Play, Play, Play clarification


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I am about to go to Connoga, which will be doing the Year of the Shadow Lodge adventure. I have already done this scenario, and therefore cannot get credit for it again. However, I do still want to play it, even though I can't receive credit. Would it be legal for me to be seated at a table, using the same character/faction as I used last time to play? (he is higher level, I mostly wanted to experience the top tier in this scenario)

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Shigamori wrote:
I am about to go to Connoga, which will be doing the Year of the Shadow Lodge adventure. I have already done this scenario, and therefore cannot get credit for it again. However, I do still want to play it, even though I can't receive credit. Would it be legal for me to be seated at a table, using the same character/faction as I used last time to play? (he is higher level, I mostly wanted to experience the top tier in this scenario)

Under the current rules as I understand them, it is perfectly legal to replay a scenario. When you replay a scenario you will receive no credit.

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Shigamori wrote:
Would it be legal for me to be seated at a table, using the same character/faction as I used last time to play?

No. The replay rules require that you play with a different character of a different faction. Also, while the Play! Play! Play! rule will allow you to replay, the expectation is that it should only happen rarely and then only to fill out a legal table. Although it might be legal, it is not in the "spirit" of play for you to intentionally scheduled yourself for replay. But even if you do, it must be with a new character.


If you are correct TwilightKnight, then thats a little disappointing. I mean, I could play it with another character, but he would be level 1, so I don't think i would have nearly as much fun as at level 10

This was mostly brought up because that is the only game running in that slot, I figured if it was all i could play, I would play the top tier with the character that has already done it, for the fun of it, and to have a chance to finally play with the people who got me into PFS to begin with

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Shigamori wrote:

If you are correct TwilightKnight, then thats a little disappointing. I mean, I could play it with another character, but he would be level 1, so I don't think i would have nearly as much fun as at level 10

This was mostly brought up because that is the only game running in that slot, I figured if it was all i could play, I would play the top tier with the character that has already done it, for the fun of it, and to have a chance to finally play with the people who got me into PFS to begin with

While I do empathize with you, Shigamori, I must add publicly: I hope TwilightKnight is correct. Any rule that leads to people planning to replay the same scenario with the same character is bad for the game in general. Some of us don't want to play with people replaying a scenario, whether they make the table or not. Frankly, the replay rule is a very risky business, as it leads to these confusions...


This is directly from the stickied thread in this forum, which if you do not go directly into the General Discussion tab, you will never see, as the thread is locked and there is no way to post in it and bump it to the top of the overall topic list. Anyway, here is the rule:

Quote:

If you play you earn 1 credit that is applied to the character that played through the scenario.

If you GM a scenario, you earn 1 credit that can be applied to any character that hasn't played through the scenario.

You receive GM or player credit regardless of the order you play/GM the scenario. You may not earn more than 1 player credit and 1 GM credit regardless of how many times you GM or play the scenario. You are free to use PPP to seat legal tables, but if you already have earned your credits you do not earn any additional ones.

Please notice the last sentence. This means you can only replay it so long as you are needed to make a legal table, not just because you want to. Also, I am pretty sure it has been stated by either Hyrum or Mark in another thread, that with the new rule, which character is used and the faction no longer matter. So yes, you can play again with the same character if you are needed to make the table legal, and you will get no reward and you have the chance of death for your character and any consumables you use are actually used and not replaced. This last part may change when the next official version of the Guide is released, but as of now I am pretty sure this is how they said it works.


I understand now, thanks

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Shigamori wrote:
I mean, I could play it with another character, but he would be level 1, so I don't think i would have nearly as much fun as at level 10

ummm, it is not possible to play a level 1 character in the same scenario that a level 10 could play in or vice versa, so even if you wanted to, this would not be an option.


Dragnmoon wrote:
Shigamori wrote:
I mean, I could play it with another character, but he would be level 1, so I don't think i would have nearly as much fun as at level 10
ummm, it is not possible to play a level 1 character in the same scenario that a level 10 could play in or vice versa, so even if you wanted to, this would not be an option.

It's Year of the Shadow Lodge, the special event, it has all sub tiers in it (1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 8-9, 10-11)

but regardless, it doesn't seem you can replay at all unless you are needed to fill a 4th seat

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You can never play in a subtier more than one away from your PC's level, no matter what. We have pregens at 1st, 4th, and 7th level that can thus play in any adventure; if you don't have a PC of the appropriate level, play a pregen and work with the event coordinator to plan tables ahead of time to ensure something is offered next time that you can play in with your own PC.

As for the specific situation of the OP, I'm curious why you aren't offering to GM one of the tables? That would allow you to get credit for the slot and apply the credit to whichever PC you want (except the one that already played through the special).

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Shigamori, Since we had 9 tables scheduled and 9 DMs ready to go, I am currently working with a couple of those DMs to see if they would run a different game in that time slot since we have quite a few people who have played and will most likely only get 7 tables of the Special. Keep checking out the Warhorn site to see when/if they are added.


Michael Brock wrote:

Shigamori, Since we had 9 tables scheduled and 9 DMs ready to go, I am currently working with a couple of those DMs to see if they would run a different game in that time slot since we have quite a few people who have played and will most likely only get 7 tables of the Special. Keep checking out the Warhorn site to see when/if they are added.

That actually sounds great, i really appreciate that.

As for judging it myself, I am not of the caliber of judge that should be running this in my opinion. I need a lot more experience judging before i even attempt doing anything at a convention

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We have added #2-04: Shadows Fall on Absalom (Tier 7-11) and will be adding a Tier 1-5 or 1-7 scenario this weekend to add some choices for those who have already played the PFS Special: Year of the Shadow Lodge.

