Liberation Domain - Freedom's Call and Grappling


Rules Questions

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So at 8th level, a cleric with the Liberation Domain gains Freedom's Call.

Freedom’s Call wrote:

(Su): At 8th level, you can emit a 30-foot aura of freedom for a number of rounds per day equal to your cleric level. Allies within this aura are not affected by

the confused, grappled, frightened, panicked, paralyzed,
pinned, or shaken conditions. This aura only suppresses
these effects, and they return once a creature leaves the
aura or when the aura ends, if applicable. These rounds do
not need to be consecutive.

My question involves the suppression of the grapple condition. Can an ally in the aura initiate a grapple, succeed, and continue to maintain that grapple on a foe without himself being grappled?

Also what action does it require to emit and aura? Free? Standard? Move?

The Exchange

I did have another question about the Freedom Subdomain power from the APG, Liberty's Blessing.

Liberty’s Blessing wrote:

(Sp): You touch a willing creature as a

standard action, granting it a boon. A creature with this
boon can, as a swift action, make a saving throw against
a single spell or effect it is suffering from that grants a
save. The DC of the saving throw is equal to the original
DC of the spell or effect. If the saving throw is successful,
the effect ends. This boon lasts for 1 minute or until
successfully used to remove a spell or effect, whichever
duration is shorter. You can use this ability for a number
of times equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.

What exactly is an effect that grants a save? Does this mean curses and the like that you only get one save against, or things that give you saves every round, like poisons or glitterdusts?


Waffle_Neutral wrote:

I did have another question about the Freedom Subdomain power from the APG, Liberty's Blessing.

Liberty’s Blessing wrote:

(Sp): You touch a willing creature as a

standard action, granting it a boon. A creature with this
boon can, as a swift action, make a saving throw against
a single spell or effect it is suffering from that grants a
save. The DC of the saving throw is equal to the original
DC of the spell or effect. If the saving throw is successful,
the effect ends. This boon lasts for 1 minute or until
successfully used to remove a spell or effect, whichever
duration is shorter. You can use this ability for a number
of times equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.
What exactly is an effect that grants a save? Does this mean curses and the like that you only get one save against, or things that give you saves every round, like poisons or glitterdusts?

The willing creature can choose. Thus you get an earlier chance to shake off the hold person.


For the sake of sanity in finding any way that could possibly work i would say no.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
PRD, Grapple wrote:
If successful, both you and the target gain the grappled condition...Although both creatures have the grappled condition, you can, as the creature that initiated the grapple, release the grapple as a free action, removing the condition from both you and the target.

When starting a grapple, the character gains the grappled condition. I would say if the character is unable to gain the grappled condition, they are unable to start the grapple or maintain one.

Just be sure if your character wants to start a grapple that the cleric is popping this ability off.

Scarab Sages

Liquidsabre wrote:
PRD, Grapple wrote:
If successful, both you and the target gain the grappled condition...Although both creatures have the grappled condition, you can, as the creature that initiated the grapple, release the grapple as a free action, removing the condition from both you and the target.

When starting a grapple, the character gains the grappled condition. I would say if the character is unable to gain the grappled condition, they are unable to start the grapple or maintain one.

Just be sure if your character wants to start a grapple that the cleric is popping this ability off.

Well, according to the ability, they still gain the grappled condition. The effect, however, is suppressed.

The wording seems to imply that you can grapple without the negative effects. However, I think that playing that way would vastly enhance the power of this ability.

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