Orthos |
Bitter Thorn wrote:Freehold DM wrote:Healers and Ranger are my personal favorites, but I love me some rogue too just the way they are. My only complaint with healer types is the lack of skill points. I really like having a broad range of skills. Traits or class dipping let me diversify my skills, but I find it all but impossible to improve them with a cleric's skill points. I really liked the 3.5 cloistered cleric.Alignment in general has come under fire as alignment-light mmo games have increased in popularity and class abilities are seen as party resources- if the party needs the paladins abilities in a situation that the paladin wouldn't enter as a character, that's tough nuggies: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.
I'm running into issues with complaints about rogues in my kingmaker game along with complaints about finesse weapons and rapiers specifically, the idea of a single class having so many skills and being able to do so much damage through what some see as clever rule exploits is causing some friction. People seem to either want the rogue more or less powerful-noone is happy with the way things are currently.
Note that this is only my experience and opinion.
I hear that. I played a Cleric in my first PF game, and really enjoyed the class, but the lack of skill points was frustrating. I ended up not putting any points into KN (Religion), which made for some funny impromptu roleplaying of trying to make up religious practices on the fly (which no one believed anyways because I also had no skill points for Bluff :P ).
Playing a Human Wizard currently. Now I have ALL the skill points! :D
Yep, that's another problem for me - I don't like playing humans. So if I get stuck with a class with low skill points, I can't just get the racial bonus to make up for it. And if a favored class option (which we no longer tie to race) is super appealing, like extra spells known for spont-casters... yeah.
Thankfully we as a group have bumped all classes' skills per level up by two, so there's less stress there.
LordSynos |
LordSynos wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:Healers and Ranger are my personal favorites, but I love me some rogue too just the way they are. My only complaint with healer types is the lack of skill points. I really like having a broad range of skills. Traits or class dipping let me diversify my skills, but I find it all but impossible to improve them with a cleric's skill points. I really liked the 3.5 cloistered cleric.I hear that. I played a Cleric in my first PF game, and really enjoyed the class, but the lack of skill points was frustrating. I ended up not putting any points into KN (Religion), which made for some funny impromptu roleplaying of trying to make up religious practices on the fly (which no one believed anyways because I also had no skill points for Bluff :P ).
Playing a Human Wizard currently. Now I have ALL the skill points! :D
Yep, that's another problem for me - I don't like playing humans. So if I get stuck with a class with low skill points, I can't just get the racial bonus to make up for it. And if a favored class option (which we no longer tie to race) is super appealing, like extra spells known for spont-casters... yeah.
Thankfully we as a group have bumped all classes' skills per level up by two, so there's less stress there.
Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
Bitter Thorn |
Orthos wrote:LordSynos wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:Healers and Ranger are my personal favorites, but I love me some rogue too just the way they are. My only complaint with healer types is the lack of skill points. I really like having a broad range of skills. Traits or class dipping let me diversify my skills, but I find it all but impossible to improve them with a cleric's skill points. I really liked the 3.5 cloistered cleric.I hear that. I played a Cleric in my first PF game, and really enjoyed the class, but the lack of skill points was frustrating. I ended up not putting any points into KN (Religion), which made for some funny impromptu roleplaying of trying to make up religious practices on the fly (which no one believed anyways because I also had no skill points for Bluff :P ).
Playing a Human Wizard currently. Now I have ALL the skill points! :D
Yep, that's another problem for me - I don't like playing humans. So if I get stuck with a class with low skill points, I can't just get the racial bonus to make up for it. And if a favored class option (which we no longer tie to race) is super appealing, like extra spells known for spont-casters... yeah.
Thankfully we as a group have bumped all classes' skills per level up by two, so there's less stress there.
Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
Pathfinder's skill consolidation definitely helped. It was even worse in 3E and 3.5.
Tin Foil Yamakah |
LordSynos wrote:I personally like full arcane casters. I am playing a wayang umbral shadow sorceror in mummys mask. great fun so far.Orthos wrote:LordSynos wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:Healers and Ranger are my personal favorites, but I love me some rogue too just the way they are. My only complaint with healer types is the lack of skill points. I really like having a broad range of skills. Traits or class dipping let me diversify my skills, but I find it all but impossible to improve them with a cleric's skill points. I really liked the 3.5 cloistered cleric.I hear that. I played a Cleric in my first PF game, and really enjoyed the class, but the lack of skill points was frustrating. I ended up not putting any points into KN (Religion), which made for some funny impromptu roleplaying of trying to make up religious practices on the fly (which no one believed anyways because I also had no skill points for Bluff :P ).
Playing a Human Wizard currently. Now I have ALL the skill points! :D
Yep, that's another problem for me - I don't like playing humans. So if I get stuck with a class with low skill points, I can't just get the racial bonus to make up for it. And if a favored class option (which we no longer tie to race) is super appealing, like extra spells known for spont-casters... yeah.
Thankfully we as a group have bumped all classes' skills per level up by two, so there's less stress there.
Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
LordSynos |
LordSynos wrote:I personally like full arcane casters. I am playing a wayang umbral shadow sorceror in mummys mask. great fun so far.Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
This is my first time playing an arcane caster and, so far, I'm feeling pretty limited combat-wise, though I've been led to believe that's normal for low level Wizards. I have every knowledge though, and it's providing lots of fun roleplaying opportunities, so good overall.
One of my party in the previous game was a gnome shadow sorcerer though, so I know how strong they can be. Kellanved, master of shadows and illusion. I hope to be as effective as I level.
