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California IS beautiful, and I've been worse places.

For instance, I dare anyone here to drive across Montana, the east-west way, in early April.


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Is that 3 in a row!?!


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lynora wrote:
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I do however think you should carefully observe school zones. Too many times I see children hit or nearly so by drivers in too big a hurry to get to a job they were carelessly late for. I would station a policeman in any such area till the crazy people take a different route.

My boyfriend got in trouble for running a stop at 5-10 mph... we call those California Stops out here in Michigan. And I agree that the policeman should use a little discretion in the off hours when no other traffic is on the road. If no one is in danger the ticket is just greedy.

We do? Cause I gotta be honest....I've never in my life heard anyone refer to that as a California stop. Usually heard it as a Michigan stop. Cause this winter aside, it's mostly a bad habit picked up during winters when coming to a full stop means getting hopelessly stuck on the ice. Especially on back roads that rarely see a plow.

And if there is anything I've learned from living where I do, it's don't speed inside the city limits. On the highway, okay, as long as you're not being reckless about it, but never inside the city limits. The cops are just waiting to pounce on speeders. Eh, it's a college town so that's pretty understandable. We do have more than our fair share of inexperienced drivers.

interesting. Very much so.


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Well, Texas is the only place where I heard, REPEATEDLY, the phrase "you're too smart for your own good" in regard to my faith, because I constantly questioned it, found logical fallicies, etc. It wasn't until college that a friend who was well versed in apologetics helped me through my struggles, but the Texas approach was "shut up 'n' believe, boy."

The racism there makes Georgia look like a happy harmonious family.

The education was below Florida, which is saying something. I slept through classes and got straight As, where here that would give me a C. The TASP was a joke. Apparently I could go to any college there for free - the case is not the same here, and I'm not a different person.

Seriously, I cannot emphasize enough the racism.

The culture of unearned pride in things people who are ancestors of people who happen to live in the same area is disgusting. They think they're better than the rest of the country.

I have cousins who live there, and one said to me "if you're ever in Texas again, you should come visit."

To which I replied "If I'm ever in Texas again, call for help; I've been kidnapped."

Silver Crusade

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I'm sure there's parts of the state that are lovely and wouldn't drive me into a frothing rage, but they're the parts no one ever talks about. And the parts people do talk about make me put my head through a wall

There are many nice places, however there are many places that are complete dumpster fires. I live in the Bay Area yeah the weathers great, but traffic sucks, crime is rampant, the cost of living is high to say the least. And how do I phrase this...A certain "Climate" that may not be spoken about on Fawtl is not to my taste.


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Is it temperate climate?


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I admit, I haven't run into most of the problems a lot of people throw out when they complain about Texas. Not to say they don't exist - far from it - but more that I'm just oblivious and asocial so I missed out on them. I grew up in a tiny town and if there were racial issues there I just didn't notice them. I've never really had a crisis of faith so that was never an issue for me.

I'd probably argue more vehemently against the impression if I hadn't met enough Texans online who typify the stereotype way too perfectly to ever argue it isn't true to some degree. That's the nature of the internet, unfortunately.

What I remember about the place was a beautiful climate, friendly people (in some cases too friendly), and far too much emphasis on sports (though that seems to just be a general US thing, I've discovered). Since I can get all of that where I currently live (except the GA winters are harsher), I've really no real drive to move back, but I wouldn't object if I happened to find myself in the area again.

It's extremely unlikely, though. My plans at the moment point elsewhere.


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Well, I'll wrap everything up in a nice little bow (it's been getting dangerously political around here, much of it my fault), but then I've got another image to build, so actually, y'know, "Work" work.

The two big issues in California are:
(1) The proposition process. Anyone can create a law, if they can get enough signatures. And if you've seen the U.S. political system, you know that people will vote for anything if you put enough lipstick on it.

(2) The cash-starved governments. Everything is, "What can we do that's cheap?"

So... going back to stop signs...

NobodysHome's Story Time:

Growing up, the stop signs in my neighborhood were "reasonably" placed. One at either end of the park, one at the western major North-South thoroughfare, and one at the eastern one, a bit over a mile up. It was a fairly polite neighborhood: People stopped for pedestrians, stop signs were largely respected (though few drivers in California truly "stop", the roll-through speed was perhaps 2-3 mph), and there were 3 stop signs and a light between our house and the freeway.

