulled over with my son in the car. Doesn't stop him from loudly and repeatedly presuming how correct - or not - I was about a driving topic, especially if I've noted that I've ever made a mistake in the past.) :D

    I'm also extremely irritable in heavy traffic (though, fortuitously, I've never uttered anything stronger than, "Come on, guys~!" or, perhaps, "THANK. YOU. ಠ_ಠ" at traffic frustrations), but fortunately I've never gotten into trouble there.

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    Most of my tickets are for speeding. I did get caught by a traffic camera once in Texas. That was my stupidity. Of course, my one "following too close" was really just a best fit scenario. I was only following too close for the last second before I hit them. :P


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    I follow traffic laws, so I don't get tickets.

    I'm too poor to speed. :-)


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    My brother likes to tailgate semis and trucks. I don't ride with him, ever.

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    Like I said, I had a collision once.

    ONCE.


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    I was collided with, once.

    A moving truck decided to side swipe me with it's tire, completely caved in the passenger side of my car and sheared off part of the roof.

    Thankfully, I was the only one in the car and completely avoided any injury, still scary.

    Sorry about your accident, they always suck.


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    Yeah, my views on traffic are really, really simple:
    (1) If you force the person with the right of way to adjust in any way, then you're a bad driver.
    (2) If you make more than 2 lane changes in under a minute, then you're a bad driver.
    (3) If you tailgate, then you're a bad driver.

    I have to admit, I was pretty ecstatic when I started driving Shiro's player's Jeep that has "adaptive cruise control", and its default "2 second following distance" was too close for my comfort.

    There are a handful of "Big No Nos" in my book (blocking traffic in any way, shape or form is one of them, and changing lanes all over the place to try to get ahead is the other). But there are many, many more "minor irritations" like failing to get out of an intersection fast enough, speeding in residential areas, seizing the right-of-way at a stop sign when it's not your turn, etc.

    Being irritated by other drivers. It's the American way.

    (And similar to TOZ, my entire driving history consists of, "Ran another driver off the road because she was passing me on the right at 50 mph in a 25 mph zone. Bumped the rear bumper of another driver because she didn't take her turn when there was no traffic," both before I was 18. My car has not touched another car (while in motion) since I was 18.)

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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Sorry about your accident, they always suck.

    This was back in like, 2003. I learned my lesson, yes I did.

    NobodysHome wrote:
    (And similar to TOZ, my entire driving history consists of, "Ran another driver off the road because she was passing me on the right at 50 mph in a 25 mph zone. Bumped the rear bumper of another driver because she didn't take her turn when there was no traffic," both before I was 18. My car has not touched another car (while in motion) since I was 18.)

    Yeah, I had only been driving since maybe 2002. I have internalized defensive driving pretty well.


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    I have gotten into 4 accidents.

    First one was my fault. Sideswiped an illegally double parked car. I freaked out, needless to say. Not much damage truth be told, but nerve rattling.

    I thought the second one was my fault but truth be told I think it may have been a swoop and scoot. The person in front of me was not moving and when i tried to switch lanes the person who was behind me sped up. This was more damage, and insurance went up.

    Third accident was not my fault. I was going straight, someone was turning through the intersection and and sped up when I had the right of way. I wanted to go to court because there was severe damage to the car and I was sure this was not my fault. My mom did not want to go to court and so we settled over the phone, to a 70% his fault, 30% my fault split. Apparently the damage done to the back of his vehicle(rear passenger door) meant I was going too fast- if it was in the front they would have decided in my favor.

    Fourth accident was at work and was an actual accident. Skidded on ice during an awful snowstorm, and hit a car that was suspiciously hanging out at the intersection, not moving. While the guy and I dithered we witnessed two other accidents on opposite corners. I did go to court for this one, and the guy perjured himself, as he did not remember the color of my car or who I was, although I remembered him. Settlement out of court for the guy in my job's best interests as a result.


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    I've lost track of the accidents in which I've been involved, I'm sure, but a few stand out --

    1) Sideswiped by a panicked lady turning left across three lanes of traffic -- how she failed to notice my indigo ride, I'll never know.