LordSynos |
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LordSynos wrote:Pathfinder's skill consolidation definitely helped. It was even worse in 3E and 3.5.Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
Never played the earlier editions, though I was aware certain skills were more broken up, mostly from games like Neverwinter Nights. I'm glad they decided to consolidate them.
Orthos |
Originally, I hadn't intended Human, not exactly my favourite race either, but another player advised me the GM was of the more lethal variety, and Toughness would do my Wizard some good. Seeing as it's made the difference twice in the course of four sessions, I don't entirely regret my decision.
That sounds so nice. :O I never got the need to restrict skills so darn much. Kinda limits the flavour you can add to characters, in my opinion. I need more flexible GM's. :P
We have a TON of homebrew races in our setting, so opening up the favored class bonuses to all races was kind of a necessity, otherwise we'd have to sit down and come up with a favored class bonus for every class for all our custom critters, or doom anyone not playing a core race to be limited to "+1 HP or 1 extra skill point, no shiny nice specialist things for you". It was just easier this way. Also this way not every spont-caster is a human for the extra spells known - that's a bonus just too good to pass up, especially for a spont-caster-lover like myself.
Bumping up the skill points was suggested by someone after trying to edge a cleric into having all the skills necessary to do their expected jobs - Heal, Knowledges, Spellcraft - without having to eke in more INT than is reasonable or be human. It caught popularity pretty quick with the group when it was brought up.
aeglos |
news from the autobahn Bomb:
they could not savely disable the bomb, so they had to detonate them in the night
it left a 40 ft wide and 12 feet deep craterin the middle of the road
so full closer in my home direction
I had to drive home through Frankfurts City ( and everyone else as well) 2hours instead of1/2 hour
they said tomorrow will the road reope, I really don't know how they will manage that in such a short time
Orthos |
news from the autobahn Bomb:
they could not savely disable the bomb, so they had to detonate them in the night
it left a 40 ft wide and 12 feet deep craterin the middle of the road
so full closer in my home direction
I had to drive home through Frankfurts City ( and everyone else as well) 2hours instead of1/2 hour
they said tomorrow will the road reope, I really don't know how they will manage that in such a short time
Whoa. At least nobody got hurt.
Orthos |
Orthos wrote:Dad suggested sending out a mass email asking for any old furniture people are willing to give away or sell. Need to do that today.Furniture can be quite the expenditure, the only thing I would recommend is getting a good mattress. You cannot underestimate a good nights rest.
Yep, this is what pretty much everyone has told me.
DSXMachina |
Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:Yep, this is what pretty much everyone has told me.Orthos wrote:Dad suggested sending out a mass email asking for any old furniture people are willing to give away or sell. Need to do that today.Furniture can be quite the expenditure, the only thing I would recommend is getting a good mattress. You cannot underestimate a good nights rest.
But that e-mail idea is great, everyone has an old table chair that they might like to replace or is cluttering up their place - some of it great quality.
Tin Foil Yamakah |
Orthos wrote:But that e-mail idea is great, everyone has an old table chair that they might like to replace or is cluttering up their place - some of it great quality.Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:Yep, this is what pretty much everyone has told me.Orthos wrote:Dad suggested sending out a mass email asking for any old furniture people are willing to give away or sell. Need to do that today.Furniture can be quite the expenditure, the only thing I would recommend is getting a good mattress. You cannot underestimate a good nights rest.
Especially if you can rent a truck/box van and pick it up from them, They will probably give it to you.
Orthos |
DSXMachina wrote:Especially if you can rent a truck/box van and pick it up from them, They will probably give it to you.Orthos wrote:But that e-mail idea is great, everyone has an old table chair that they might like to replace or is cluttering up their place - some of it great quality.Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:Yep, this is what pretty much everyone has told me.Orthos wrote:Dad suggested sending out a mass email asking for any old furniture people are willing to give away or sell. Need to do that today.Furniture can be quite the expenditure, the only thing I would recommend is getting a good mattress. You cannot underestimate a good nights rest.
We have a van and if necessary plan to grab a UHaul thing.
Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:I have got to swing down to Texas Sunday for a few days.
I hope everyone here is well.
looking after your dad?
how is he doing ?
and how is Diane ? Please say Hi to her from me and Sabine
Yes. He is hanging in there, and it looks like he will make it to 89.
Will do.
Orthos |
My grandfather was a few weeks short of 89 when he passed. He was pretty much the "still doing something every day" type as well, up until the last month or two.
My remaining grandparents are all in the same age bracket, though I think he was the oldest of the bunch. Mom's mom is 87 I think, and Dad's parents are a little younger, 85/86 I think. I don't have it written down though.
Tordek Rumnaheim |
aeglos wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:I have got to swing down to Texas Sunday for a few days.
I hope everyone here is well.
looking after your dad?
how is he doing ?
and how is Diane ? Please say Hi to her from me and Sabine
Yes. He is hanging in there, and it looks like he will make it to 89.
Will do.
Maybe we can finally hook up for lunch if you have time while you are over this way.
Celestial Healer |
Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:We have a van and if necessary plan to grab a UHaul thing.DSXMachina wrote:Especially if you can rent a truck/box van and pick it up from them, They will probably give it to you.Orthos wrote:But that e-mail idea is great, everyone has an old table chair that they might like to replace or is cluttering up their place - some of it great quality.Tin Foil Yamakah wrote:Yep, this is what pretty much everyone has told me.Orthos wrote:Dad suggested sending out a mass email asking for any old furniture people are willing to give away or sell. Need to do that today.Furniture can be quite the expenditure, the only thing I would recommend is getting a good mattress. You cannot underestimate a good nights rest.
Want a TV? If you come to NY, I can give you at least two or three.
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