Then, in the 1990's, one resident complained about the speed of traffic on all the east-west streets. The city did a study, and, sure enough, traffic was averaging just over 32 mph on the 25 mph streets. So, what to do, what to do, what to do?

Rather than something rational, like, say, hiring one additional officer to patrol those streets, they hired a civil engineer to make recommendations. They said, "We want to put a stop sign on every corner. That'll force cars to slow down!"

The civil engineer was horrified by this idea. He pointed out that it violated California's guidelines for traffic control devices. (No more than 1 device per 1/4 mile, except in extremely high-traffic areas.) He pointed out studies that excessive stop signs caused people to speed more (because they get accustomed to constantly accelerating). He suggested speed bumps, increased enforcement, or even cameras. Anything but stop signs.

But stop signs were cheap. So in the quarter-square-mile problem area the city installed around 25 stop signs.

There is now a stop sign every 100 feet or so. Where I used to have 3 stop signs and a light, I now have 8 stop signs and 3 lights to get to the freeway, barely over a mile away. My Echo went from 43 mpg to 23 mpg from having to constantly stop and start.

And now drivers, frustrated at having to stop so often, will try to bully their way past pedestrians ("Why should I have to stop AGAIN!?!?!"), roll through stop signs at 10+ mph, and are all in all far more dangerous than they ever were before the stop signs got put in.

So in theory, "Just, you know, obey the law!" is a great idea, it breaks down when your lawmakers are idiots.

Silver Crusade

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captain yesterday wrote:
Is it temperate climate?

Temperate is a curse word to our de-facto leader. He of the flaming bike


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He's our leader? I didn't vote for him.


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I didn't vote either... Perhaps self appointed leader is the term?


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Leader, follower... He is the guy with the flaming bikes.


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The thread the thread the thread is on fire
We don't need no mods let the motherFaWtL burn
Burn motherFaWtL burn


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Orthos wrote:

I admit I'm weird compared to the majority of people I've met since I tend to err on the side of caution, i.e. the side of stricter restriction.

Given two options as to what to do, I will almost always choose the one with the tighter restrictions, because that's less likely to be interpreted as wrong or to have unexpected consequences.

That out of the way... this thread continues my lifelong saga of "The more I hear about California the less I ever want to visit" =P

it's fascinating. I used to feel the same way you did about driving in cali, until I actually did it.

It's different from the ground up with respect to New York. Larger lanes, by far, are the biggest improvement. But what really got me was that I was the only one who was looking at his speedometer, everyone else simply went faster on the left and slowed down on the right. It was like what everyone swears driving on the belt is like in ny, except it isn't(cops are EVERYWHERE. Despite what you may have heard, there is a lot of greenery and natural spaces in ny, and especially in brooklyn. If it's the belt parkway, chances are you're surrounded by either water or trees. If it's trees, assume there are cops hiding behind them, because they are). Once I took my (admittedly crazy) sister in laws advice and ignored my speedometer, it was very much like what I think driving the autobahn would be like. If people have a problem with you, they will switch lanes- and not likely switch back. It was fascinating to watch and be a part of.


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Orthos wrote:

He's our leader? I didn't vote for him.

Aranna wrote:
I didn't vote either... Perhaps self appointed leader is the term?

Remember folks, I am what happens when you don't vote.

That said, as fascinating as I find everyone's story(and I really do. The internet...wow. what would I be without it, without finding and talking to people from places other than where I am? Pen pals as a kid don't even hold a candle, and I felt so...BIG when I was doing the pen pal program at my elementary school), I do fear we are veering too close to politics here.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Remember folks, I am what happens when you don't vote...I do fear we are veering too close to politics here.

Hi, Mr. Pot, I'm Mr. Kettle, and I don't appreciate your racism. :-P

Dark Archive

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I do fear we are veering too close to politics here.

HOW DARE YOU impinge on my rights to speak of this RL topic on a fantasy gaming site!


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Remember folks, I am what happens when you don't vote...I do fear we are veering too close to politics here.
Hi, Mr. Pot, I'm Mr. Kettle, and I don't appreciate your racism. :-P

I should have emphasized the sarcasm in the first sentence....