    2) Rear-ended an elderly woman driving her son around when my tires lost traction on a freshly-rained-upon roadway -- totally my fault: I was following too closely and had taken my eyes off the road

    3) Single-vehicle accident with my brother driving on the last leg of a late-late-night road trip -- in brief: moderately deflated front tires on a front-wheel drive vehicle combined with a too-sudden lane change (harder than hard to port!) results in catastrophic but way-too-fun automotive aerobatics (yes, you read that right -- AERObatics)

    4) Avoided a head-on collision with a drunk driver by swerving into his lane in a curve and taking the collision on the passenger side of my truck, which was totaled out as a result (knocked the rear drive shaft out entirely, folded up the rear tire a good 40 degrees out of true, etc., etc. . . . .). I crawl out of the truck and up the embankment to walk down the road to check on the guy, and he says "You 'uz on my side." Ah, drunken Tennesseeans . . . . wipes away a single tear


    I have been in too many accidents to bother counting them. In my defense only one in the last ten or more years was my fault. And that rubbed me wrong because I did nothing wrong, but the other girl (the real crazy driver) had right of way when she did her crazy last second lane change and charged into me. But I am not really sure how to sell a car... Of all the vehicles I owned all were totaled but two I think which were traded in. I normally just wait till some crazy person smashes my car up and then let the insurance buy me a new one.


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    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.

    Sir, with all due respect, I politely curse your incredible luck whilst steaming in viridian envy. :)


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.

    I've heard stories about the old volvos. I'm pretty sure only modern firearms could damage them seriously, everything else will be laughed off.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.

    Sir, with all due respect, I politely curse your incredible luck whilst steaming in viridian envy. :)

    this.


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    A lot of older cars were tough as nails. I was driving an early 80s Skyhawk rust bucket when the owner of a brand new Ford 150 pickup ran a red light and hit me. His truck was a total loss of bent axles and a folded bumper my little car had a crumpled front fender and was still driving just fine if just a bit uglier than before.


    I'm mad remembering the third accident now. Grr.


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.

    I've heard stories about the old volvos. I'm pretty sure only modern firearms could damage them seriously, everything else will be laughed off.

    Back in the 1990's, there was a wonderful little table listing the "intimidation factor" of various vehicles, based on the sturdiness of the vehicle, the driver, etc.

    I was sitting at a solid '9', just below 'CHP officer in vehicle' at a 10.

    Nobody wanted to mess with an old Volvo. Want to change lanes? Just signal and go. Anyone who happens to be there will just panic and scatter...


    And, in keeping with the alcohol-induced madness of my #4 accident, please allow me to paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks:

    "It's a good thing they're taxing this $#!7! Otherwise, we'd be doing doughnuts in a wheat field!! Wheeeeeeeewwww!!!"


    NobodysHome wrote:
    Freehold DM wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:

    Oh, Gods. I still remember the poor woman I ran off the road.

    I was in a 1970 Volvo (two tons of Swedish steel forged into a box. Add wheels and a 4-cylinder engine so it occasionally moves). Due to miracles, I was doing 45 mph in a 25 mph zone in the left lane of a 2-lane street when the car in front of me decided to come to a full and complete stop before making a left turn.

    So at 45 mph, I figured I was totally safe, and swerved into the right lane. As I was being passed on the right. Yeah, 45 mph apparently wasn't fast enough for THIS lady.

    Needless to say, I ran her off the road, barely noticing the impact. But I dutifully pulled over, jumped out of my Volvo, and raced towards her car.

    Apparently, a mohawked individual in an army surplus coat, black jeans, and steel-toed boots does NOT breed confidence. It took a moment to get her to even roll her window down. The entire side of her car was caved in. I apologized profusely, and she reassured me it was "already like that". (Yeah, sure...)

    So I gave her all my insurance information, sure my parents were going to KILL me. Then I went to check on damage to the Volvo.

    It had... red paint on it. That's it. It hadn't noticed caving in another car. Old Volvos. What are you going to do?

    So I never told my parents, and the woman never reported it.

    Thus, the only collision I've ever had where I caused damage to the other car never got reported, and my driving record is 100% clean.

    I've heard stories about the old volvos. I'm pretty sure only modern firearms could damage them seriously, everything else will be laughed off.

    Back in the 1990's, there was a wonderful little table listing the "intimidation factor" of various vehicles, based on the sturdiness of the vehicle, the driver, etc.

    I was sitting at a solid '9', just below 'CHP officer in vehicle' at a 10.

    Nobody wanted to mess with an old Volvo. Want to change lanes? Just signal and go. Anyone who happens...

    quit a few old Caribbean men have them in my neighborhood. They are rusty in spots but otherwise quite serviceable.

    Noone messes with them on the road.

    Noone.


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    I was picked up from work by my two best friends, and as we were leaving town on these super hilly back roads, the both turn around with eyes bulging "we're tripping pretty hard right now"

    That was one of the longest ten mile rides I think I've had.

    As soon as we got safely home I also tripped and then saw tractors EVERYWHERE, there was even a wedding party that drove a caravan of tractors around downtown Monticello.

    It was a weird day.

    Edit: holy smurf! That was twenty years ago!

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