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I heard birds singing this morning.

Spring is unofficially here.


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Don't try to seduce me, you cooled-over summer. You know it's winter that I love.


Are they really that bad?
i'm passing on the ACG myself, they just sound silly (arcanist) or unnecessary (i even gave the wife and kids a say and they also found the book unnecessary) but yeah i love what they've done with races a lot:-)


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To me, it's more of the same old stuff we saw in 2nd ed and especially in 3.x with combinations of classes and races and books that were created at different times being used together simultaneously in an attempt to "win" the game. It happens.


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i'm quite happy for spring, tis my favorite season (because its the furthest away from winter) our back yard gets full sun so it should be melted within a day or two, and the kids can run and run all they want, not to mention the regular forays into the nearby woods for creature exploration (Madison is great for having lots of small wooded areas) not to mention the regular trips downtown on the bus and to the Zoo, its gonna be a blast!


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Hmm.

considers bike ride to madison


Freehold DM wrote:
To me, it's more of the same old stuff we saw in 2nd ed and especially in 3.x with combinations of classes and races and books that were created at different times being used together simultaneously in an attempt to "win" the game. It happens.

Yes! nailed my thoughts exactly, and yes it happens, still stoked for Occult Adventures (moreso for the Occult s$#~ then the Psionics classes which i've never been a fan of)


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Psionics hasn't worked well since dark sun. like flying seafaring vessels, it needs it's own campaign setting to work.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
To me, it's more of the same old stuff we saw in 2nd ed and especially in 3.x with combinations of classes and races and books that were created at different times being used together simultaneously in an attempt to "win" the game. It happens.
Yes! nailed my thoughts exactly, and yes it happens, still stoked for Occult Adventures (moreso for the Occult s@#~ then the Psionics classes which i've never been a fan of)

I remain in favor of alternate class abilities as opposed to new classes, or in the Pathfinder paradigm, newer and stronger as well as more sharply defined archetypes and traits.

For F!TSoW, I originally considered making classes modular, with a nod to 2nd ed with four "base classes" of (wo)man at arms, priest, wizard, and rogue with the more familiar classes being packages of abilities assigned by level, with a stronger version for those who stayed single class and a slightly weaker version for those who multi classed. I abandoned the idea as it was too much work, at least for one man, but I still have my notes. I switched gears to focus on feats instead, which so far is working better. Still, I think a modular approach might be a way to get people with different approaches to gaming at the same table playing together instead of making excuses for why they can't.

Silver Crusade

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I made bacon this morning. Then I went to run an errand and when I came home I was struck with a powerful smell of bacon. Life is good.

Silver Crusade

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Also, I finished Dragon Age: Inquisition and my copy of the Mass Effect trilogy is on its way. I probably won't dive in until the end of the month, since I have two business trips in the next 2 1/2 weeks, and won't be home much on the weekends either.


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Please travel safe.


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And return safe.

Silver Crusade

Thanks!


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And have fun:)


Also listening to Flogging Molly this morning:-)


Corn on... the cob
Corn on... the corn cob
Corn of... Canada
You try... tuna

Total... cereal
Comes from a... milk cow
Total... teacup
Comes from a...

Total cereal, Total comes from
Cyborg Jesus, Total comes from

Total... Dracula
Total... milk cow fun
Sons of... thunder
Corn cob... shish kebab

Total cereal, Total comes from
Cyborg Jesus, not the principal

Corn on... the cob
Order... neutron bomb
Corn on... the cob
Corn on... the corn cob

Total earlobe, on the typical
Sort of people, such a mystical

Corn cob...


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Freehold DM wrote:
Some people just don't like how nonstandard races have been implemented and really want to edit them. I've certainly been there with some second ed approaches and the odd 3rd ed naked power race (twins were a particularly bad idea, at least the way the guy I was playing with was using them).

Our 3.0/3.5 based NWN server has a system where players can apply to play more unusual exotic races, from basic planetouched to Half-Celestials/Fiends/Dragons to more unusual things. We even have a PC Rakshasa. Just looking at my own vault, I have: a Dragonborn (3.5 version), two tieflings, a half-fiend, a drow, a half-drow, a Killoren (a 3.5 fey race), a Mephit, a feytouched elf, and an Aranea, along with a couple of humans.

Generally, we're pretty okay with a lot of things, we specifically chose a place in the setting where more unusual creatures among the adventurer populace make sense, and we've even integrated the ECL adjustments into our XP scripts so that everything is appropriately declined or advanced based on the adjustment necessary for the template.