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:-D

I'm just being silly and snarky. Couldn't resist.


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:

:-D

I'm just being silly and snarky. Couldn't resist.

I know. I walked into that one.


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I walked into something, once.


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Orthos wrote:
Aranna wrote:
My boyfriend got in trouble for running a stop at 5-10 mph... we call those California Stops out here in Michigan.

Yeah, that's what we called them in Arizona.

Growing up in Texas, my dad always called them Oozes. Or more accurately, he would say "It's a STOP sign, not an OOZE sign!" and when we asked for an explanation he'd say "They're not actually stopping, they're just slowing down and oozing through the stop line."

If the sign is an ooze, does a car count as a bludgeoning weapon for the purposes of overcoming DR?


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

I admit I'm weird compared to the majority of people I've met since I tend to err on the side of caution, i.e. the side of stricter restriction.

Given two options as to what to do, I will almost always choose the one with the tighter restrictions, because that's less likely to be interpreted as wrong or to have unexpected consequences.

That out of the way... this thread continues my lifelong saga of "The more I hear about California the less I ever want to visit" =P

it's fascinating. I used to feel the same way you did about driving in cali, until I actually did it.

It's different from the ground up with respect to New York. Larger lanes, by far, are the biggest improvement. But what really got me was that I was the only one who was looking at his speedometer, everyone else simply went faster on the left and slowed down on the right. It was like what everyone swears driving on the belt is like in ny, except it isn't(cops are EVERYWHERE. Despite what you may have heard, there is a lot of greenery and natural spaces in ny, and especially in brooklyn. If it's the belt parkway, chances are you're surrounded by either water or trees. If it's trees, assume there are cops hiding behind them, because they are). Once I took my (admittedly crazy) sister in laws advice and ignored my speedometer, it was very much like what I think driving the autobahn would be like. If people have a problem with you, they will switch lanes- and not likely switch back. It was fascinating to watch and be a part of.

Yeah, I couldn't do that. It grinds far too hard against my personal moralities and ethics.


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It wouldn't be a problem if the state would just man up and take down the speed limit signs and just enforce laws for reckless driving and the like, and admit that actual speed isn't the problem. They keep up the actual speed limits as a pretext that they're enforcing it, which is idiotic.


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Burn motherFaWtL burn

BURN BABY BURN FAWTL INFERNO


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I've never gotten a ticket in California, and I drove everywhere in that state, only time when we talked to cops in California was at the border, to make sure we didn't have fruit with us.

And yes I mean everywhere.

Crescent City, Eureka, Redwoods, Berkeley, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, San Luis Obispo, Santa Monica, Santa Barbara (awesome camp ground there on a cliff above the beach, expensive but worth it), Los Angeles, Long Beach, Huntington Beach, San Diego, Bakersfield, Fresno, Sacramento, Shasta, Weed, and Redding


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Wait...wait...there's a town called Weed in California?

GTFOH!

THAT. IS. HILARIOUS!

That's like naming a town in Alabama "Meth"


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Of course there is, everyone that's everyone gets their picture taken under the Weed arch. :-)


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Look on a map (any map) of northern California, there it is. :-)


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My home is rad
A lot of these posts are pretty much nonsense


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Sorry, I didn't hear you, I was planning my trip to a little suburb of Miami called Powder. Can't decide if I should take a flight from there to Whiskey, Tennessee, or Paint Fumes, Georgia. :-D


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There's always Oshkosh, Wi. And pick up some sweet overalls.


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Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

I admit I'm weird compared to the majority of people I've met since I tend to err on the side of caution, i.e. the side of stricter restriction.

Given two options as to what to do, I will almost always choose the one with the tighter restrictions, because that's less likely to be interpreted as wrong or to have unexpected consequences.

That out of the way... this thread continues my lifelong saga of "The more I hear about California the less I ever want to visit" =P

it's fascinating. I used to feel the same way you did about driving in cali, until I actually did it.