As for being the "caliber of judge," if you like to have fun, have a basic grasp of the rules, and enjoy helping others have a great time, you would make an outstanding DM. If you ever want to come to one of our local game days in the Atlanta metro area to try your hand, we run PFS every weekend, Mondays, Wed, Thurs. and Fridays somewhere. There are many choices. Also, if you wanted me to sit with you when you DM your first game as kind of a consultant, I have absolutely no problem with that either.

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Michael Brock wrote:
As for being the "caliber of judge," if you like to have fun, have a basic grasp of the rules, and enjoy helping others have a great time, you would make an outstanding DM. If you ever want to come to one of our local game days in the Atlanta metro area to try your hand, we run PFS every weekend, Mondays, Wed, Thurs. and Fridays somewhere. There are many choices. Also, if you wanted me to sit with you when you DM your first game as kind of a consultant, I have absolutely no problem with that either.

What Mike Said..

I got my first experience running a PFS game a Gen Con UK 08, and I did not get my first experience running a Pathfinder RPG game until running PFS at Gen Con Indy 09.

Granted I had past experience GMing, but mostly with other systems, so I already knew the proper way to GM was grabbing players by the balls and twisting until they begged for mercy... ;)

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Michael Brock wrote:
you would make an outstanding DM

+1...too many players out there feel their skill level is somehow lacking and they are not "qualified" to GM. Most GM's are not published authors or some kind of super-gamer. IMHO, GM'ing a home-style campaign is much more challenging than organized play. The scenarios are written for you so you only need to be familiar with the text and encounters before running. As long as you have passion for wanting to "host" a fun game at your table, you will. Besides, you get to be "in charge" of the game. That is a plus for all of us control-freaks ;-)

Although, I have been GM'ing all the various versions of D&D, I never did it at a convention setting, for people I never met, until Origins last year. I was nervous, but it went great. I know I had loads of fun and the players seemed to as well. You just never know until you try it. As Nike says, "Just Do It"

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TwilightKnight wrote:
Shigamori wrote:
Would it be legal for me to be seated at a table, using the same character/faction as I used last time to play?
No. The replay rules require that you play with a different character of a different faction. Also, while the Play! Play! Play! rule will allow you to replay, the expectation is that it should only happen rarely and then only to fill out a legal table. Although it might be legal, it is not in the "spirit" of play for you to intentionally scheduled yourself for replay. But even if you do, it must be with a new character.

This is incorrect. It's still what's in the campaign guide, but the replay rules were changed several months ago. There's a stickied thread at the top of the pathfinder general society list by Mark and Hyrum stating the latest replay rules, which is that you can replay with any faction you want to make a legal table but you won't receive any credit for the replay. You can play once and receive credit and GM once to receive credit, all else you do for the fun of it, no credit.

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teribithia9 wrote:
This is incorrect. It's still what's in the campaign guide, but the replay rules were changed several months ago. There's a stickied thread at the top of the pathfinder general society list by Mark and Hyrum stating the latest replay rules, which is that you can replay with any faction you want to make a legal table but you won't receive any credit for the replay. You can play once and receive credit and GM once to receive credit, all else you do for the fun of it, no credit.

I disagree. I see nothing in Hyrum's sticky thread that changes the Guide's requirement that when replaying, you are to do it with a different faction. Only that when you take player and GM credit, you can apply it to two different characters from the same faction. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe they need to clarify that issue. If I am wrong, and you are replaying a scenario, with the same character/faction, IMO, you should not participate in the faction mission. (1) Because you already know the "how" and the "when" to complete it, and (2) you don't get to earn the PA anyway, so why spoil it for the other players.

And even if replaying with the same faction is permitted, I do not see anything lifting the original ban on replaying with the same PC.

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TwilightKnight wrote:
teribithia9 wrote:
This is incorrect. It's still what's in the campaign guide, but the replay rules were changed several months ago. There's a stickied thread at the top of the pathfinder general society list by Mark and Hyrum stating the latest replay rules, which is that you can replay with any faction you want to make a legal table but you won't receive any credit for the replay. You can play once and receive credit and GM once to receive credit, all else you do for the fun of it, no credit.

I disagree. I see nothing in Hyrum's sticky thread that changes the Guide's requirement that when replaying, you are to do it with a different faction. Only that when you take player and GM credit, you can apply it to two different characters from the same faction. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe they need to clarify that issue. If I am wrong, and you are replaying a scenario, with the same character/faction, IMO, you should not participate in the faction mission. (1) Because you already know the "how" and the "when" to complete it, and (2) you don't get to earn the PA anyway, so why spoil it for the other players.

And even if replaying with the same faction is permitted, I do not see anything lifting the original ban on replaying with the same PC.

This was clarified back in December by Mark and Hyrum. You no longer have to worry about whether you are playing with a different faction or not, because you only receive credit for the game once.

Edit on myself. It was actually in October and in a thread called GM rewards and chronicle sheets. Here's the text of the post:

Mark Moreland (Developer), Fri, Oct 15, 2010, 12:44 AM Flag | List | Reply

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Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
Because under the old rules where you could get credit up to five times, once with each faction, that rule still applied to the credit gotten as a GM. So if they don't change the different faction requirement, you would still have to make sure that your two characters getting credit from a scenario are of different factions.

Mark's response:
I believe this restriction no longer applies. The reason for that was to make at least faction missions different for players going through scenarios another time. That no longer matters. We'll be sure the clarify this in the FAQ.

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TwilightKnight wrote:
And even if replaying with the same faction is permitted, I do not see anything lifting the original ban on replaying with the same PC.

That part has not changed, it still has to be 2 different characters, Faction no longer matters though.

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