There have always been some players who are very grouchy about this, though, and wanted a more strict policy on such creatures, or flat out wanted them removed - either via stronger restrictions against them and making applications harder to get approved (some going so far as to vote against applications simply because "I personally don't believe X [usually Drow but there are some others] should ever be allowed as a playable race") or by making in-game stigma against them so harsh that such characters are forced to exist on the server fringes, incapable of interacting with the majority of the player base and risking life and limb just to come into the city to rest or sell loot.

The admin staff has never been in favor of such stringent behavior, and even besides that the in-character culture that has developed over the 10+ years the server has existed has not done so in a way that supports such character-to-character hostility under the majority of circumstances, so we have a tiff from these players every few months about how the server is unrealistic, imbalanced, or otherwise DoinItBadWrongFun because of exotic races. This is just the latest outburst from the latest loudest mouth on the subject... all the more irritating because the player doesn't even play anymore, just lurks on the forums and injects his two coppers whenever his hateon subject pops up.


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Freehold DM wrote:

I heard birds singing this morning.

Spring is unofficially here.

*looks outside at bright clear skies, light breeze, and 67* weather*

Yep, sounds about right. =)


Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Some people just don't like how nonstandard races have been implemented and really want to edit them. I've certainly been there with some second ed approaches and the odd 3rd ed naked power race (twins were a particularly bad idea, at least the way the guy I was playing with was using them).

Our 3.0/3.5 based NWN server has a system where players can apply to play more unusual exotic races, from basic planetouched to Half-Celestials/Fiends/Dragons to more unusual things. We even have a PC Rakshasa. Just looking at my own vault, I have: a Dragonborn (3.5 version), two tieflings, a half-fiend, a drow, a half-drow, a Killoren (a 3.5 fey race), a Mephit, a feytouched elf, and an Aranea, along with a couple of humans.

Generally, we're pretty okay with a lot of things, we specifically chose a place in the setting where more unusual creatures among the adventurer populace make sense, and we've even integrated the ECL adjustments into our XP scripts so that everything is appropriately declined or advanced based on the adjustment necessary for the template.

There have always been some players who are very grouchy about this, though, and wanted a more strict policy on such creatures, or flat out wanted them removed - either via stronger restrictions against them and making applications harder to get approved (some going so far as to vote against applications simply because "I personally don't believe X [usually Drow but there are some others] should ever be allowed as a playable race") or by making in-game stigma against them so harsh that such characters are forced to exist on the server fringes, incapable of interacting with the majority of the player base and risking life and limb just to come into the city to rest or sell loot.

The admin staff has never been in favor of such stringent behavior, and even besides that the in-character culture that has developed over the 10+ years the server has existed has not done so in a way that supports such character-to-character hostility...

hm. I would probably be less than excited to play with such powerful races myself, if only due to bad tabletop memories. The old book that turned certain races into class-like level abilities mitigated that distrust strongly, and i think unearthed arcana did it best where *everyone* had racial levels. still, i dont think i would be so rude as to simply attack a fellow player just because of what his race was, barring a few naked examples of stupidity(i can play a redeemed pit fiend, right? Right?)


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I played a show last night, and afterward, I realized that I look ridiculous on stage. I'm a decently-sized guy (6'0", 180 lbs.), but since I've got a bad back, I always end up using tiny guitars-- currently a Kiso-Suzuki F100 (basically a 3/4-size Martin Dreadnought) and a Harmony H802. I feel like Chris Farley wearing David Spade's coat.


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Eh, it's not how big your instrument is, it's how you use it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
hm. I would probably be less than excited to play with such powerful races myself, if only due to bad tabletop memories. The old book that turned certain races into class-like level abilities mitigated that distrust strongly, and i think unearthed arcana did it best where *everyone* had racial levels. still, i dont think i would be so rude as to simply attack a fellow player just because of what his race was, barring a few naked examples of stupidity(i can play a redeemed pit fiend, right? Right?)

And the game gives methods for characters to conceal their species if they are something that needs such - half-planars have innate shapeshifting to assume a "normal" form, hoods and cloaks and heavy robes to cover things like half-dragons and drow, etc. And you'll still get unpleasant reactions from certain NPCs, that's the nature of the setting and most players accept that.

The complainers are just mad that the majority of PCs are not interested in playing a game where they have to get uprighteously indignant at anything that isn't a core race every time it shows up. After the first ten tieflings you meet are eccentric-looking but generally harmless except for one or two of the bunch, the next ten are probably not going to provoke a strong reaction (doubly so since the city has a doorway to the World Serpent in it, making planar travel semi-common). And so forth.


AH, World Serpent, say no more.


Orthos wrote:

Oh look, the guy who hates nonstandard races is here to tell us how to implement nonstandard races. And of course he does so by saying to get rid of everything mechanically that makes the race what it is and replace it with something completely different and only tangentially related.