It's different from the ground up with respect to New York. Larger lanes, by far, are the biggest improvement. But what really got me was that I was the only one who was looking at his speedometer, everyone else simply went faster on the left and slowed down on the right. It was like what everyone swears driving on the belt is like in ny, except it isn't(cops are EVERYWHERE. Despite what you may have heard, there is a lot of greenery and natural spaces in ny, and especially in brooklyn. If it's the belt parkway, chances are you're surrounded by either water or trees. If it's trees, assume there are cops hiding behind them, because they are). Once I took my (admittedly crazy) sister in laws advice and ignored my speedometer, it was very much like what I think driving the autobahn would be like. If people have a problem with you, they will switch lanes- and not likely switch back. It was fascinating to watch and be a part of.

Yeah, I couldn't do that. It grinds far too hard against my personal moralities and ethics.

I understand where you're coming from, but I gotta say, it wasn't until I tried it that I saw and was amazed by how well it worked.


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Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Aranna wrote:
My boyfriend got in trouble for running a stop at 5-10 mph... we call those California Stops out here in Michigan.

Yeah, that's what we called them in Arizona.

Growing up in Texas, my dad always called them Oozes. Or more accurately, he would say "It's a STOP sign, not an OOZE sign!" and when we asked for an explanation he'd say "They're not actually stopping, they're just slowing down and oozing through the stop line."

If the sign is an ooze, does a car count as a bludgeoning weapon for the purposes of overcoming DR?

only after a certain speed.


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Sorry, I didn't hear you, I was planning my trip to a little suburb of Miami called Powder. Can't decide if I should take a flight from there to Whiskey, Tennessee, or Paint Fumes, Georgia. :-D

Speaking of which, perhaps you'd like to enter the Devil's Arse?

Or taste the delights of Wetwang?

EDIT: Or Beer, come to that.


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:

Wait...wait...there's a town called Weed in California?

GTFOH!

THAT. IS. HILARIOUS!

That's like naming a town in Alabama "Meth"

They even have their own microbrewery, called "Legal Weed".

Unfortunately, it's crap beer.

But at least it was a good idea...


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It is crap beer.


And Jenny's nipples is still around?


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Knew a girl named Jenny Hickey in high school.


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There's beer that isn't crap?


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Not in my experience.


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And Jenny's nipples is still around?

I don't know what this is, and I'm too frightened to Google it...


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Sorry, I didn't hear you, I was planning my trip to a little suburb of Miami called Powder. Can't decide if I should take a flight from there to Whiskey, Tennessee, or Paint Fumes, Georgia. :-D

You should go to Hell as well. Spring is in the air in Hell, Michigan.


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So, the Protomen.
You like Megaman. You like Rock, Opera, Westerns, and Tragedy.
Here is the first two acts. (Act II being a prequel.)
This City Made Us, Hold Back the Night are the newest from Act III.

... yes, they were released six months ago. Yes I just found them. Shut it.

I may or may not be obsessed, recently.

EDIT: Act III isn't released yet. Act I was 2005, Act II (which is fundamentally amazing in every way) was 2009, and Act III has released only two of its songs. I wanna hear the rest so baaaaaaaaaaaad.


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
There's beer that isn't crap?

yes


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Tacticslion wrote:

So, the Protomen.

You like Megaman. You like Rock, Opera, Westerns, and Tragedy.
Here is the first two acts. (Act II being a prequel.)
This City Made Us, Hold Back the Night are the newest from Act III.

... yes, they were released six months ago. Yes I just found them. Shut it.

I may or may not be obsessed, recently.

EDIT: Act III isn't released yet. Act I was 2005, Act II (which is fundamentally amazing in every way) was 2009, and Act III has released only two of its songs. I wanna hear the rest so baaaaaaaaaaaad.

Protomen have actually been around for years, they had a concert while I was living out in Phoenix (sadly I didn't get to go). They're great.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

I admit I'm weird compared to the majority of people I've met since I tend to err on the side of caution, i.e. the side of stricter restriction.

Given two options as to what to do, I will almost always choose the one with the tighter restrictions, because that's less likely to be interpreted as wrong or to have unexpected consequences.

That out of the way... this thread continues my lifelong saga of "The more I hear about California the less I ever want to visit" =P

it's fascinating. I used to feel the same way you did about driving in cali, until I actually did it.