Of course.

I swear, I love NWN gaming sometimes, but there are certain people who make me want to bash my head into a brick wall until one or the other gives.

I'm going 3-2-4 against brick walls and 1-4-5 against concrete.


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Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.


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Links. I want to read some nice, juicy drama that isn't a political fight for once.


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By our beloved community you mean Paizo forum or your server's forum?


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I'm pretty sure the forum it's on isn't accessible to unregistered users, and the actual accusation of me (and Ebon) being forum tyrants who drove him away was done via PM.

Basically he's the same guy who I was ranting about above, who was raving about how exotic races like Half-dragons are overpowered and destroy server balance and we need to redo the way we handle them to not be true to the books and fit (his idea of) balanced mechanics better. He's one of those RP elitist types, snobby and selfrighteous and constantly trying to play that "I'm so much better than this" card.

When Ebon pulled him aside with a PM and told him to stop derailing threads with this, he mouthed off at her, calling her and me "simple disgusting circlejerkers" who "have very poor balance experience compared to me" and "you together are why I'm absent. It's thought and forum tyranny."

And nothing of value was lost.

Drejk wrote:
By our beloved community you mean Paizo forum or your server's forum?

Server forum.


If he doesn't like it, don't play? I mean, no disrespect, Orthos, but I doubt I'd enjoy your games. Kitchen sink isn't my type of thing, I prefer a smaller number of races with each having a well defined backstory (though the core races are not the only ones that interest me, and my settings have playable races outside the big 7), and, while I do love tieflings, I find tieflings aren't so fun to play if they aren't discriminated against for being demonspawn. None of that justifies going after you for being wrong or s&!%ting up the forum for a game I dislike enough not to play. I mean, I don't like Old School D&D, so I stay out of Dragonsfoot Forums rather than going over there to scream at them for playing things I don't like. On that vein, I don't get people who constantly b~!$~ about new PF rulebooks instead of just not using them.


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Orthos wrote:

Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.

oooh...Kefka with Hitler stache!


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Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
If he doesn't like it, don't play?

He doesn't. He just hangs out on the forums and kvetches when he sees things he doesn't like.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.

oooh...Kefka with Hitler stache!

This is my current avatar there, and has been for over a year now.


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Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.

oooh...Kefka with Hitler stache!
This is my current avatar there, and has been for over a year now.

COOOOOOOOOOOOOL!


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Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.

oooh...Kefka with Hitler stache!
This is my current avatar there, and has been for over a year now.

Easy enough to do. Kinda hard to make it really Hitleresque, though.


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dammit Orthos look what you made me do


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Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:

Good news everyone! I'm apparently Forum Hitler, guilty of "thought and forum tyranny", and the reason a certain special someone no longer plays in our beloved community.

Any artist who can get me a picture of Kefka with a Hitler Stache would be greatly appreciated.

oooh...Kefka with Hitler stache!
This is my current avatar there, and has been for over a year now.
Easy enough to do. Kinda hard to make it really Hitleresque, though.

that's tina, though...


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Well I wouldn't bloody well know.


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LOL Terra Hitler is nonetheless amusing.


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For Freehold


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So...

FINALLY moved out of my parents place. The "temporary" living arrangement lasted 6+ years, and was ruining relationships.

Kiddo has her own room for the first time ever.

We have our bedroom to ourselves for the first time in 3 years.

Life is good.


Woot!

Have a happy time at the new place.


Orthos wrote:

I'm pretty sure the forum it's on isn't accessible to unregistered users, and the actual accusation of me (and Ebon) being forum tyrants who drove him away was done via PM.

Basically he's the same guy who I was ranting about above, who was raving about how exotic races like Half-dragons are overpowered and destroy server balance and we need to redo the way we handle them to not be true to the books and fit (his idea of) balanced mechanics better. He's one of those RP elitist types, snobby and selfrighteous and constantly trying to play that "I'm so much better than this" card.

When Ebon pulled him aside with a PM and told him to stop derailing threads with this, he mouthed off at her, calling her and me "simple disgusting circlejerkers" who "have very poor balance experience compared to me" and "you together are why I'm absent. It's thought and forum tyranny."

And nothing of value was lost.

Drejk wrote:
By our beloved community you mean Paizo forum or your server's forum?
Server forum.

Is... is it sad that my first reaction to such things is to really want to request a special in-character quest to eventually become a (good) Shade...?

(I'm not going to. I'm a newb and haven't even kicked off RPing properly, and have spent NOWHERE near the amount of time I'd need to in-character for that sort of thing. I wouldn't actually want to right now, considering he's just struck out on his own! It's still my initial reaction, though. :D)


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My flu is finally starting to subside.

Also, I played through Shovel Knight during my sick leave.

New Game+ on that game was hard as hell but very much worth it.

I do not regret pledging cash on that game back when it was on Kickstarter!


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Tacticslion wrote:

Is... is it sad that my first reaction to such things is to really want to request a special in-character quest to eventually become a (good) Shade...?

(I'm not going to. I'm a newb and haven't even kicked off RPing properly, and have spent NOWHERE near the amount of time I'd need to in-character for that sort of thing. I wouldn't actually want to right now, considering he's just struck out on his own! It's still my initial reaction, though. :D)

Hahah. I think we've approved all of one Shade in the ten years the server has existed, and maybe three regular old Shadovar (basically just Humans with Darkvision). It's probably the toughest race to get approved, or possibly second to Fey'ri, because of the server's lore and the setting starting with the City of Shade and Cormyr at war (which has happened twice now).

Good Shades tend to end up dead, or no longer Shades, since their abilities are tied very strongly to Shar. I'm not sure we'd ever allow that; I imagine it would end up something like a reverse Dragonborn, where shifting too far away from the base alignment allowed would result in the template undoing itself, reverting the character to their original form.


Hm... a challenge... it may have to be accepted... >:I

(But definitely not yet!)


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ebon_fyre wrote:

So...

FINALLY moved out of my parents place. The "temporary" living arrangement lasted 6+ years, and was ruining relationships.

Kiddo has her own room for the first time ever.

We have our bedroom to ourselves for the first time in 3 years.

Life is good.

Congratz!!!


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Orthos wrote:
For Freehold

~LAUGHTER~


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Hm. Went searching for another thread, and found nothing verboten in the Scriptures about cannibalism. There are several places where it is implied that because people are wicked enough, they will be put into a situation in which they are desperate enough to engage in cannibalism, but nothing explicitly forbids it.

What is forbidden is killing anyone else, and the clear implication is that only those desperate enough would stoop to such behavior.

This is especially interesting in light of the fact that many in Jesus' time left off from following Him because of His statements of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. They left because they considered it "proof" that He was not following the scriptures, when, in fact, He had not broken the Law at all by such statements. And, relating cannibalism to the desperate act of those who, mired in their own sinfulness, have come to such a low state as to be able to survive in no other way... well. Huh. Scripture just gained new respect in my eyes in a way that I'd never seen it before.

An aside about a website I found, rational debate over faith, and doing your homework:
I also found a site promising "proof" that God is imaginary which consists entirely of strawmen, false implications, bad logic, and a complete lack of context for the scripture references it quotes (which is often also taken out of context).

I mean they argue that it can't be real because (for example) Communion would be cannibalism, which no sane creature could countenance (specifically "Any normal adult would rightfully assume the Christian to be insane."

Blasphemous, yes, but also kind of hilarious, if sad, in how very, very wrong it gets everything I've looked into, while still purporting itself to be "rational".

Thought about posting this in the other thread, instead posted it here.

[spoiler=A few other articles I read...]... talk about "think about life after death" - in which said author ("Marshall Brain") insists that it's false because the author can't, personally, tell who or what has a soul.

Another article is "why don't you feel awe from the Bible" - in which author "Brain" entirely misses key cultural and social elements those passages rely upon for context, which is especially ironic considering the author later insists that you look for historical information and contexts to disprove the Communion by looking at its "sources" the very next article written.

I can certainly see where the author is coming from - he lays out his logic quite clearly. His site is just... bafflingly wrong while still attempting to hold the intellectual high ground. It's one of those cases where I went in expecting reasonable discourse to actually challenge and rethink my beliefs, but instead found a misinformed bigot who claimed "proof" than failed to provide any sort of "proof" whatsoever, while concluding at the end of each article, "God is imaginary" and having nothing but his own incorrect and incomplete "facts" to back him up.

Let me be clear. I'm a Christian. (I'm also one of those crazy nut-job Christians. You know: the hardline conservative believers? The weirdos? Yeah, that's me.)

I'm very, very cool with having my faith challenged in a rational way. There are many questions out there that I can't answer, or, if I could, it would cause more questions. I'm fine with that. (Faith, whatnot, crazy-guy, remember?).

But when someone purports to have proof, I expect them to have proof - or at least evidence that's solid enough that a few Google searches and a discussion with a rational Theologian of any stripe - much less one as poorly trained as I - wouldn't be able to completely negate.

I want people to believe in Jesus, but I understand the slew of reasons not to. I invite you, but don't demand.

But, holy crap, if you're going to challenge my faith based on rationality (which is fine), at least get your rationality correct.


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Goodbye 20lbs of winter layers, hello shorts and skinned knees, I missed you.

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