It's different from the ground up with respect to New York. Larger lanes, by far, are the biggest improvement. But what really got me was that I was the only one who was looking at his speedometer, everyone else simply went faster on the left and slowed down on the right. It was like what everyone swears driving on the belt is like in ny, except it isn't(cops are EVERYWHERE. Despite what you may have heard, there is a lot of greenery and natural spaces in ny, and especially in brooklyn. If it's the belt parkway, chances are you're surrounded by either water or trees. If it's trees, assume there are cops hiding behind them, because they are). Once I took my (admittedly crazy) sister in laws advice and ignored my speedometer, it was very much like what I think driving the autobahn would be like. If people have a problem with you, they will switch lanes- and not likely switch back. It was fascinating to watch and be a part of.

Yeah, I couldn't do that. It grinds far too hard against my personal moralities and ethics.
I understand where you're coming from, but I gotta say, it wasn't until I tried it that I saw and was amazed by how well it worked.

Oh I'm sure it worked wonderfully, going with the flow usually does.

Doesn't make it right, though, and that's where I have hangups.


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Tacticslion wrote:

So, the Protomen.

You like Megaman. You like Rock, Opera, Westerns, and Tragedy.
Here is the first two acts. (Act II being a prequel.)
This City Made Us, Hold Back the Night are the newest from Act III.

... yes, they were released six months ago. Yes I just found them. Shut it.

I may or may not be obsessed, recently.

EDIT: Act III isn't released yet. Act I was 2005, Act II (which is fundamentally amazing in every way) was 2009, and Act III has released only two of its songs. I wanna hear the rest so baaaaaaaaaaaad.

Orthos wrote:
Protomen have actually been around for years, they had a concert while I was living out in Phoenix (sadly I didn't get to go). They're great.

I was actually introduced to them some years ago (around 2008, maybe?), by way of Nerdy Show and Nerdapolooza (which I was introduced to by 8-bit theater linking to Dungeons & Doritos.

Anyway, I've basically been a fan of them ever since I learned of their existence, but the two songs have only been posted on the Protomens' site for six months or so, and from their website it looks like the vinal only just arrived this December or January (and was announced in July).

I linked their Night of Queen some time back, I think.

Anyway, great group! Love their music! I'm just currently obsessed with the two newest songs (and have never lost my obsession with Act II: Father of Death whichisincredibleandallofyoushouldlistentoitatalltiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssszzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz~!

>.>

Uh, carry on.


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I disdain live music. I think I'm the only person I know who, even if it were free, would rather sit at home and listen to a MP3 than go see a band. I hate crowds, the music is never as polished, I hate crowds, they're usually outside in the heat, I hate crowds, everything is overpriced, I hate crowds, the lines are awful, and did I mention I hate crowds?

Went to five concerts in my life. Slipknot put on an amazing show, but the damn moshing idiots took all the best spots and the weed was so thick in the air I got a buzz waiting in line. Ozzfest was torture during the Florida summer with 8$ water and no shade. The two local shows were enjoyable by comparison but I'd still rather not have gone. Third Day and David Crowder was actually indoors with air conditioning and chairs...but everyone kept standing up so I couldn't just sit down and enjoy it.

I'm not a large group person. I am the same way at church. I love my church, but it has a few thousand members, many of whom are...expressive... and I'm not a jump and move person anywhere, and I constantly am like "Dude, can we just sit and listen quietly, like adults?"

...this from a guy who has ADD so bad I literally fidget if I don't have at least two things going on at once.


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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
I disdain live music. I think I'm the only person I know who, even if it were free, would rather sit at home and listen to a MP3 than go see a band. I hate crowds, the music is never as polished, I hate crowds, they're usually outside in the heat, I hate crowds, everything is overpriced, I hate crowds, the lines are awful, and did I mention I hate crowds?

You are not alone. I've been to all of two concerts and that's enough for my lifetime I think.

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I'm not a large group person. I am the same way at church. I love my church, but it has a few thousand members, many of whom are...expressive... and I'm not a jump and move person anywhere, and I constantly am like "Dude, can we just sit and listen quietly, like adults?"

Heh, my congregation is the exact opposite, very quiet and reserved for the most part, none of the jumping and swaying and shouting.

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